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V10 in next NSX

That is right. An official transcrip has been released about this at templeofvtec.net so you can log in and read it there.



otherwise here it is ripped straight from the site: (I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but I did link it, so ummm yeah, I'm not sure how that goes.)



Date: July 20, 2005 00:29
Submitted by: Jeff
Source: Honda World News
Credibility Rating: 10

We love hearing speeches from Takeo Fukui. Well, actually, we listen and wonder stuff like "Did he just say...?" and then wait for the official transcript so we can verify that he did in fact say what we thought he said. Generally the guy says a lot of stuff that we like to hear.

Along those lines, Mr. Fukui just gave a mid-year update speech and world.honda.com has posted the transcript. I'd say the most significant piece of news for the average TOV'er would have to be the following paragraph:

< NSX successor >
We are now focused on the development of a new model to succeed the NSX for a new era. We would like to debut a new super sports car equipped with a V10 engine in 3 to 4 years. Please look forward to seeing the NSX successor.

Believe me, we do look forward to seeing this successor, Mr. Fukui.

Other gems plucked from the speech include:


* VCM for motorcycles
* Advanced VTEC technologies: .... continuously variable valve control system, and further advance existing VCM technology. Results in 13% fuel efficiency advantage over current technology.
* Advanced VCM technology: a further 11% improvement in efficiency is predicted with further advancements in VCM
* Atkinson Cycle engine for Power Equipment, resulting in 20% gain in fuel efficiency
* By 2009, a Fuel Cell powered motorcycle will be offered for lease by Honda.
* The "Japan-built" Fit is mentioned, with an introduction to Canada and the US "next spring"
* HondaJet public debut reminder - Fukui mentions that the HondaJet will make an appearance on July 28th at EAA AirVenture 2005 in Oshkosh, Wi.




Summary of 2005 Mid-Year CEO Speech July 20, 2005
Presented by Takeo Fukui, President and CEO


TOKYO, Japan, July 20, 2005– Honda began a new 3-year Mid-term business plan this spring.



Takeo Fukui, President and CEO


The goals for the previous 3-year business plan were to provide new value to 20 million customers worldwide and to maintain Honda’s spirited independence. These goals were established in order to help fulfill Honda’s 2010 vision -- to become a company that society wants to exist. Fortunately, Honda accomplished these goals during the past 3-year business plan, reaching annual sales of 20 million units worldwide including motorcycles, automobiles, and power products.

For the new 9th Mid-term plan, Honda will further pursue its efforts to become number one in the world in creating new value for our customers by strengthening the core characteristics that make Honda unique — that is to further advance initiative, technology, and quality. Our goal is to establish Honda as a brand that people trust and identify with by further strengthening Honda’s spirit of innovation and creativity.

< Powertrain Innovation >
At last year’s mid-year press conference, I explained how we would focus on creating new value by strengthening the core characteristics that make Honda unique in four key areas — R&D, manufacturing, sales and service, and the “Leader Function” of our factories in Japan.

Among these focal areas, R&D is the source of the innovative technologies and products that make Honda unique. And at the foundation of Honda’s product competitiveness is the powertrain, including the engine, transmission, and motor. The powertrain is the key factor in making our products fun-to-drive and it is the foundation technology that enables Honda to continue to provide the joy of mobility to people around the world while also reducing any negative impact on the environment, including exhaust emissions and CO2 emissions.

Thus, looking ahead, Honda will pursue further powertrain innovation as a source of Honda’s competitiveness in each product segment including motorcycle, automobile, power products, and next generation mobility .

< Environment — Motorcycle, Automobile, Power Product >
Understanding of Environmental Issues


* There are three primary environmental challenges facing society: 1) achieving cleaner exhaust emissions in the effort to reduce air pollution, 2) reduction of CO2 emissions via improved fuel efficiency in the effort to reduce the threat of global warming, and 3) development of alternative energy sources, such as fuel cells, in the effort to address the future depletion of petroleum-based energy.

