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Old Nov 25, 2002
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03 dodge neon suxs

my brother flew into new orleans from miami last nigth for a business trip. he stayed at the house, so of course i drove the rental. it was red 2003 neon. oh my freakin god, it was peace of junk. we have absolutely nothing to worry about from this thing. the only thing that worked wat the E-brake. [IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG]

well, they suck

oh, it was not the new turbo one
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wonder how many members here will jump ship to the neon srt-4
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The neom may be faster but the civic will turm more heads when looks good. I just don't like the way the neon looks[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG]
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Thanks for the very informative review.
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I'll pass on a Neon
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Nothing worked except the E-brake...I find that hard to believe.
I'm beginning to realize that this site is either filled with high-school students, or older people with a serious maturity problem.

FYI for 03 they made a bunch of changes to the Neon to bring it's price down. I.E. Interior, seats namely, black door handles, black side moulding (only on base models, whereas 00-02 had nice seats/interior materials and color key'd handles and mouldings)

In fact, if you read the Car and Drive comparison of low priced sedans, you will see that they had major beefs with the 03 Neons cheapness inside, but the fact that it costs thousands less than the civic, protoge etc... made up for it, as well it should.

And you have to do quite a bit to an anemic "Civic" to make it "Turn Heads" I dunno, when I go to the mall, I'm more likely to spy a new M3, or C class, rather than start jizzing over the hundreds of Civic coupes in the parking lot.

The Civic is a clean, tasteful design, hardly a "head turner" (I have owned Civics, I know this)


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[hr]Nothing worked except the E-brake...I find that hard to believe.
I'm beginning to realize that this site is either filled with high-school students, or older people with a serious maturity problem.

FYI for 03 they made a bunch of changes to the Neon to bring it's price down. I.E. Interior, seats namely, black door handles, black side moulding (only on base models, whereas 00-02 had nice seats/interior materials and color key'd handles and mouldings)

In fact, if you read the Car and Drive comparison of low priced sedans, you will see that they had major beefs with the 03 Neons cheapness inside, but the fact that it costs thousands less than the civic, protoge etc... made up for it, as well it should.

And you have to do quite a bit to an anemic "Civic" to make it "Turn Heads" I dunno, when I go to the mall, I'm more likely to spy a new M3, or C class, rather than start jizzing over the hundreds of Civic coupes in the parking lot.

The Civic is a clean, tasteful design, hardly a "head turner" (I have owned Civics, I know this)[hr]

I agree w/ you about the maturity level of this forum also on the most part of plymouth's marketing pitch for the upcoming 03 neon/srt-4. Even though i own a honda i despise the fact its followers lack the knowledge of true automotive interest. With minimalists in mind plymouth managed to produce a well designed high performance car w/ no need for useless addons or ridiculous aesthetics. Im sorry guys, but the bridge btween the domestics and imports are almost closed its time to leave your ignorant comments to yourself.
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[hr]Originally posted by: screaminDOHC

The Civic is a clean, tasteful design, hardly a "head turner" (I have owned Civics, I know this)[hr]
true, it's as neutral as a car design can be.

bottom line is, neon or civic, these cars are designed with mass appeal on mind. Civic, it's got the corporate design cues of late Hondas [flat, simple lines].. neon too, with dodge trademark grille...

neither turn heads, but if you ask me which is more unremarkable, it's civic... uglier of the two, definitely neon/SRT [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
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Im sorry guys, but the bridge btween the domestics and imports are almost closed its time to leave your ignorant comments to yourself.[hr]
Maybe until 30K. Imports still own reliability. I laugh everytime I hear a car company advertise that they won an initial quality award. Unless you turnover cars every 2 years, that award means squat. Don't get me wrong it's been nice to watch domestic quality increase leaps and bounds thru the 90s, but they still a good amount of catching up to do.

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[hr]Originally posted by: BlackSI
wonder how many members here will jump ship to the neon srt-4[hr]
If so, I wonder how many will experience the nightmare from Hell with endless reliability problems and suffer permanenet psychological harm from driving a car with a fugly rear-end design. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG]
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SCREAMINDOHC: if you would have read what i typed, then you would have been able to respond better to what i said about the neon. i wasnt talking about change from one year to the other, or even price. you said that they tried to make it cheaper. well they did, it is a cheaper piece of crap than all the others, even the one u drive. and as far as looks, the civic has that won.

so next time, lets try not to be a dumb@$$ and jump into replying back to posts when you cant even read the thread right. oh, and as far as the maturity level goes, where do you get off saying that i am a high school student or an older person with a maturity problem, oh wait, that right, you are the one tryin to praise neons on a honda civic forum. well, why dont you come back when you get you a honda not its considerably cheaper component(neon)

when i said that nothing worked this is what i meant- absolutely no take off, motor made ugly noises at 2700 miles, poor brakin distance, poor handling, THE FREAKIN CAR SUCKED, SO GET OVER IT
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we have them at my work, i drive them everyday, and they do suck
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AWW CRUD

I had a big long post all ready, and the connecion got fubar'd and I lost it...

