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I keep seeing posts about how CAI are no good for Autos and
SRI are the only way to see gains. I thought I would be the first, or second, to say
that a CAI is better than a SRI for any car with any transmission. The Intake system and the transmission
are two totally opposite realms of your car. A CAI will always perform better because they are pulling colder air from
outside the engine bay. Why AEM didn't produce a CAI for the Autos, who knows, they claim they didn't get any gains from
a CAI, but why would Injen and Knight Engineering spend all that time and money to produce a Cold Air for the Autos.....??

Because a CAI will pull colder air, which is better than Hot air from the engine bay !! Don't kid yourself, if you have the means to get a CAI, then get
one. I own an Auto with a AEM SRI, and with the first $190 I get, I will purchase a Injen CAI.

Just wanted to voice my opinion about that. Thanks for listening....Take it easy...Later !!

 
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well, if you really want to get down to it, even if you routed the intake to draw air from ABOVE the hood, you STILL wouldnt see more then a 4-5 hp gain at most. in other words, dont worry about it, an intake isnt going to do much but make your car louder unless you have a lot of other mods to go with it (ie agressive cams, forced induction and so on).

 
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how about this for an answer maybe the only reason they spent that time and money making them is for people like you who would buy them anyways.. its all about money and there was an open market for them since nobody else was making them thats my 2 cents

 
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i don't want to start preaching, but i guess iam left with no choice since joe didn't do his homework....there is a huge difference between a cai and an sri, on an 80 degree day an sri will pull in intake temperatures close to 130 degrees, this is on highway driving by the way, so you can imagine the intake temp while cruising, at a 130 degrees you're actually loosing horsepower from your stock airbox, by the way joe, this test was done on an si/sir, after slapping on a cai in the same conditions, the intake temp was around 70 degrees on the highway, the rule of thumb for horsepower gain/loss through the intake is 1hp for every 10 degrees, do the math, if you don't think that 4-6 hp at the wheels for a $200 bolt on is insignificant, over a loss of some hp for a different variation of that same bolt on well than you just plain a$$ scare me[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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more dyno charts from CAI installed civics


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! mad gains off that intake yo!

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im sorry, WHO isnt doing their homework? you should really put this away....

 
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now joe can't read, so i'll say it again, i wasn't saying you gain 4-6 hp, from a cai, i was saying that on an 80 degree day, that is the difference between a cai and an sri....how did you pass your drivers test without being able to read????, did you pop up some chart showing the guy a map to your brain, and he was so fu*cking impressed he just gave it to ya?????

 
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no, the point is your NEVER going to see a 5whp gain on an otheriwse stock B16A2 with just an intake. dont be dumb.

id also like to see something other then your dumb *** shit taking to back up your claims... such as DYNO figures. You want to talk about temp differences? Then let us go ahead and talk about HEAT SOAK. Specifically the soak that happens to your intake, and i dont care what kind it is, after running your car hard for a while. Granted a CAI is going to hold an advantage over an SRI. that doesnt mean either is going to get you very far as far as performance is concerned, at least by it self. You got owned, let it go.

 
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wow joe can read, but know he's going senile, he forgot the point of the original post, the difference between an sri and a cai, if you have an sri, then you will see that difference, now stop hurting yourself.....test done by super street, 2000 civic si build-up, if you can pull dyno charts from your a$$, you can find the issue........

 
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It's hard for me to believe you haven't got booted yet joe.

 
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Oh, Im sorry. You pulled that out of a MAGAZINE. A magazine which caters to people who buy the products advertised in their publication... ads which are the MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME for that rag as well (what, you thought they made their money from SUBSCRIPTION SALES?). They wouldnt be biased in the least... nooooooooooooo. Im sure they would rather claim a .5WHP increase over a 5WHp figure, for one of their largest sponsor's biggest selling products, if that was REALLY the case right?



OH, BTW, since were talking about people not being able to read, I mentioned in my first post, that I wasnt refering to either a SRI or CAI, my only point was to say that if thats the only modification you have, its not going to mkae a huge difference anyway. Man, you have the literary skills of John UpDyke.

 
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i'll make it easier for you joe, pull a thermometer out of your a$$, go get the two intakes, and do the test yourself, it could be your first DIY, wouldn't that be fun......then come back here and talk sh*t.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/IMG]

 
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well einstein on the beach, I was PRESENT for both those dyno pulls I posted. One was at the houston tent n tune from almost 2 years ago, the other being here in california, which was also more recent. Not only that but odds are, Ive been working on tuning hondas and various other imports before you could even drive. Its pathetic that someone with such limited automotive knowledge can try to pass him self off as more. you can shut up now.

