USA - No Honda Diesel for you!
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USA - No Honda Diesel for you!
Official word from Honda is there are no plans to bring diesels into the United States. This, despite Honda senior managing director Michiyoshi Hagino’s claim in April that the company would offer diesel cars in the States in the near future (later debunked as a mistranslation), and despite senior vice president John Mendel’s showing of a television commercial about diesels at a recent Automotive News seminar in California. And finally, this despite Honda’s home-market diesel engines having won kudos for being among the most fuel-efficient and silent diesel engines on the market. But they’re not for you, America.
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I'd take a diesel, not to mention that it doesn't release hydrocarbons like gasoline engines. There emissions are less polluting than gasoline engines as well.
the VW TDI gets like 58 mpg in the Golf.
the VW TDI gets like 58 mpg in the Golf.
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question399.htm
Diesel engines have never really caught on in passenger cars. During the late 1970's, diesel engines in passenger cars did see a surge in sales because of the OPEC oil embargo (over half a million were sold in the U.S.), but that is the only significant penetration that diesel engines have made in the marketplace. Even though they are more efficient, there are eight historical problems that have held diesel engines back:
1. Diesel engines, because they have much higher compression ratios (20:1 for a typical diesel vs. 8:1 for a typical gasoline engine), tend to be heavier than an equivalent gasoline engine.
2. Diesel engines also tend to be more expensive.
3. Diesel engines, because of the weight and compression ratio, tend to have lower maximum RPM ranges than gasoline engines (see Question 381 for details). This makes diesel engines high torque rather than high horsepower, and that tends to make diesel cars slow in terms of acceleration.
4. Diesel engines must be fuel injected, and in the past fuel injection was expensive and less reliable
5. Diesel engines tend to produce more smoke and "smell funny".
6. Diesel engines are harder to start in cold weather, and if they contain glow plugs, diesel engines can require you to wait before starting the engine so the glow plugs can heat up.
7. Diesel engines are much noisier and tend to vibrate.
8. Diesel fuel is less readily available than gasoline
One or two of these disadvantages would be OK, but a group of disadvantages this large is a big deterrent for lots of people.
The two things working in favor of diesel engines are better fuel economy and longer engine life. Both of these advantages mean that, over the life of the engine, you will tend to save money with a diesel. However, you also have to take the initial high cost of the engine into account. You have to own and operate a diesel engine for a fairly long time before the fuel economy overcomes the increased purchase price of the engine. The equation works great in a big diesel tractor-trailer rig that is running 400 miles every day, but it is not nearly so beneficial in a passenger car.
As mentioned, the list above contains historical disadvantages for diesel engines. Many of the new diesel engine designs using advanced computer control are eliminating many of these disadvantages -- smoke, noise, vibration and cost are all declining. In the future, we are likely to see many more diesel engines on the road.
1. Diesel engines, because they have much higher compression ratios (20:1 for a typical diesel vs. 8:1 for a typical gasoline engine), tend to be heavier than an equivalent gasoline engine.
2. Diesel engines also tend to be more expensive.
3. Diesel engines, because of the weight and compression ratio, tend to have lower maximum RPM ranges than gasoline engines (see Question 381 for details). This makes diesel engines high torque rather than high horsepower, and that tends to make diesel cars slow in terms of acceleration.
4. Diesel engines must be fuel injected, and in the past fuel injection was expensive and less reliable
5. Diesel engines tend to produce more smoke and "smell funny".
6. Diesel engines are harder to start in cold weather, and if they contain glow plugs, diesel engines can require you to wait before starting the engine so the glow plugs can heat up.
7. Diesel engines are much noisier and tend to vibrate.
8. Diesel fuel is less readily available than gasoline
One or two of these disadvantages would be OK, but a group of disadvantages this large is a big deterrent for lots of people.
The two things working in favor of diesel engines are better fuel economy and longer engine life. Both of these advantages mean that, over the life of the engine, you will tend to save money with a diesel. However, you also have to take the initial high cost of the engine into account. You have to own and operate a diesel engine for a fairly long time before the fuel economy overcomes the increased purchase price of the engine. The equation works great in a big diesel tractor-trailer rig that is running 400 miles every day, but it is not nearly so beneficial in a passenger car.
As mentioned, the list above contains historical disadvantages for diesel engines. Many of the new diesel engine designs using advanced computer control are eliminating many of these disadvantages -- smoke, noise, vibration and cost are all declining. In the future, we are likely to see many more diesel engines on the road.
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If you look at Honda's lineup here though, you'll notice that we have 3 hybrids, which caters to the American market because people still prefer gas over diesel.
I would love a diesel car as they are a lot stronger in the lower RPM's, and if you couple that with a turbo then you get some great pickup and go at highway speeds too.
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have you ever been in a deisel truck that has those lil horsepower and torque boxs, i have,
story, but its nothing spectacular.
i was in a deisel ram, towing a 4000lbs trailer and car. this maxima revved on us at the light, we both took off, and we beat him to the next light, a truck that that can pull like that carrying that much weight, now thats power
story, but its nothing spectacular.
i was in a deisel ram, towing a 4000lbs trailer and car. this maxima revved on us at the light, we both took off, and we beat him to the next light, a truck that that can pull like that carrying that much weight, now thats power
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We had a diesel back in the Philippines, an Isuzu Fuego, (I think they were sold here too but under a different name, its a compact truck like a Ranger competitor.) It was powerful for a 4 cylinder and it could keep up with cars at low speeds w/ a load. Surprising since it was a lot heavier then the tiny cars sold there. However, it took a while to build up speed on highways or to pass. The generation after that, the trucks got a turbo charger...
go figure.
Bigger engines though are less of a problem of course.
go figure.Bigger engines though are less of a problem of course.
Diesel engines are very popular in Europe (especially Eastern) and I think one day so tehy will in US. Diesels would be more poular if the 5 states currently didn't ban the sale of them in passenger cars.