* Honda has long been committed to these issues and made achievements beyond government regulations. In 1972, Honda’s CVCC engine became the world’s first engine to meet the requirements of the 1970 Clean Air Act, and the Honda Civic with this CVCC engine became the most fuel efficient automobile in the U.S. for four consecutive years. Today, Honda leads the auto industry in the U.S. in terms of average fuel economy (CAFE). In Japan, Honda has already cleared 2010 fuel economy standards in all vehicle weight categories .

* Emission levels have been reduced to one-thousandth compared to the level of 40 years ago.

* Technologies to achieve cleaner emissions are becoming well-established. For example, the Honda Accord has earned SULEV certification in the U.S. which means that in some locations it emits a lower concentration of hydrocarbon emissions than the surrounding air.

* From the viewpoint of environmental protection, Honda will accelerate its challenge to reduce CO2 emissions as an effort against global warming.

* Until fuel cell technology, a next-generation power source, reaches the point of mass market use, internal combustion engines – including gasoline, gas-electric hybrid, natural gas and diesel – will remain the dominant power source of passenger vehicles for the next few decades. Honda believes that one of the most effective environmental protection efforts we can pursue at this moment is to improve the efficiency of internal combustion engines -- which are the primary means to enable people to enjoy the freedom of mobility – in the effort to minimize CO2 emissions in the atmosphere.

* With current technologies, a portion of fuel energy is lost due to friction, thermal losses, and pumping losses, and thus it is not possible to use 100% of fuel energy to power a vehicle. Honda is committed to the development of various new technologies that minimize energy losses and maximize energy efficiency.

* One such internal combustion engine technology is the gas-electric hybrid system which electrically regenerates energy produced during deceleration, which otherwise would have been lost as heat generated by the brake system, and then reuses the energy for acceleration. By improving the efficiency of the engine, the energy efficiency of the entire hybrid system can be further improved.

* A comparison between the Accord Hybrid and the regular Accord V6 presents a good example. In city driving, 60% of the fuel economy improvement comes from the hybrid system. For highway driving, on the other hand, the Variable Cylinder Management system accounts for 57% of the improvement, exceeding the contribution of the hybrid system. In other words, a hybrid system can make a bigger contribution to the improvement of energy efficiency under diverse driving conditions and to the environment when combined with a more efficient engine.

* Following are the directions Honda will pursue to improve the efficiency of its engines for our motorcycles, automobiles, and power products.


< Motorcycles >


* Achievement and plans for fuel economy improvement for motorcycles:
Honda has been promoting the introduction of FI (fuel injection) systems and the replacement of 2-stroke engines with 4-stroke engines for all categories including scooters and small and large motorcycles. As a result, by 2005, the fuel economy of Honda motorcycle products was improved approximately 34% compared to the level of 1995. For the 9th Mid-term, in addition to existing technologies, some new engine technologies will be introduced.

* Super-low-friction engines:
Honda is developing the world’s top level low friction engine for the 100cc to 125cc class – the largest volume segment in the world. The low friction engine achieves improved combustion efficiency by introducing two spark plugs while friction is reduced completely. This new innovation improves the fuel economy by 13% compared to the level of 2005.

* VCM (Variable Cylinder Management) engines for motorcycles:
Honda has developed new VCM engines for large motorcycles, applying cylinder cut-off technology that was first applied to automobile engines -- while customizing it for motorcycles by integrating it with a HYPER VTEC system. This VCM system achieves both excellent driving performance and fuel economy by freely controlling valves in four stages from 2-cylinder/2-valve to 4-cylinder/4-valve. With this new technology, Honda aims to improve the fuel economy of large motorcycle engines by 30% compared to the level of 2005.



Honda will apply these new technologies to mass-market products by the end of the 9th Mid-term and then expand the number of models equipped with these technologies in order to improve the environmental performance of motorcycles.
Fuel economy improvement goals
Super low friction engine : 13% improvement (vs. 2005)
VCM engine for motorcycles : 30% improvement (vs. 2005)


< Automobiles >


* Achievement and plans for fuel economy improvement for automobiles:
With introduction of the all-new Civic this year, Honda will complete the shift to its next generation i-series engines for almost all models. With VTEC technology at the core, Honda has established distinctive technologies to improve fuel economy, including VCM. As a result, this new series of engines has achieved approximately a 20% improvement in fuel economy.

