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Ford Focus SVT has cruise control problem
DETROIT -- Ford Motor Co. has sent its U.S. dealers a notice to stop delivery of Focus SVT cars because of a problem with the cruise control cable, a spokesman for the automaker said Monday.
The "stop sale'' order involves 569 cars that have been delivered to customers, Ford spokesman Todd Nissen said.
The cruise control cable could become caught on part of the throttle body assembly resulting in the throttle becoming stuck in the open position, Nissen said.
The problem was discovered during an internal quality audit at the Hermosillo, Mexico, assembly plant where the cars are built, Nissen said.
No accidents or injuries have been reported as a result of the problem, he said.
Delivery of cars to dealers is being delayed a few weeks while the problem is being fixed at the plant. Most of the vehicles affected were built from early March to early April.
Ford Canada said only 12 of the Focus SVTs will need to be serviced in this country, but spokesman John Arnone said its preliminary investigation into the matter suggests those vehicles haven't even arrived at dealerships yet.
"The plan is to get to them well before they arrive in showrooms and well before customers receive delivery,'' he said.
Ford has suffered through several rocky launches in the last few years and its rating has stagnated in industry quality studies. The company has made quality improvement a priority as part of the restructuring plan it announced in January.
"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said.
Ford Focus SVT has cruise control problem
DETROIT -- Ford Motor Co. has sent its U.S. dealers a notice to stop delivery of Focus SVT cars because of a problem with the cruise control cable, a spokesman for the automaker said Monday.
The "stop sale'' order involves 569 cars that have been delivered to customers, Ford spokesman Todd Nissen said.
The cruise control cable could become caught on part of the throttle body assembly resulting in the throttle becoming stuck in the open position, Nissen said.
The problem was discovered during an internal quality audit at the Hermosillo, Mexico, assembly plant where the cars are built, Nissen said.
No accidents or injuries have been reported as a result of the problem, he said.
Delivery of cars to dealers is being delayed a few weeks while the problem is being fixed at the plant. Most of the vehicles affected were built from early March to early April.
Ford Canada said only 12 of the Focus SVTs will need to be serviced in this country, but spokesman John Arnone said its preliminary investigation into the matter suggests those vehicles haven't even arrived at dealerships yet.
"The plan is to get to them well before they arrive in showrooms and well before customers receive delivery,'' he said.
Ford has suffered through several rocky launches in the last few years and its rating has stagnated in industry quality studies. The company has made quality improvement a priority as part of the restructuring plan it announced in January.
"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said.
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Wow. Here's a surprise. The reason they're having a problem is because the cars are built in Mexico! I'm not knockin' the Mexcans or anything, but labor is cheaper down there and sometimes they can care less if they do things half-assed.
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Rep Power: 0 That's the same as saying Domestic cars and their quality sucks cuz American's that work at the Honda Factory Plants are half assed also. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/IMG]
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[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
If they take it seriuosly, how did 500+ cars get sent to customers???......[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG].........
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[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
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Wow. Here's a surprise. The reason they're having a problem is because the cars are built in Mexico! I'm not knockin' the Mexcans or anything, but labor is cheaper down there and sometimes they can care less if they do things half-assed.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: taz757
Wow. Here's a surprise. The reason they're having a problem is because the cars are built in Mexico! I'm not knockin' the Mexcans or anything, but labor is cheaper down there and sometimes they can care less if they do things half-assed.[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: taz757
Wow. Here's a surprise. The reason they're having a problem is because the cars are built in Mexico! I'm not knockin' the Mexcans or anything, but labor is cheaper down there and sometimes they can care less if they do things half-assed.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: taz757
Wow. Here's a surprise. The reason they're having a problem is because the cars are built in Mexico! I'm not knockin' the Mexcans or anything, but labor is cheaper down there and sometimes they can care less if they do things half-assed.[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: cosmicjim
did the focus come in SVT coupe? cause my friends neighbour has one ... but I can't seem to find it anywhere.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: cosmicjim
did the focus come in SVT coupe? cause my friends neighbour has one ... but I can't seem to find it anywhere.[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 The Focus in general has alot of problems, I don't personally think it's just a matter of Mexican production. Rather a combo of design, labor, and any other things. Speaking of Mexican assembly points, alot has been made of the Jetta/Golf being assembled in Mexico and the small problems it has such as noises, and electrical problems, etc. I know Jetta owners have blamed this on the fact it's produced in Mexico. Don't flame, I'm just repeating what others have said.