 
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2k1civic has the the best answer....



<< how about this for an answer maybe the only reason they spent that time and money making them is for people like you who would buy them anyways.. its all about money and there was an open market for them since nobody else was making them thats my 2 cents >>



That's exactly what I'm thinking!

 
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Id also like to add then when YOU actually get some figures by your SELF (read: NOT from ricer magazines), THEN you can talk like you know something.

 
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you still don't get it do you, present for what you dumba$$???, for the dyno test of an intake?, what the f*ck does that have to do with the original post and my point??, go do the test between an sri and a cai on your car, it will only take you about 45 minutes, and then maybe you'll get the point......you don't need a dyno, you just need real world conditions, iam sure ss and i have some secret corporate backing to sell more cai's, and we bought trick thermometers that also had secret corporate backing to lie about intake temps......untill you do the test, shut the f*ck up.......or go find a self help site for all the depressed idiots who bought the b16a because car & driver said it would run 15.2 in the QM, are you out of the 16's yet????, or are you too embarrassed to go back to the track and try again???

 
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ok joe, your right, ss lies, infact all those "ricer magazines" do, they must, cause joe knows, he's not a ricer, he's a racer.... your just plain ole stupid, lets make the test easier, start your car, drive it around for ten minutes, stop, open the hood, put your hand near the area an sri's filter would sit, wow warm (imagine if the hood was closed), now put your hand by the wheel well, where a cai's filter sits, wow cool, you just did the test, my god, your brilliant, now go tell your friends.......throw a party, and race to the track, it's your lucky day!, 15.9's are yours today......

 
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You can go ahead and "modify" dyno results (or those done with accelerometers, which is even eaiserto do then with a dynojet) to help support HP claims. Say for instance, I go ahead and want to say an SRI will make more power then a CI. How do you do that on a dyno? Easy, The dyno is run with a stationary car, and with the hood up. The SRI will be sucking the air from an open engine bay where as the CAI will be getting air from behind a sealed bumper and with no moving air flow since the cars STATIONARY. On the other hand you can go ahead, and make the CAI come out on top and run cold air ducted onto the intake. There was actually a large article about said things titled "How the cheat us" on Grass Roots Motorsports (a REAL magazine, unlike SCC and the other mags owned by HFM and the print **** him self, Richard Barron. What does that mean? It means that unless you have a group of unbiased enthusiasts doing the testing, or an indapendant company, your figures dont meand jack. This is why ads claim redicilous stull like "get up to a 20% power increase with out intake system!". Sure, 20%, they just tell you that 20% was done cold air being ducted onto the car, and that they are compairing 2 different pulls in 2 different gears at different places in the powerband.

As for what you said about conducting the tests my self, I have this to say... again. I as a matter of fact HAVE been present and have DONE dyno testing on many specific parts especially for the 99/00 Si. As a matter of fact, you can go ahead and see the rest of the results from our clubs test n tune days here, at which i was present, AND actually helping install/deinstall said parts for said tests. That being said, I dont see you backing your self up with anything but heresay from magazines (and not even direct quotes mind you), and shit talking. I find that rather ironic dont you?

BTW, I was running a 15.3@91.25MPH BONE STOCK. SO again, you really need to stop trying to pull crap out of your *** that you read somewhere and trying to pass it off as fact. Cause its not working. Not even it thats a point anymore because

A) 15 anything is pathetically slow

and

B) im not stock

 
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lmao, but we still havent even gotten into the whole heat soak issue. Nor, did i discuss how your "real world" testing is NOT what the magazines did either.

 
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ah, and i wish i had quoted that moronic post that you edited. way to go. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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that only applies if the other person has a valid point.

 
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OMG This is funny stuff guys keep it up!!!![IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]


Never believe magazines, go pick up the 4 hottest selling magazines and get the "times" from each of them for one specific car, or mod or whatever. They will all be different, most likely based against and biased for the companies that print ads within.

Who really cares anyway? Conditions change, cai might be better going 70mph, but then again, at that speed you will be high revving anyway and don't need the additional TORQUE that is supplied by a cai over an sri at high rpm, so it all depends.