For the 9th Mid-term, Honda will further advance VTEC technologies, introduce new technologies to control air intake with a continuously variable valve control system, and further advance existing VCM technology. These new technologies will be applied to key models within this Mid-term.

* Advanced VTEC
An advanced VTEC engine, scheduled to be introduced at the end of the 9th Mid-term, dramatically reduces pumping losses by controlling engine aspiration through continuously variable control over the amount of intake valve lift and phase of valve switchover timing. With innovative valve control and control of the length of the intake manifold, combustion efficiency will be increased by 13% compared to current i-VTEC engines.

* Advanced VCM
VCM was first introduced with the Inspire model in 2003. By increasing flexibility in the number of cylinders that are cut off, further advancing variable valve systems and improving the performance of active control engine mounts, the advanced VCM technology should achieve an 11% improvement in fuel economy compared to a Honda V-6 engine.

* Honda will apply these advanced VTEC and VCM technologies to mass-market products by the end of the 9th Mid-term and then expand them to other models as core automobile engine technologies to further improve fuel economy.

Fuel economy improvement goals
Advanced VTEC: 13% improvement (vs. 2005 regular i-VTEC engine)
Advanced VCM: 11% improvement (vs. 2005 Honda V-6 engine)



< Power Products/general purpose engines >


* Achievement and plans for fuel economy improvement for power products:
Honda has been an industry leader in providing engines with high environmental performance. Honda has introduced GX and GC series engines which use OHV (overhead valve) and OHC (overhead cam) technologies. Also, Honda has introduced a cleaner, 4-stroke, 360-degree inclinable engine –-M4 series— to the handheld market where 2-stroke engines were the mainstream. Moreover, with the iGX engine, by incorporating intelligent control through an electronically-controlled STR (Self Tuning Regulator) as a core technology, Honda achieved the industry’s best environmental performance and ease of operation. Honda will continue to expand application of STR technology through a series of engines, while continuing development of further engine advances.

* Honda is currently developing an innovative next-generation general propose engine. This high expansion ratio engine has a mechanism to vary the intake/compression stroke, and expansion/emission stroke. This newly developed engine has already proved operational in the test lab. This innovative technology achieves an ideal Atkinson cycle and makes it possible to improve fuel economy by 20%.

* For the 9th Mid-term, Honda will expand application of intelligent technology and introduce an innovative high expansion ratio engine to the market. Honda will continue to be an industry leader in the area of environmental technologies for general purpose engines.

Fuel economy improvement goals:
Further application of STR technology: 15% improvement (vs. 2005)
High expansion ratio engine: 20% improvement (vs. 2005)


< Hybrid >


* As mentioned earlier, Honda believes that improvement in the efficiency of internal combustion engines will make a significant contribution for environmental efforts. In addition to the efficiency of the engine itself, the efficiency of the IMA system should be improved to make a major contribution to the reduction of CO2 emissions.

* Honda recently announced development of a 3-stage i-VTEC engine and IMA system for the next generation Civic. Honda will further advance IMA technology to improve total efficiency.



< Fuel Cell >


* Honda will accelerate the development of fuel cell vehicles, the ultimate environmental technology beyond the internal combustion engine. Already, the Honda FCX has reached the stage where we have begun lease sales to individual customers. By applying Honda FC stack technology developed for automobiles, Honda is aiming to launch a fuel cell motorcycle model for lease by 2009.



< Alternative Fuels >


* Natural gas
Honda first introduced the natural gas-powered Civic GX in 1998. This year, Honda began sales in the U.S. of a home-refueling appliance called “Phill” to enable the refueling of Civic GX at individual households. Honda will further promote sales of Civic GX.
In Japan, Honda has sold a total of 17,000 units of a household cogeneration unit that uses city gas (natural gas) as well as LPG gas as a fuel to supply electricity and heat. The amount of CO2 emissions reduced through the use of 17,000 cogeneration units is equivalent to the amount reduced by 1 million trees or by a forest that is 200 times as large as the Tokyo Dome. Honda will begin pre-launch trial sales in the U.S. this year, preparing for the official mass market introduction in the U.S. next year.