Also, as some of you may have seen, the Mexican built PT Cruiser is being recalled. Then again, most Chrysler brands seem kinda weak, US built or Mexican. My former Neon had problems and it was built in the US. I just think the standards just aren't set as high in some cases by domestic manufatures such as Ford, Chrysler.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/IMG]
Also, as some of you may have seen, the Mexican built PT Cruiser is being recalled. Then again, most Chrysler brands seem kinda weak, US built or Mexican. My former Neon had problems and it was built in the US. I just think the standards just aren't set as high in some cases by domestic manufatures such as Ford, Chrysler.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/IMG]
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[hr]Originally posted by: trevor
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If they take it seriuosly, how did 500+ cars get sent to customers???......[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG].........
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[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
If they take it seriuosly, how did 500+ cars get sent to customers???......[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG].........
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Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. DURING THE ASSEMBLY PROCESS, THE AIR CLEANER BOX COVER MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED, AND A BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE COULD TRAVEL INTO THE INTAKE CHAMBER.
Consequence Summary:
IF THE PLASTIC PIECE LODGES IN THE THROTTLE BODY, THE THROTTLE COULD STICK IN A PARTIALLY OPEN POSITION. ALTHOUGH THE DRIVER CAN ALWAYS STOP THE CAR BY APPLYING ADDITIONAL BRAKE FORCE, OR BY TAKING OTHER ACTIONS (I.E., SHIFT INTO NEUTRAL, TURN OFF THE IGNITION KEY, ETC.), IF THE CAR CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN SPEED WHEN THE DRIVER IS EXPECTING IT TO SLOW, A CRASH COULD OCCUR.
Corrective Summary:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE AIR CLEANER BOX FOR DAMAGE. IF DAMAGE IS FOUND, THE DEALER WILL LOCATE AND REMOVE THE BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE, AND REPLACE THE AIR CLEANER BOX LID. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN ON OCTOBER 25, 2001. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Well, Honda seems to have done the same thing. Same result, stuck open throttle...or worse, plastic ingested into the engine! Let's not make this another Ford sucks thread. At least Ford stopped selling the car and is fixing the problem rather than waiting to issue a recall later.
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[hr]Originally posted by: PESTLNC
Year: 2002 Make: HONDA Model: CIVIC Recall Date: 10/31/2001
Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. DURING THE ASSEMBLY PROCESS, THE AIR CLEANER BOX COVER MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED, AND A BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE COULD TRAVEL INTO THE INTAKE CHAMBER.
Consequence Summary:
IF THE PLASTIC PIECE LODGES IN THE THROTTLE BODY, THE THROTTLE COULD STICK IN A PARTIALLY OPEN POSITION. ALTHOUGH THE DRIVER CAN ALWAYS STOP THE CAR BY APPLYING ADDITIONAL BRAKE FORCE, OR BY TAKING OTHER ACTIONS (I.E., SHIFT INTO NEUTRAL, TURN OFF THE IGNITION KEY, ETC.), IF THE CAR CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN SPEED WHEN THE DRIVER IS EXPECTING IT TO SLOW, A CRASH COULD OCCUR.
Corrective Summary:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE AIR CLEANER BOX FOR DAMAGE. IF DAMAGE IS FOUND, THE DEALER WILL LOCATE AND REMOVE THE BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE, AND REPLACE THE AIR CLEANER BOX LID. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN ON OCTOBER 25, 2001. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Well, Honda seems to have done the same thing. Same result, stuck open throttle...or worse, plastic ingested into the engine! Let's not make this another Ford sucks thread. At least Ford stopped selling the car and is fixing the problem rather than waiting to issue a recall later.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: PESTLNC
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[hr]Originally posted by: trevor
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If they take it seriuosly, how did 500+ cars get sent to customers???......[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG].........
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[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
If they take it seriuosly, how did 500+ cars get sent to customers???......[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG].........
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Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. DURING THE ASSEMBLY PROCESS, THE AIR CLEANER BOX COVER MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED, AND A BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE COULD TRAVEL INTO THE INTAKE CHAMBER.
Consequence Summary:
IF THE PLASTIC PIECE LODGES IN THE THROTTLE BODY, THE THROTTLE COULD STICK IN A PARTIALLY OPEN POSITION. ALTHOUGH THE DRIVER CAN ALWAYS STOP THE CAR BY APPLYING ADDITIONAL BRAKE FORCE, OR BY TAKING OTHER ACTIONS (I.E., SHIFT INTO NEUTRAL, TURN OFF THE IGNITION KEY, ETC.), IF THE CAR CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN SPEED WHEN THE DRIVER IS EXPECTING IT TO SLOW, A CRASH COULD OCCUR.
