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IS it just me or does anyone else think that it really sucks that we dont get a coupe SI? How many members of this page agree that Honda screwed the US when they gave us not only a watered down engine, but that stupid minvan excuse for an SI?[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/IMG]

 
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i agree

 
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same here but i think they are realzing thier mistake just not sure how Honda plans to reconcile

 
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DONT BLAME HONDA

blame the emmesions laws and tree huggers and the myth that there is not a high demand for a REAL high performance civic ect ect

also people say that the best focus is better than the best civic but its also not in the same price class the rsx-s outclasses the focus svt in every way possible.

 
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why is there a si thread every other day?

 
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Honda made its new Si a Hatch in an attempt to establish the SI HISTORY... all other SI models in the US have been hatches other than 00-99. so its more of a marketing decsion. It helps develop a brand image. Alot of comapanies are bringing back the retro cues of older models....this SI was the same deal. I think honda was just trying to match the stock performance of the 6th gen SI..and nothing more...did it work.....eh..kinda..

 
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I agree with Mugenracerx
People got too fond of the 99-00 SI, which led to the downfall of the new hatchback which was suppose to bring back the older gen hatchback style.
what if the 99-00 Si's werent created, would we still be angry of honda making the HB SI?

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this has been beat to death! resurected and beat again

 
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i know but it's like a wound that don't have a chance to heal because we all know that are cars could have been the best looking and performance si if the coupe only had a chance here in the u.s.

 
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i like the si, but why spend the money for that when you can buy something more power for for slightly more? and the si is just no match for the competition.

about the hb si/ coupe si deal.. i think an intelligent entrupeure(sp?) would start swapping si engines into ex, and sell them as couple si [IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG]

 
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I think it has more to do with the car itself.

Honda didnt do its homework. They decided not to join the HP fray, and was still arrogant enough to keep its R spec variations off the american continents.
CTR would have blown away just about everything thrown at it, and we wouldnt be having this discussion about its ugliness and less than inspiring performance [for a car donning a Si badge].

 
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good idea

 
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they are not trying to keep the type-r off the states, it's the emission laws that's keeping the type-r from the states

 
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that's a Honda propaganda in its worst form. Honda makes enough small cars that are ULEV.

 
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from the last honda tuning mag, it's said that honda wants to keep the rsx-r in the same emission class as the type-s and the base model, but the type-r has the cat further down the pipe, causing it to not pass. they are supposly finding a way around it

 
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and we are talking about CTR, right, not ITR.

 
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i was in reply to "...was still arrogant enough to keep its R spec variations off the american continents."

 
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The Si Came in Dead last in The Best Performance car under $20,000 in SCC. The SRT-4 Came in first.

 
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pathetic....still dont like the SVT though

 
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I don't think the si is that bad. A bit fugly but not too much.

Yes, I agree. A coupe would have been the better choice. I bet they would have sold at sticker.

The current si just needs a few more hp.

 
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As long as the rsx keeps selling i dont think that honda cares. The rsx is still a honda. Its about the $$. They dont want to compete with themselves.

 
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I may be trading my LX for an SI over xmas break, the price dropped down to 15k in most places. From visiting the form at ephatch.com, it seems that the engine responds pretty well to mods as well. Plus, the design has grown on me.
Still, there is no excuse for the booger-green color Honda put on commercials.WTF?

 
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Emissions may be partially to blame for the more environmental friendly engine design. However, Honda shares the blame in designing the blandest looking little minivan. It is hideous and by no means sporty looking. No excuse could possibly be rendered for this design flaw by Honda. I think most members will overwhelmingly attest to Honda's blatant mishap. Honda... Let's get a "real" Si model and reinvent the high-perfromance coupe. My .02. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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Well... when a good thing works, why change it (from Coupe to HB)? Historicaly, the limited production time of the coupe was a success. Why not continue to capitalize on the consumers' continued demand for it? BTW, I do not totally hate a HB design... nor am I completely fond of it. I feel Honda poorly executed the design for a sporty, appealing HB.

 
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In my opinion, I think Honda shouldn't have had the Si hatch designed in the UK. European style is awesome on it's own. And Japanese style is aewsome on it's own. But combine the two the wrong way, and you end up with a bloated mini-van/hatch/snow-plow/frog lookin thingy. Oh well, live and learn. I'm interested to see what route Honda takes next. A modern CRX would be nice...especially in Si form . Until then, give me a chipped VW GTI 1.8T ANY DAY!!!

 
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I would love to see the Si Coupe return. I loved the look of them over the HB. I would also love to see a moderen version of the CRX brought back, but dont spare anything. Try and give up all this emissions junk and family car things, meet the standards and cater to the younger market. The rest of the automakers are now, and its not all about looks, its about performance as well.

With any luck, we will see something good in the next few years, my car we be paid off by then ........

 
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They wont make a SI in coupe form again. Theyre mass producing the EX civics and enough people are buying those to keep them on the market. Theyre never gonna ditch the hatch until people stop buying them. But theres too many hardcore SI fans who only like the hatch that are gonna keep on buyin em.

 
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to those that bash the new si....you obviously dont realize the whole picture. I had an 01 lx auto.....and now i have an 02 satin silver si hatch. This car runs like a bat out of hell. Sounds great with my injen cai and dc header. With either midpipe or catback exhaust i will be running close to 150 hp on just those three bolt ons. C'mon people, who believes all that SCC crap. 5 of the 8 were forced induction and one was a v6.....SVT fared well becuase of the better rims and tires...(aint gonna lie SVT will out handle me) but the potential for the new si is through the roof.

things i like about my car:

1. EPS. The electronic steering is the best system i've ever driven with. Every turn is tight at any speed. Driving any other car...(yes even a beloved 7th gen) feels very sloppy.

2. Um....look how straightforward a k20a2 swap is in this thing.

3. Have you seen one lowered? it takes that minivan appeal away very quickly.

Come income tax time, i will have my tein flex system with EDFC and it will outhandle an SVT focus. any car can be good in a certain category. so what if honda doesnt make a racer for the US 'right out of the box'? I love my car and when I get a new digicam this xmas, I'll post pics for you all.

 
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In my opion, the SI would sell better as a coupe. If Honda wants to bring back a HB then bring back a CRX. Id be happy with no coupe SI if there was a CRX SI, but Honda would still flub up the design. I have a feeling it would look alot like the current SI instead of the small low profile design that was and still is one of Hondas best. just my thoughts

 
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the si hatch isn't all bad. i think if honda gave it the front of the other 7gen civics, it would look much better.