* Ethanol
Ethanol fuel is widely used in Brazil. Since the mid-1980s, Honda has been offering motorcycles and then automobiles that accept ethanol-gasoline fuel. The percentage of ethanol has increased from 10% to 20% and 25%, and now 100% ethanol fuel, called E100, is also available in the market. Honda will introduce a FlexFuel car that accepts ethanol contained fuel at any percentage, before the end of 2006.

* Honda will continue to pursue efforts to utilize various non-gasoline energy sources, which is expected to have a large impact on the reduction of CO2.



Honda will continue its challenge to introduce and expand use of innovative powertrains in all product categories, with the goal to achieve the best fuel economy in each category.

Business Topics:
< New Civic >


* The Honda Civic, a true global car, will undergo a full model change this year.

* The all-new Civic was developed with four body types to meet the unique requirements of each region. For the Japanese market, an emotional and stylish sedan which goes beyond the concept of the traditional Civic was developed. For the U.S. market, 2-door and 4-door types were developed, while a 4-door was also developed for Asia and 3-door and 5-door types were developed exclusively for Europe. The all-new Civic, developed under our approach of creating products to meet the needs of local customers, is a true global car with sales of more than 600,000 units annually in 160 countries in the world and with production in six regions, now to include China, where Civic production will begin next year. For the new Civic, Honda will offer an advanced powertrain lineup that includes various fuel options including gasoline, diesel, hybrid, CNG and ethanol – to meet the unique needs of each region.




< Regional Operations >


* Japan
Through in-house production, Honda has created the latest powertrain technologies for the all-new Civic, including a new hybrid motor, CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission), and clean diesel. For example, the motor for the hybrid system is being produced at Honda’s Suzuka plant. Honda is the only automaker in the world that produces its own metal belt for the CVT. In addition to procuring belts from external suppliers, Honda produces metal belts at the Suzuka plant.

Further, Honda adopted the semi-solid production method for the i-CTDi diesel engine, which is a unique production method for the engine block. This highly sophisticated aluminum casting process will be transferred from Honda Engineering Co., Ltd., to Suzuka before the end of the year, further strengthening Honda’s mass production capability. As a part of the initiative to strengthen the “Leader Function” of our factories in Japan, advanced technologies for internal combustion engines will be developed, manufactured, and improved by in-house efforts at Honda.

To strengthen core capabilities that make Honda unique in the area of sales and service, relevant operations currently scattered across Japan will be centralized at Honda Motor headquarters. By fully utilizing information technologies, Honda headquarters will be directly connected with Honda dealers to create leading edge sales and service activities. In addition, Honda recently established a new subsidiary, Honda Consulting Co., Ltd., which will focus on career development and strengthening of Honda associates who are the driving force of sales and service efforts “at the spot.”

In the areas of production and sales, Honda will further strengthen both our capability “at the spot” and the core characteristics that make Honda unique.

* North America
Honda is strengthening the foundation for light truck sales in North America. The second line in Alabama will reach full capacity before the end of the year due to strong sales of Odyssey and a minor model change for Pilot this fall. Further, in addition to the recently introduced Ridgeline, Honda will also begin production of the CR-V in North America. Moreover, the Acura brand will be further strengthened by expanding its product lineup with the introduction of a new SUV model, also to be built in North America.

Honda will introduce the fuel efficient Fit as an entry level model in North America. Fit models manufactured in Brazil will be introduced to Mexico in October of this year, and the Japan-made Fit will be introduced to the U.S. and Canada next spring. Honda will further expand its product lineup in order to respond to increasing customer demands for vehicles with high fuel efficiency.