Corrective Summary:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE AIR CLEANER BOX FOR DAMAGE. IF DAMAGE IS FOUND, THE DEALER WILL LOCATE AND REMOVE THE BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE, AND REPLACE THE AIR CLEANER BOX LID. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN ON OCTOBER 25, 2001. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Well, Honda seems to have done the same thing. Same result, stuck open throttle...or worse, plastic ingested into the engine! Let's not make this another Ford sucks thread. At least Ford stopped selling the car and is fixing the problem rather than waiting to issue a recall later.[hr]
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Rep Power: 0 American cars get ALL the publicity when it comes to recalls. Why? I have no fuggin clue. I guess cuz they're American... then we see the commercials as if they're worth something. 
Oh yeah, the Chrysler PT Cruiser just got axed I heard... because all of them have a serious transmission problem. Ah yes... American made cars.
Oh yeah, the Chrysler PT Cruiser just got axed I heard... because all of them have a serious transmission problem. Ah yes... American made cars. 
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[hr]Originally posted by: Zenogias
i agree, at least they were smart enough to discovery the mistake before it got into anyone's hand, how's not taking it seriously now?[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: PESTLNC
Year: 2002 Make: HONDA Model: CIVIC Recall Date: 10/31/2001
Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. DURING THE ASSEMBLY PROCESS, THE AIR CLEANER BOX COVER MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED, AND A BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE COULD TRAVEL INTO THE INTAKE CHAMBER.
Consequence Summary:
IF THE PLASTIC PIECE LODGES IN THE THROTTLE BODY, THE THROTTLE COULD STICK IN A PARTIALLY OPEN POSITION. ALTHOUGH THE DRIVER CAN ALWAYS STOP THE CAR BY APPLYING ADDITIONAL BRAKE FORCE, OR BY TAKING OTHER ACTIONS (I.E., SHIFT INTO NEUTRAL, TURN OFF THE IGNITION KEY, ETC.), IF THE CAR CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN SPEED WHEN THE DRIVER IS EXPECTING IT TO SLOW, A CRASH COULD OCCUR.
Corrective Summary:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE AIR CLEANER BOX FOR DAMAGE. IF DAMAGE IS FOUND, THE DEALER WILL LOCATE AND REMOVE THE BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE, AND REPLACE THE AIR CLEANER BOX LID. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN ON OCTOBER 25, 2001. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Well, Honda seems to have done the same thing. Same result, stuck open throttle...or worse, plastic ingested into the engine! Let's not make this another Ford sucks thread. At least Ford stopped selling the car and is fixing the problem rather than waiting to issue a recall later.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: PESTLNC
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[hr]Originally posted by: trevor
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If they take it seriuosly, how did 500+ cars get sent to customers???......[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG].........
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[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
[hr]"We take quality seriously. That's why we do these quality audits at plants to try to avoid these things,'' Nissen said. [hr]
If they take it seriuosly, how did 500+ cars get sent to customers???......[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG].........
[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG][hr]
Defect Summary:
VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES. DURING THE ASSEMBLY PROCESS, THE AIR CLEANER BOX COVER MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED, AND A BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE COULD TRAVEL INTO THE INTAKE CHAMBER.
Consequence Summary:
IF THE PLASTIC PIECE LODGES IN THE THROTTLE BODY, THE THROTTLE COULD STICK IN A PARTIALLY OPEN POSITION. ALTHOUGH THE DRIVER CAN ALWAYS STOP THE CAR BY APPLYING ADDITIONAL BRAKE FORCE, OR BY TAKING OTHER ACTIONS (I.E., SHIFT INTO NEUTRAL, TURN OFF THE IGNITION KEY, ETC.), IF THE CAR CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN SPEED WHEN THE DRIVER IS EXPECTING IT TO SLOW, A CRASH COULD OCCUR.
Corrective Summary:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE AIR CLEANER BOX FOR DAMAGE. IF DAMAGE IS FOUND, THE DEALER WILL LOCATE AND REMOVE THE BROKEN PLASTIC PIECE, AND REPLACE THE AIR CLEANER BOX LID. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN ON OCTOBER 25, 2001. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.
Well, Honda seems to have done the same thing. Same result, stuck open throttle...or worse, plastic ingested into the engine! Let's not make this another Ford sucks thread. At least Ford stopped selling the car and is fixing the problem rather than waiting to issue a recall later.[hr]
HONDA - during the assembly process...
FORD - after the assembly process...the problem lies in the design, not something breaking while being put together.
Great quality - funny thing is? I own a Ford Contour.
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Rep Power: 0 Actually, the Civic's were already in customer's hands when the problem was discovered. Even if they sold only 1mo. worth of cars before finding the problem...how many Civics sell in a single month?! My local dealer moves Civics out the door like they were made of gold or something...
edit: looking back, the recall date is 10/31/2001 alot of Civic's must have been sold between their introduction in 2000 and October of the next year!
edit: looking back, the recall date is 10/31/2001 alot of Civic's must have been sold between their introduction in 2000 and October of the next year!