What I was saying was this;

As far as the rear end of the 03 Neon...I could say that the 7th gen coupe's rear looks quite similar to that of a focus sedan, but it's completley irrevelant. Styling is subjective, so it differs from person to person, and really doesnt say anything one way or another about the worth of a vehicle.

Reliability issues still remain to be seen, as the SRT-4 is almost entirely new (although the powerplant has been around since 98 in Mexico).

I know that I can objectively compare my 01 SE Neon to the 02 Civic LX Coupe we built here at work. I find the interior of my Neon much more pleasing to me. It seems more solidly built, although Honda's material selection is a bit better. There were a few annoying squeaks and rattles in the Civic that we could never pin down. Where as I have none of this in my Neon. Ergonomically speaking, the civic is more superior. I like the suspension on the Neon better. Handles better, steering is more responsive, brakes felt more firm, motor is MUCH more powerful, transmission shifts quickly and with gusto (although the 3 speed auto is tecnologiaclly primitive). The ride is more harsh in the Neon, which is to my liking, but not necessarilly the rest of the world.

Speaking from Personal experieince, my 99 EX threw a rod at 27,000 miles. I have put 45,000 miles on my 98 neon (currently has 69,000) with no problems except bad O2 sensors and routine maintinance, and 22,000 trouble free miles on the 01 Neon.

Just my observations though...
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[hr]Originally posted by: jwcardy
SCREAMINDOHC: well they did, it is a cheaper piece of crap than all the others, even the one u drive. and as far as looks, the civic has that won.

so next time, lets try not to be a dumb@$$ and jump into replying back to posts when you cant even read the thread right. oh, and as far as the maturity level goes, where do you get off saying that i am a high school student or an older person with a maturity problem, oh wait, that right, you are the one tryin to praise neons on a honda civic forum. well, why dont you come back when you get you a honda not its considerably cheaper component(neon)

when i said that nothing worked this is what i meant- absolutely no take off, motor made ugly noises at 2700 miles, poor brakin distance, poor handling, THE FREAKIN CAR SUCKED, SO GET OVER IT[hr]
Piece of crap..that's the mentality i'm speaking of. You are the type of person who gives 7thgencivic.com a bad name....

"honda not its considerably cheaper component(neon)"

Component?

Do you know what a Component is?

I assume you mean competitor....

I am not trying to praise Neons. There are things that I don't like about my Neon (either of them, more so the 98 than the 01) and I cited the outstanding features of the Honda.

My 98 is faster than a 7thgen civic period. I didn't bring that up till now.

I'm not a fan of MUSHY handling, cars with tires that are too small, a complete lack of torque, and power in general.

The 132HP Neon has the Civic owned in the power output department, plain and simple.

Car and Driver November 2002 (about the Neon SXT's engine) "and the engine's generous torque curve means you don't have to work the lever any more than you want to. "

Same article about the Civic's engine "Noisy, too. The engine, as well, is plenty loud in the high revs, and wind noise is apparent at speed. Moreover, path control on the freeway is nowhere near as sharp as Civics used to be."

All cars have good points and bad points....

now let's all just get along..
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listen, i have no problem gettin along. and i do not give this site a bad name, this thread is maybe the 5th one that i have started or even posted in outside of the SOUTH forum. so, i dont think that i give the site a bad name. you got me on the word COMPONENT, wrong choice of words.

when i started this thread, it was not to bash your 98 neon or any of the other previous neons. not even really to bash the one that i drove two nights ago. i was simply saying, that from driving my civic and the neon, that i dont think that there is any comparison. i dont know what model, or anything else about the neon, just that i was not impressed. i have seen some nice neons and fast one too, i just dont care for them. that is my opinion

i withdrawl any negative comments that i said, excuse: to freakin early in the morning when i read you post.
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[hr]Nothing worked except the E-brake...I find that hard to believe.
I'm beginning to realize that this site is either filled with high-school students, or older people with a serious maturity problem.

