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[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/IMG]I got a speeding ticket on the way to work today....the cop pulls me over and says..."Nice car...looks fast....Dosen't mean that you can drive fast." What a buttmunch!!!! Now I have to dish out 142$...[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/IMG]

 
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how fast were you going?

 
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52 in a 45!!!! I think he was just picking on me
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That's really crappy for only 7MPH over the limit.... [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/IMG]

Do you know how many points (if any) are involved? That's the wrost part... insurance!

 
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I have no idea...fortunately that is the first one I have gotten in like six years. I guess I will just have to pay and deal with it.

 
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Well **** happens......If you drove 7mph over the speed limit here, you'd be the slowest thing on the road.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]

 
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Hey,

I think alot has to be taking into justification in getting a speeding ticket.

Like it was a 45 mph zone, but how fast were other cars going? Weather conditions? Were you passing another vehicle, things like this needs to be considered.

I was going 48 mph when I got my speeding ticket, it was a 45 mph zone, but the cop was lurking and I passed another vehicle that was going 40 mph. My conclussion and discussion with the officer was he had to meet quota and knew I couldn't challenge this because techincally I was speeding, and making an agressive move (passing) whatever that means.

Ray

 
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goto the court office and request copies of the cop's training certificate on the radar gun and the radar guns calabration certificate. If either one is out of date then you get out of the ticket. I got out of one of mine that way.

 
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Quota? wtf is that? That's lame.

So even if 100% of the population drives at the speed limit they still need to issue tickets? That's the lamest thing i've heard.

Here's a question for QuickSilver.. let's say i'm going (km/h) 70 in a 55 zone and i pass a cop who thinks i'm driving faster than the speed limit, pulls a U-turn while in the meantime me, being very cautious notice the copy doig the U-turn gear down to slow to the speed limit not using my brakes and he pulls me over for speeding and makes up a reading.. can he do that? Do cops actually need a radar reading on you before they can pull you over for speeding? (unless it's like 110 MPH *cough)

 
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Personally, when I do radar, I give a 20 MPH leeway. So, in a 45 (which happens to be the speed limit on one major roadway I work on where everyone speeds) I won't really think about coming out of my hiding place unless the person is doing at least 65. I really think it's absurd that a law enforcement officer would stop and summons another vehicle that is going *7* miles per hour over the posted speed limit. At the county traffic court to which my speeding summonses are returnable, they will usually toss anything that is not at least 12 mph over simply because the court system is too backlogged and does not have time to deal with tickets such as those.

As far as my training certificate, I am trained in both RADAR and LIDAR (laser gun) and have little credit card sized certificates to show that I am trained in their use.

Noodleboy, here in NY and I assume most other states, the speeding statute does allow police officers to write summonses based on observation. To use your example, if I were to be traveling northbound and a car came flying past me in the southbound lane, I could do a U turn and summons the driver for "speed not prudent based on observation." There is no X in an Y zone because I couldn't have possibly been able to charge a precise speed w/o a measuring device.

 
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I'm almost positive that a police officer cannot issue a speeding ticket if he doesn't have a reading. Unless, it is in a school zone, where he can visually determine that you aren't doing a limit of 15 M.P.H. If its on a highway, you can ask the officer to show you the radar reading. If he doesn't have one, he can't issue a ticket.

 
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Yoooo..

if a typical civilian like me was to go to court for one of these similar violations.. How would one go about requesting those thing that might help get these citations eradicated? I need some tickets slayed faithfully, anyone wanna help?!

ps- Thanks in advance.

 
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Alright quick I got a question for you is there anything I can do I got pulled over for "not completely stopping at a stop sign". Mind you it was not a stop sign. I didn't come to a complete stop at a yield sign. The ticket was dismissed due to mistake of facts BUT, I am little bitter about it I got pulled over for not doing anything wrong. The ticket was dismissed and I never recieved anything from the DMV so I called them and they told me I still had to appear anyhow so I get up there and I find out I didn't even need to be there. I had to take time off of work for this ****. Any suggestions???