Construction of a new automatic transmission plant in Georgia, Honda Precision Parts Georgia, began in May. Production of high-precision gears in North America will also begin in Honda’s Ohio transmission plant for the first time in North America. Production of engine components, including connecting rods, is being increased and strengthened in Alabama. Honda will invest a total of 30 billion yen to localize and accelerate powertrain production in North America in order to meet growing market demand.

* South America
Since its introduction in 2003, the Fit has become very successful in this region, and the Honda plant in Brazil is producing at its full capacity of 50,000 units annually. Fit and new Civic will be key models in the region. In Brazil, local production of Hornet 600F, a 600cc 4-cylinder motorcycle, will begin for the first time. Honda aims to improve technologies which support powertrain production in this region.

* Europe
Diesel power is expected to become one of the key efforts to reduce CO2 emissions in Europe. Honda began equipping the Accord with the i-CTDi engine last year and added it to CR-V and FR-V this year, and will add it to the new Civic next year. With this diesel strategy at the core, Honda will further strengthen its auto business in Europe.

* Asia
In order to fulfill growing demand for motorcycles in the region, Honda’s third motorcycle plant in Indonesia will become fully operational this fall and a new plant in the Philippines will begin production in April next year. Honda will introduce high value products that further advance ease of operation.

A new automobile plant being built in Vietnam with an annual capacity of 10,000 units will become operational in July next year. The annual production capacity of the automobile plant in Indonesia was expanded from 40,000 to 50,000 units. In India, annual automobile production capacity will be expanded from the current 30,000 units to 50,000 units by the end of this year. This will accommodate the startup of local production of Civic within the next year, in addition to the current production of the popular Accord and City models. Honda plans to double production capacity in India to 100,000 units by 2010. This month, Thailand became the third country, after Japan and the U.S., where Honda introduced the “spin cast” production method that does not require sand casting for the cylinder sleeve. Also, the annual production capacity of Honda’s automobile engine plant in Thailand will be doubled to 300,000 units in spring 2006.

While introducing advanced powertrain production technologies in Asia, Honda will pursue high quality worldwide and utilize its flexible, complementary global supply network.

* China
While expanding overall annual automobile production capacity in China to 530,000 units, Honda has been improving quality and cost competitiveness. Honda became the first automaker in China to export its locally manufactured products, with shipments to Europe. By exporting to one of the most competitive automobile markets in the world, Honda will further improve the competitiveness of production in China.

By spring 2006, Dongfeng Honda in Wuhan will be innovated and expanded into a mass production plant with an annual production capacity of 120,000 units. Local production of the all-new Civic equipped with an advanced engine will begin in China.



< NSX successor >
We are now focused on the development of a new model to succeed the NSX for a new era. We would like to debut a new super sports car equipped with a V10 engine in 3 to 4 years. Please look forward to seeing the NSX successor.

< HondaJet >
HondaJet will make its first public demonstration flight next week, July 28, at EAA AirVenture 2005, an annual exhibition of experimental aircraft, held in OshKosh, Wisconsin. Since its maiden flight in December 2003, HondaJet has taken numerous test flights. Total flight time to date has reached 150 hours, and HondaJet has so far achieved its maximum altitude of 13,000 meters and maximum speed of 728km/h. Honda will continue its testing efforts for HondaJet which improves fuel efficiency by 40% compared to existing aircrafts in its class by combining excellent aerodynamic performance with the high fuel efficiency of Honda’s HF118 engine.

Conclusion
Honda is committed to further advancing powertrain technologies in order to offer new products and technologies that satisfy growing demand from customers around the world for high fuel efficiency and to achieve more environmentally-friendly mobility that more people can enjoy. Honda will continue to dedicate company resources to the creation of new technologies. Honda will also continue making capital investments proactively to strengthen the flexibility and efficiency of its global production network.

Setting customer satisfaction as our number one priority, Honda strives to provide the joy of mobility to even more customers through the introduction of new technologies and new products. When this is achieved, our sales should reach approximately 16 million units for motorcycles, approximately 4 million units for automobiles, and approximately 6.5 million units for power products by the end of the 9th Mid-term. In terms of sales revenue, this will exceed 10 trillion yen.