FYI for 03 they made a bunch of changes to the Neon to bring it's price down. I.E. Interior, seats namely, black door handles, black side moulding (only on base models, whereas 00-02 had nice seats/interior materials and color key'd handles and mouldings)

In fact, if you read the Car and Drive comparison of low priced sedans, you will see that they had major beefs with the 03 Neons cheapness inside, but the fact that it costs thousands less than the civic, protoge etc... made up for it, as well it should.

And you have to do quite a bit to an anemic "Civic" to make it "Turn Heads" I dunno, when I go to the mall, I'm more likely to spy a new M3, or C class, rather than start jizzing over the hundreds of Civic coupes in the parking lot.

The Civic is a clean, tasteful design, hardly a "head turner" (I have owned Civics, I know this)[hr]

I agree w/ you about the maturity level of this forum also on the most part of plymouth's marketing pitch for the upcoming 03 neon/srt-4. Even though i own a honda i despise the fact its followers lack the knowledge of true automotive interest. With minimalists in mind plymouth managed to produce a well designed high performance car w/ no need for useless addons or ridiculous aesthetics. Im sorry guys, but the bridge btween the domestics and imports are almost closed its time to leave your ignorant comments to yourself.[hr]

Isn't this a civic forum? Isn't the title of this thread "general auto ramblings?" Doesn't that mean to express your views and "ramble about automotives?" Obviously not everyone always agrees on everything. You don't have to agree, but why do you have to try and flame someone because they express a different view about something than you do, I think it is more of people who want to flame others who are the ones with the immaturity issues. Now don't start flaming me, I am just expressing my opinion on the matter, if you don't agree, you have the right to your own opinion.
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I guess if I wanted a fast car, I wouldnt of looked at either the Neon or Civic. Its obvious that there both made for economy except for perhaps the new Neon thats coming out. Instead what I looked for was reliability and re-sale value, which has always been regarded as being high for Honda vehicles from most people you talk to. If the Neon was held in the same regards as a Honda in these departments, I might of considered it an option if I could get past its looks and styling. FWIW
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Excuse me, but, am I the only person on this board that is always curious why there is a Neon owner on here anyway? I don't have a problem with you screaminDOHC, but please enlighten me on why you are not posting on a Neon board. If you are on a Honda board, except people to flame your Dodge. Did you have a civic before and sell it or something? If you joined and never even owned a 7thgen civic, I would question why you did in the first place.
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Yeah he use to own a Civic, then sold it I think.

Maybe I should trade my Civic in for a Neon... riiiioght!
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I think he is just expecting some level of tact and maturity. Everything that isn't a Honda doesn't suck BTW. You are comparing your opinion OF A RENTAL CAR!!! I have driven many different tyoes of rental cars all with low KM's, even Honda's and half of them are soooo beat to **** for abuse. You can not really think that a rental car can give an honest idea of a car?!
I would suspect that no one will reply now, just like on the SRT post.
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Understand that he wasn't saying "all dodge neons suck." He was saying the one that he drove sucked. He didn't like it, he expressed his views, end of story. Don't be pissed cuz he didn't like it, there may be people out there that have driven 7th gen civics that think they suck...so be it, they have the right to their opinions. Someone shouldn't be flamed for stating an opinion. It isn't fact the a civic is better that a neon or a neon is better than a civic. It depends on personal preferences and I think that is where the maturity comes into play, respecting someone else's opinion, not being immature and flaming them. And btw, I am not afraid to reply, I don't want to get into a flame match with anyone, but at least try and have some tolerability and respect for other people...after all, wouldn't you get upset if someone started flaming you if you disagreed with them?
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Okay...

First...I had a 99 EX (white coupe 5 speed) which was HEAVILY modified...here are pics:




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I have been involved with the sport compact sport for a long time. I started Metro Detroit (perhaps michigan's) largest SC club (www.redlinemotorsport.com) but quit the club after about 2 years because I moved. There are chapters in Toledo, Windsor, Detroit, San Jose, and Chicago....

NOW then, that being said,
I don't think I flamed anyone. I suggested that if you want to objectively review/compare a certain vehicle, that you should do it, like I said, objectively. Looks are a secondary issue, and, as I said earlier, differ from person to person (It's all personal taste).

And I stand by my statement that people LIKE you (not necessarilly you) give this site a bad rap. That happens when people shoot off their mouths, and let ignorant statements work their way thru their fingertips, into the post. Saying that "this car is CRAP, that car is CRAP" just doesn't sound mature to me. All I was trying to say was, if you didn't like it, then objectively compare it to another vehicle or something. "brakes are crap, steering is crap, looks like poo, etc..." doesnt suffice with me. Although it may with you.