 
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SilverCivic, while what you said may be true for other states, in my state, I am allowed to issue speeding tickets based on my observation as there is a specific statute that has "speeding by observation." As far as letting someone see my radar device in my car, that is out of the question. There is no law that requires me to show anyone anything in my car, and I (as well as most other officers) refuse to for safety issues. I am not going to let someone get out of their car, walk onto a highway, and walk with me back to the police car. I do not permit anyone to get out of the car during a traffic stop unless I am arresting, or investigating a crime (DWI, etc). However, I have heard of showing someone the radar reading, and not being allowed to issue with out a reading, but it's not done in New York.

Black, what do you want to request? RADAR certifications?

2cute, it was probably a clerical mistake. DMV, police departmens, courts are run by people, and people make mistakes. From what you said, it appears as if the officer accidently wrote you for not stopping at a stop sign when it should have been failing to yield. If you are *THAT* bitter, you can probably write complaint letters.

 
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I read somewhere that the radar guns have a +-7 mph margine of error. Is that true? QCKSILVR?

-Kre

 
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no, they're calibrated regulary.

 
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Fight it man!!!

 
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i got pulled over for doin 47 in a 45

trust me when i say i FEEL ur pain

PeArLhOndA

 
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No radar units that I know of have a +/- range of 7 MPH. If that were the case, no one would use them because it would mean the difference between fines, points, etc. I would say it's more like +/- 2 MPH and that would be a poorly calibrated unit. Depending on what car I take out, I have a front and rear antenna setup mounted on the left rear window on my unmarked car, and on the slicktop car a front and rear antenna mounted on the dask and deck. I also carry a small handheld laser unit if I want to go out of my car, or park sideways on a road...I have found all of these devices to be very reliable in determining a car's speed. The radar guns must be calibrated with a tuning fork every day. All officers are trained in this. Laser, however, is a much newer and more expensive technology and does not require any type of frequent calibrating.

If anyone does feel they were issued a ticket unjustly, remember that it is your right to request that the state prove you were in fact doing what you were charged. Do not plead guilty if you are not. Writing a ticket for 47 in a 45 is completely ridiculous in my opinion.

 
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I can confirm what QCKSILVER said for FL as well. For cops to be rader/laser certified in the state of Florida there are 3 areas in dealilng with radar that they have to be able to pass.
1. They have to be able to viusally tell how fast a car is going within a few mph
2. They have to be able to identify the speed within a few MPH based on the tone giving off by the radar gun
3. They have to to able to single you out with the radar gun from other cars on the highway.

Basically in FL yes a cop can issue you a ticket purely based on observation. However, they cannot issue your ticket for a specific speed. I.E. they can't give you a ticket for 60mph in a posted 45mph, but they can issue you a ticket for excessive speed. A lot of people assume that the cop has to show you their radar gun and show you the speed that he clocked you at. Do not make that assumption, it is not true. Most radar guns are momentary, they only show the speed while it is pointed at you and clocking you. Most guns do not store your speed. However, most laser guns are a little different. All the laser guns I have seen will temporarily store information such as your speed and the distance from you when they clocked you. However, at least in FL, they do not have to show you their radar gun. 52mph in a 45mph does seem kind of insane. Sometimes they will get a lot of complaints in an area or are just trying to reduce overall speeding in an area and you are just one of the unlucky ones. A judge just might dismiss that though. But the law is the law. 45MPH is the maximum speed allowed and some judges will see it that way if you catch them on a bad day. In Florida I don't know of any city/county department that has a quota. I thought that was a thing of the past because they start looking a minor infractions to issue tickets.

In Florida the radar guns must also be tested with a tunning fork before every shift. If the gun is off by even 1mph it cannot get used. There is a daily log kept and in the event that a ticket is contested that log is used for proof of calibration.

One more edit: A radar gun will sometimes show a false speed, but it will be in the drivers favor. A radar gun is designed to be used in a head-on manner. The more of an angle the cop is using it the lower of a speed that the radar gun will show. A head-on shot is always going to be the most accurate and less to your advantage.