Through all of these efforts, Honda’s goal is to be a company that society wants to exist, to pursue the joy of mobility, and to extend this joy to more customers and to future generations.
Cliffnotes: Honda is pursueing a bunch of new engine technology for better fuel economy in most of their products including cars, motorcycles and others. Also mentions how sales are doing in different regions.
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thanks for the cliffnotes. I just hate that 3-4 years usually becomes 4-5.
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v10 nsx awsome !!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Civicccc
thanks for the cliffnotes. I just hate that 3-4 years usually becomes 4-5.
I don't know, Honda has been late with some products, but they've been surprisingly quick with some other ones. The Element was very fast from concept to production. I won't complain though, as long as they do it right!
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They should also redo the whole Look of the NSX
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still no v8? hmmm...
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yea never thought they would build a production engine with more than 6 cyl... i dunno about a viper killer, that have some work to do for that.
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i'd rather see a v8. It would be muc more useful and could go in so many different cars.
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Thats crazy.
I remember watching a race on the net, i forget what it was called, but it was racing a bunch of excotic cars.
Murculago (spelling), Ferrari F50, Porsche (i think it was a 911 Turbo), but anyways NSX was also one of the cars in the race.
All of those cars had the power advantage by at least 150+HP. However the NSX took the corners faster, and far better than all the cars listed above. but in straightaways it lost, but it still kept up with the competition, i beleive the F50 won the race.
I really hope it doesnt lose that balance, becuase the NSX was a almost perfect if not perfectly balanced car..and with a V10..i dont know what to expect.
Except maybe it'll be $190K+ Canadian dollars. hahaha..or maybe even more ?
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wow...
V10 nsx
along with so so much other goodies for the future everwhere in the world. go honda!
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yeah but it wont be the "NSX" its going to be called something different. lol i cant wait to see the type R version of a v10 supercar.
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He said "successor", so the NSX as we know it will be totally gone, I'm sure. The NSX was always awesome, but somewhat regular... I would call the NSX a sports car, not a supercar. I can't wait to see a honda supercar.
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Originally Posted by Mustang5.0HO
They should also redo the whole Look of the NSX
U on crack? NSX is one of the best looking i think, imo.
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Im interested to see the specs for the engine. It probablly will be a very small V10.

450hp/200tq

I hope the car is drastically changed as well.

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Thats crazy.
I remember watching a race on the net, i forget what it was called, but it was racing a bunch of excotic cars.
Murculago (spelling), Ferrari F50, Porsche (i think it was a 911 Turbo), but anyways NSX was also one of the cars in the race.
All of those cars had the power advantage by at least 150+HP. However the NSX took the corners faster, and far better than all the cars listed above. but in straightaways it lost, but it still kept up with the competition, i beleive the F50 won the race.
I really hope it doesnt lose that balance, becuase the NSX was a almost perfect if not perfectly balanced car..and with a V10..i dont know what to expect.
Except maybe it'll be $190K+ Canadian dollars. hahaha..or maybe even more ?
have that vid, it was Best Motoring.

V10 is a bit much... that means price tag could be upward of $150,000! Lets say 4.5L V8 pumping out 460HP should be enough. But it also depends on what Honda feels would be its main competition: Ferrari 612/Murcielago etc, or Ferrari 430/Gallardo.
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I consider the NSX a supercar, but the car, at least in america, was always lacking the respect any other supercar has. Its not the fastest straight line car and being very very easy to drive has given the nsx some traits not common to supercars.

but yeah a type-R of a V10 supercar will be amazing for sure! I just hope the next car is aimed at the F430 market cause we all know we want a fast MR V10 from honda. Nothing heavy, nothing too expensive. A japanese ferrari is what we should be getting!
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im sorry you guys but thats so . i mean come on. it defies the whole philosophy of HONDA. give me a brake. so anyway, listen honda engines already pump 100hp/liter. if they made a v10 it would be a small 4.0 or 5.0 with massive horsepower, not to mention massive torque(finally) with all those cylinders. the philosophy is good gas mileage. even the s2k which is compared to porches has awesome gas mileage for what it can do. i say big V6 maybe V8. if honda ever wanted to make a v8 it would make all the american v8s obsolite. i won't believe a v10 till i see it. and besides honda has a viper killer. its all those heavily modded s2ks and rsx's and civics.
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The NSX even in america under acura was never meant to be fuel economical. thats what the other cars are for. the nsx is a supercar through and through.
and if the word "modified" is used then NO, honda does not have a viper killer. A few people with alot of $$$ in their S2000's and civics do!