Whatever, I didn't "flame" anyone for voicing their opinion, as everyone is entiteled to that. I mean, thats what I'm doing here.

And in response to "you drive a neon, go to a neon board"
I'm on all of the Neon boards, jbody.org, ephatch.com, clubsi.com, and 7thgencivic.com. I tend to look at it from more of the enthusiast point of view, rather than brand humping, which all to many people do today. I.E. you drive a ___ ____ why are you on a ___ ___ board. I know that I"m going to encounter many immature Honda ****'s here, and that's just fine, I was like that at one point in my life. Then a strange thing happened, I took my blinders off, and learned to appreciate every car out there. Just because it's a dodge, or a honda doesnt mean that it's crap necessarilly. I still miss the interior of my civic. I miss lots of things about that car. I also HATED certian things about it (namely the LACK of power and torque) There are certain aspects of my neon that I absolutley love. I love the way the car is ballanced, I love it's light weight, it's inexpensive purchase price, torquey 2.0l, 7600rpm rev limit (thanks to the Mopar Computer). I also HATE things about it; $hitty resale value, questionable build quality, cheap interior material choices. (this is the 98 Neon I'm talking about) But I made compromises, because I wanted performance over interior quality.

Anyway, we are packing the 01 Neon with stuff, and 2 dogs, and driving from Atlanta, to Grand Rapids Michigan, from Grand Rapids to Detroit, then Detroit back to Atlanta. This will be a nice test of the Neon (It survived the drive when we moved from Chicago to Atlanta) *crossing fingers*...

Hope that sums things up a little...

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I had a 95 Neon....Bought it brand new....Thought it would be a good car for $12,000 out the door. Boy was I wrong....The car was at the dealership being fixed more than I drove it. I ended up keeping the car for a year, selling it.....and when I sold it after a year i only got around $7500 for it.....Damn I lost so much money on that car. I then got my 5th gen civic.....I was involved in an accident where I was rearended and went under the car in front of me....I had to rent a car. So I rented a 2000 Dodge Neon. The car had less than 5k miles on it....It looked like it was built better than my 95 neon, it was more comfortable.....but it ran like garbage, it kept stalling out, the brakes squealled. I was not happy.....I ended up returning it, and getting a huyndai Sonata V6.....
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Obvious case in point : RENTAL CAR....

Have you seen Jackass yet? lol....good example of rental car destroying....

I wouldnt buy a 95 Neon myself...because of it being the first year...mine is pretty good...only took 4 years to work out the bugs...hah...I think 98 was the year for the good head gaskets...
I bought mine for 7300 (more if you figure interest into it all) and I could probobly sell it for 4k now....98 DOHC 5 speed, Sport (pwr locks, windows, mirrors, sunroof) with 68,000 miles....

Neon resale value bites the big one. I'll just keep this car forever...and when the 2.0L kicks the bucket, i'll just drop in a 2.4 liter...muhaha..
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Yeah, I honestly don't have an educated opinion formed on the Neons. I don't think other cars are crap unless I have a basis of my own to judge. I've never driven a Neon, but I have heard alot of bad things about them, and I personally don't care for the car's appearance. I wasn't too concerned about power when I got my 7th gen, I don't think anything under 200 hp is going to be relatively fast anyways. I got it for the reliability, the price tag, looks and fuel economy. I think the body style of the coupe is awesome, and very easy to customize and make look even better. If I wanted a fast car, I would have gotten something with a much bigger more expendable engine that I could actually add performance parts to, not gotten a civic. As far as the driving a neon going to a neon board, I said that this is a civic board. I welcome anyone with any car here, it doens't matter to me, but if someone has a bad experience with the same kind of car you drive, don't get pissed b/c they say they don't like it, you don't have to post replies about it, IMO. BTW, your old civic looks good, why'd you get rid of it?
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because I wanted a fast car...

Paid 1600 cash for a 91 Dodge Shadow Turbo 2.5 5 speed
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Old Nov 27, 2002
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My cousin had one of the very first Neons built and he had nothing but problems with it....I bought mine at the end of 95 and Supposedly Plymouth had worked the bugs out of the car, well guess what..........They didnt. I have known a few people that had Neons, and they werent only the early years....some were late 90's...and they had problems too. I have had my share of problems with all american cars, I have had Plymouths, Buicks, and fords and all of them could not compare to my civic, my last civic, my crx si, or my 1983 honda accord. The honda is a more reliable car and way better built..
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Old Nov 27, 2002
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2nd gen started in 2000, read up....very good car.
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Old Nov 28, 2002
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i am sorry for starting this thread. i love you guys no matter what you drive
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