 
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i guess the cops are cool here then, long as i am only 10 over, they don't care i drove pass, and with a few cops before, going 50 downa 40[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] they didn't do anything, they just look at me and i wave[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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Voiceofid: That's probably not a real good idea to pass a cop while speeding. Yes, generally most cops will give you at least a 10mph leeway (they would write tickets all day long if they didn't) but passing a cop while speeding is kind of disrepectful to them. There could be a number of reasons why he didn't pull you over, he could have been on his way home and didn't feel like dealing with it, he could have been on his way to a call, or its possible that he wasn't even on duty. He could have been on his way to/from training etc.. I just wouldn't make a habbit of passing cops while speeding, it will eventually bite you in the [IMG]i/expressions/moon.gif[/IMG]

 
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Man I cant wait till May when I go to Radar school.... this pacing crap gets old.... and to comment on 2cute.... let me get this straight.... you would like to complain because you were not issued the correct citation.... thats comedy

 
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<< Voiceofid: That's probably not a real good idea to pass a cop while speeding. Yes, generally most cops will give you at least a 10mph leeway (they would write tickets all day long if they didn't) but passing a cop while speeding is kind of disrepectful to them. There could be a number of reasons why he didn't pull you over, he could have been on his way home and didn't feel like dealing with it, he could have been on his way to a call, or its possible that he wasn't even on duty. He could have been on his way to/from training etc.. I just wouldn't make a habbit of passing cops while speeding, it will eventually bite you in the [IMG]i/expressions/moon.gif[/IMG] >>



ofcourse not, it just happens that it happened to me a few times[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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I know what you mean, I passed a cop one day and didn't realize it until I was right next to him. He didn't have a light bar, his lights where in his back window and on his front windshield and grill. I just kind of slowed down a continued to pass him, just not as fast. It was kind of late to drop down to the speed limit.

 
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i gotta say, thats some pretty sheisty luck being issued a ticket for going 7mph over the limit. but like someone else mentioned you have to take into account the road conditions and how fast other cars were going. and as far as quotas go, to my knowledge they dont' exist and are illegal i believe, atl east here in california

 
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Quotas are generally illegal anywhere, but nothing stops my Sergeants and Lieutenants from telling me to get my numbers up.

 
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<< I know what you mean, I passed a cop one day and didn't realize it until I was right next to him. He didn't have a light bar, his lights where in his back window and on his front windshield and grill. I just kind of slowed down a continued to pass him, just not as fast. It was kind of late to drop down to the speed limit. >>



I drive one of these a few times I week...you can creep right up on someone and then hit the lights!

 
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I will say it again...I love having cops on this board, especially cool ones like QCKSILVR. It gives you a different perspective on things. If I see a cop that is going like 10 over I will usually speed up a little, but not enough to pass him just to be safe. but also if I see a cop going like 5 under or the speed limit, I have no problems passing them. I hate people that are afraid to go AT LEAST the speed limit when there is a cop ahead. one of my biggest pet peeves.

QCKSILVR: do you guys get a kick out of backing up traffic like that? hehe

 
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Uncle B: When a cop is usually just going a few over the speed limit that are just cruising like everyone else. But when you see them doing 10-15 over the speed limit they are often on calls and just trying to get there. A lot of people assume that cops have their lights on with every call. In reality it is usually only a small percentage of the time when they actually use their lights (+/- 10%). Lights often times cause more problems being on then if they are just left off. When a cop gets behind someobody with their lights on they generelly think "OH ____ (fill in the blank) why am I gettingpulled over". And not "I better get out of the way so he can pass". Also if a cop is trying to catch up with someone so that they can pull them over for a violation and they turn their lights on, that car ahead is going to see you and disappear. Police Departments get many complaints from citizens aboud cops just speeding around on the higways, what they don't know is that they are usually on a call. Just thought I'd share some info.

Kevin