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[hr]Originally posted by: SoNiCcIvIc
American cars get ALL the publicity when it comes to recalls. Why? I have no fuggin clue. I guess cuz they're American... then we see the commercials as if they're worth something. Oh yeah, the Chrysler PT Cruiser just got axed I heard... because all of them have a serious transmission problem. Ah yes... American made cars.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: SoNiCcIvIc
American cars get ALL the publicity when it comes to recalls. Why? I have no fuggin clue. I guess cuz they're American... then we see the commercials as if they're worth something.
Oh yeah, the Chrysler PT Cruiser just got axed I heard... because all of them have a serious transmission problem. Ah yes... American made cars.[hr]
I'd never buy a Chrysler anyway...
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Rep Power: 349 Well, sorry to bust your bubble but, domestics do suck. Pick any car class and compare a domestic and an import. The import will always be a little more expensive but, you will get the rewards over time. The imports will always outlast the domestics and have far less problems. face it, domestics suck big time!
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[hr]Originally posted by: silverdevil
Well, sorry to bust your bubble but, domestics do suck. Pick any car class and compare a domestic and an import. The import will always be a little more expensive but, you will get the rewards over time. The imports will always outlast the domestics and have far less problems. face it, domestics suck big time![hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: silverdevil
Well, sorry to bust your bubble but, domestics do suck. Pick any car class and compare a domestic and an import. The import will always be a little more expensive but, you will get the rewards over time. The imports will always outlast the domestics and have far less problems. face it, domestics suck big time![hr]
Regarding the Ford Fackus: This is just another in a nice line of serious design flaws, such as collapsing front suspension and spontaneous engine fires. Hooray for Ford! [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG]
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Well, sorry to bust your bubble but, domestics do suck. Pick any car class and compare a domestic and an import. The import will always be a little more expensive but, you will get the rewards over time. The imports will always outlast the domestics and have far less problems. face it, domestics suck big time![hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: silverdevil
Well, sorry to bust your bubble but, domestics do suck. Pick any car class and compare a domestic and an import. The import will always be a little more expensive but, you will get the rewards over time. The imports will always outlast the domestics and have far less problems. face it, domestics suck big time![hr]
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Rep Power: 307 You brought up an excellent point, PESTLNC.
Some merit has to be given to the big 3 for the vehicles they continue to produce that fit a need, and that the imports simply cannot either duplicate or improve upon. And to prevent any flames for that, I must say their more common reason is they don't see enough money in the competition of that product to even attempt. (With the possible exception of the Toyota Tundra and Sequoia)
Find me a Japanese import that will do the same thing as a Suburban. 3/4 ton 4wd SUV with Sheetloads of cargo space, thousands upon thousands of pounds of towing capabilities (properly-equipped, of course), and an equally-capable lineup of variants based on the same platform.
While we're at it, take the Jeep Wrangler. Other than the OLDER Land Cruisers and Suzuki Sams and Sidekicks. . . is there any import that will do the same things and has the same heritage? Nope. I was never a huge fan of the Wranglers, myself. A lot of work to keep up, not the most reliable "cars" on the road. But you learn more about a vehicle like that (or any particular vehicle for that matter) and you will find a certain level of respect for its place among all the competitors. I'm buying a Wrangler next spring so I can do some serious trail riding.
Now I know there will be those who will disagree, and that's fine. But I think one thing we can all agree on is that most vehicles serve a purpose in their own way. . .and that also includes our domestic friends at the big 3.
Some merit has to be given to the big 3 for the vehicles they continue to produce that fit a need, and that the imports simply cannot either duplicate or improve upon. And to prevent any flames for that, I must say their more common reason is they don't see enough money in the competition of that product to even attempt. (With the possible exception of the Toyota Tundra and Sequoia)
Find me a Japanese import that will do the same thing as a Suburban. 3/4 ton 4wd SUV with Sheetloads of cargo space, thousands upon thousands of pounds of towing capabilities (properly-equipped, of course), and an equally-capable lineup of variants based on the same platform.
While we're at it, take the Jeep Wrangler. Other than the OLDER Land Cruisers and Suzuki Sams and Sidekicks. . . is there any import that will do the same things and has the same heritage? Nope. I was never a huge fan of the Wranglers, myself. A lot of work to keep up, not the most reliable "cars" on the road. But you learn more about a vehicle like that (or any particular vehicle for that matter) and you will find a certain level of respect for its place among all the competitors. I'm buying a Wrangler next spring so I can do some serious trail riding.
Now I know there will be those who will disagree, and that's fine. But I think one thing we can all agree on is that most vehicles serve a purpose in their own way. . .and that also includes our domestic friends at the big 3.
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