 
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holy sh*t, i come back on here an joe is still as ignorant as an hour ago, iam not surprised, were do i start.....first of all magazines don't claim bull$hit hp gains, the ads in them do.....why do you need a dyno to conduct this test, it's common sense (maybe thats the problem), a hotter intake charge equals less hp. period. even the oem equipment tries to keep the air being sucked in as far away from the engine as possible, remember were the stock intake ducting ran on your si????????, so thats all iam saying, putting your air inlet close to the engine means than the air injested will be warmer, less dense, which = loss of hp, how can you argue that????, you ran 15.3, i knew you where a racer, no rice from joe, just the facts, so lets make sure that everyone understands the usefull info we've learned from joe, you won't gain much from using a cai over an sri, injesting hot air will not take away from your performance, and on those nice hot sunny days, when your car feels slow as hell, it's not because your sri is sucking in super hot air, it's just because????? well obviously i don't know, just ask joe, he'll pull another dyno sheet from his *** and show ya.......next, joe will tell us all that you don't see any power gains from intercooling your turbo, or that your just crazy when you tell him your car runs faster in cooler weather.......we should up joe's rank cause he know's, hey he'll even tell you when your starting to look "rice", don't think, don't slap on the mods you like, just listen to joe......f*uck lets call this site 7thgenjoeb16civic.com....

 
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here, ill make this simple.

 
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BTW, you car feels "sluggish" on a hot day because your ECU is retarding your ignigition (kind of like what god did to your brain). And guess what, itll happen with or without a CAI, SRI or stock air box.

 
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you are such a dumba$$ it's unbelievable, explain to the world why your ecu retards ignition in hot weather......maybe because it's compensating for a hotter intake charge, which causes knocking and detonation, retarding your ignition will slow you down stupid, so why make things worse with an sri, your ecu will retard less if the intake charge remains cooler, this means more hp's......you just hung yourself.....now try selling me that 15.3 bone stock pass again....or maybe you ran that with g-tech?

 
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your stupidity is beyone hope. im done with you and your pathetic arguement. My point was that its going to retard your engine no matter if you have a CAI or not. Dont dance around the main topic to try and make your self look like you know what your talking about.

 
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Damn, I go out to eat with my cousin and her husband, and I come back, and the whole world has gone to sh*it on here....

All I was saying was that people should stop posting to the newbies that a SRI will give them more power on Automatics.
A CAI will always be better.....just like what 1973 said, it is the temperature that is important there. Colder air is always better, period.
On a hot *** 102 degree summer day, after running around outside all day, would you rather me hand you a Cold glass of water, a glass of waterwarmer
than **** ?? Same concept, the colder air will be more refreshing, if you will, to the engine. And my 2 cents on dyno charts...they can blow me, I believe what
I feel on my car dude.....I don't believe what I read in magazines or hear on the Internet, I believe my own personal dyno tests....no team, no R&D group...just me, my civic, and the road. All I was trying to do was clear that issue up.......so now fellas, you two need to kiss and make up, or you'll have to be seperated....[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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Joe, that is FUNNY AS SH IT !! [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

But seriously....check this out. It is a 70 degree day....OK, and inside your engine bay, it is a humid *** 140 degrees. Here you have a short ram
pulling in 140 degree air......OK, and over here you have a CAI pulling in that 70 degree air. That right there, is a 70 degree difference...the air the short ram
is pulling in is Twice as hot as the air the CAI is pulling in. Now that is sitting still......as the car moves ahead faster and the outside air speeds up around and under the car, that 70 degree air, now becomes, I don't know, 50 - 60 (like a wind chill factor) degree air. Now you are pulling in under half the temp. as the SRI. Now tell me how that could be wrong, that's science, physics does not lie my man.

 
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1. I beleive the reason AEM did not make a CAI for the autos was explained in an email from AEM about a year ago. There was simply too many bends required to fit a CAI into the autos. Just like an exhaust, bends reduce velocity, and are bad.

2. I'm sure respectable companies such as AEM does more than stationary dynos with the hood up in front of a fan. Some track testing must have been performed, otherwise the CAI would never have been born. They would always net better results using a SRI with the hood up with a giant fan blowing right on top.

3. You'll be surprised at how much air actually flows under the hood as you're traveling. The intake for the RSX actually extends backwards and sits directly in front of the driver, but that was not an issue because of adequate airflow.

Peace.