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no prob. i still don't believe the v10 though. not till i see it in a showroom
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Originally Posted by MajinB
im sorry you guys but thats so . i mean come on. it defies the whole philosophy of HONDA. give me a brake. so anyway, listen honda engines already pump 100hp/liter. if they made a v10 it would be a small 4.0 or 5.0 with massive horsepower, not to mention massive torque(finally) with all those cylinders. the philosophy is good gas mileage. even the s2k which is compared to porches has awesome gas mileage for what it can do. i say big V6 maybe V8. if honda ever wanted to make a v8 it would make all the american v8s obsolite. i won't believe a v10 till i see it. and besides honda has a viper killer. its all those heavily modded s2ks and rsx's and civics.
I kind of believe it. I mean, if we take a look at how long the NSX lasted, we should expect to see the car's successor to last similarly long. A lot of the tech found in the NSX made its way to other cars later over the years. Most, if not all Honda's have somthing from the NSX, wether its the VTEC technology or the great feeling shifters that Honda has developed and been able to put on less then supercar vehicles to make them feel like true sportscars. That next engine might have all the goodies that Honda has developed to get the best gas-mileage ever. I wouldn't be surprised if it had VCM for example.

Also, for a long time, Honda has been saying that they won't make a V8. If they make a V10, they won't be going back on their word I wouldn't mind that.
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Originally Posted by CivicsRdBest
I kind of believe it. I mean, if we take a look at how long the NSX lasted, we should expect to see the car's successor to last similarly long. A lot of the tech found in the NSX made its way to other cars later over the years. Most, if not all Honda's have somthing from the NSX, wether its the VTEC technology or the great feeling shifters that Honda has developed and been able to put on less then supercar vehicles to make them feel like true sportscars. That next engine might have all the goodies that Honda has developed to get the best gas-mileage ever. I wouldn't be surprised if it had VCM for example.

Also, for a long time, Honda has been saying that they won't make a V8. If they make a V10, they won't be going back on their word I wouldn't mind that.
The thing is, at least IMO, they already have a v8. Although its very small and is a racing motor, they have the technology already there.

Not to mention that a v8 would fit nicely in their new flagship full size sedan for Acura, a nice optional motor for the ridgeline (there has pretty much been a comfirmation that their is a fleet of ridgelines running v8 motors out there somewhere in hondaland), and a good motor for the new MDX. The current V6 motor could stay in the RL, base ridgeline, and could be put in the RDX.

See, a v8 would be much more practicle than a v10 to be put into only 1 car that has VERY low production numbers. What is the new NSX going to cost with a v10 motor? I'd think over $100k.
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they sold 3 NSX this year lol... I dont know where this news came from.. I know honda was loosing alot money on the program. i think its all BS and there will not be another honda supercar. Its a waist of money.
I mean seriously I would not pay 150grand which it would be with a v10 for a HONDA. I like hondas but seriously thats "Ferrari" territory. its like a man buying a new Ford GT over a ferrari F430. I would still take the Ferrari even though its a little slower.
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Hot damn, a V10 NSX is going to own so bad.
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they sold 3 NSX this year lol... I dont know where this news came from.. I know honda was loosing alot money on the program. i think its all BS and there will not be another honda supercar. Its a waist of money.
I mean seriously I would not pay 150grand which it would be with a v10 for a HONDA. I like hondas but seriously thats "Ferrari" territory. its like a man buying a new Ford GT over a ferrari F430. I would still take the Ferrari even though its a little slower.
Id take the Ford GT......or the Saleen S7
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