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Old Jul 7, 2005
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Why haven't honda came out with a factory turbo car. Dodge and other have came out with theres. If they did it would kill dodge and the other competors.
When will they did it? I wonder.
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Factory turboed cars tend to get poorer fuel efficiency for starters, esp. while cruising, and Honda has devoted swathes of research to cleaner engines. Also, and though someone is likely to contradict me on this, turbo systems tend to be less reliable, and require a rebuild usually after 1xx,000 mi or so. No to mention, the engine tend to be a bit peakier, and not everyone wants a car that makes cool turbo sounds every time you shift. Not to mention that warranty-wise, turbo cars can be a liability for a lot of manufacturers.

Oh yeah, and not to mention the fact that Honda doesn't seem to need to use FI for what they can do w. NA, just look at the S2000.
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It would be cool to see a factory Supercharged SI!! Jackson SC or something of that nature!!!
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honda isn't trying to compete with the neon, etc.
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Is that why all the new Civics have gotten their HP notched up and the Si went from 160HP to 200HP w. a limited slip? I wouldn't say its direct competition, but they are feeling the squeeze I think from the rest of the market to pump up the HP.

I mean, if not for the HP, why else would anyone in their right mind buy a Neon?
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Honda also doesnt need to compete with other factory turbo cars.... ppl like Honda for NA screaming engines....
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Originally Posted by dre2600
Is that why all the new Civics have gotten their HP notched up and the Si went from 160HP to 200HP w. a limited slip? I wouldn't say its direct competition, but they are feeling the squeeze I think from the rest of the market to pump up the HP.

I mean, if not for the HP, why else would anyone in their right mind buy a Neon?
if not for the turbo would buy a neon... makes scense
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Honda has put a lot of research into making reliable engines. They have learned a lot of information that they use on MULTIPLE things not just cars. They have learned a lot from their motorcycle research and development and that has brought about such great things as the ever popular "VTEC!!!" Honda has brought up the standards of power and gas-mileage at the same time, without sacrificing reliability.

Daimler Chrysler, former Daimler-Benz and the Chrysler network both have a lot of history with turbo-chargers/superchargers. They know how to use them well. Benz's have been using them in diesels and they have been using superchargers in the gasoline cars. They will go turbo soon I've heard though. Anyway, Chrysler has had a lot of turbo'ed cars since the 80's. Those were fast pocket rockets.

That being said, each company has their own forte.
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Honda has a supreme market selling their cars to economically concerned buyers.
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they have 1 modern factory turbo...the honda accord 2.2 turbo diesel...in the past they had one called the city turbo...and some others
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Originally Posted by dre2600
Is that why all the new Civics have gotten their HP notched up and the Si went from 160HP to 200HP w. a limited slip? I wouldn't say its direct competition, but they are feeling the squeeze I think from the rest of the market to pump up the HP.

I mean, if not for the HP, why else would anyone in their right mind buy a Neon?
their target demographic, believe it or not, is NOT the tuner sport compact crowd. so no, they are not upping the horsepower to even try to indirectly compete with the neon.
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Originally Posted by CivicsRdBest
Daimler Chrysler, former Daimler-Benz and the Chrysler network both have a lot of history with turbo-chargers/superchargers. They know how to use them well. Benz's have been using them in diesels and they have been using superchargers in the gasoline cars. They will go turbo soon I've heard though. Anyway, Chrysler has had a lot of turbo'ed cars since the 80's. Those were fast pocket rockets.

That being said, each company has their own forte.
a common misconception is that honda is not as knowledgeable as say chrysler or mercedes or other companies when it comes to FI. this isn't true.

consider the fact that honda has probably been turbo and supercharging engines before chrysler or mercedes ever did. honda has tons of experience building FI engines in formula 1 and other such racing capacities. heck they even have a turbo charged wave runner.

honda does not use the turbo (at least rarely) in their mass production cars because they feel it is unecessary, and uneconomic in terms of fuel. honda has had turbo'd cars though.
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Honda really doesnt care that much about performance. It's plain and simple. Their bread and butter is economy, reliability, and effiency (emmisions-wise). Why have a turbo car?
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
their target demographic, believe it or not, is NOT the tuner sport compact crowd. so no, they are not upping the horsepower to even try to indirectly compete with the neon.
I know its not the tuner market. Thats common sense, why cater to 0.01% of the total market. But the -entire- market wants more HP, naturally they don't want to sacrifice fuel economy, but thats neither here nor there. From the Odyssey featuring high HP, to people buying up Hemi engines and a waiting list for any high HP factory special from most nameplates, the trend is towards increased HP.

Even an EX Civic saw a bump in power and displacement from the last gen., now this one is too.

But the people who do buy 6spd. Si coupes w. LSDs -will- be of the sort who might consider a Neon too. Most of the market doesn't even know what the hell as LSD is for, so it would make no sense to include one if not to appeal to a very particular crowd and they're not all 'tuners' either, just people who like the idea of a fast car.
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^^ you got it... thats wut honda wants to strive for. Other competitors can have factory turboed cars because they're trying to attract consumers with performance rather than reliability, quality and so on.
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Originally Posted by dre2600
From the Odyssey featuring high HP, to people buying up Hemi engines and a waiting list for any high HP factory special from most nameplates, the trend is towards increased HP.

Even an EX Civic saw a bump in power and displacement from the last gen., now this one is too.

But the people who do buy 6spd. Si coupes w. LSDs -will- be of the sort who might consider a Neon too. Most of the market doesn't even know what the hell as LSD is for, so it would make no sense to include one if not to appeal to a very particular crowd and they're not all 'tuners' either, just people who like the idea of a fast car.
yeah i agree for the most part. except people who buy hemis are morons. it's not even a hemi.
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i know they have civics that are turbo diesel. anyway why isn't that in the states i bet it gets amazing gas mileage.
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Why would hond need to turbo anyways? You can get a turbo kit and strap it on your self for cheeper than what it would end up costing you from honda. Plus in mass production things tend to have bugs and querks.. So not saying honda couldnt do it, cause they have. But why have them do it when we can do it ourselfs?
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Why would hond need to turbo anyways? You can get a turbo kit and strap it on your self for cheeper than what it would end up costing you from honda. Plus in mass production things tend to have bugs and querks.. So not saying honda couldnt do it, cause they have. But why have them do it when we can do it ourselfs?

because it would be a pretty big hassle to turbocharge your car yourself? and there goes your warranty. and it would be easier to tune, wouldnt it? yield higher horsepower gains.
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Originally Posted by acjones21
Honda really doesnt care that much about performance. It's plain and simple. Their bread and butter is economy, reliability, and effiency (emmisions-wise). Why have a turbo car?

This pretty much explains Honda's whole attitude for the north american market. The north american market is Honda's primary source of income. The turbo diesels are low volume cars, so honda can afford to gamble. Accords and civics are high volume cars in NA, so there a lot more conservative about adding thing like turbo. Can you imagine the cost of recalling 200k accords or something from a turbo defect?
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