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hey everybody, i made friends with an owner of a MKIV golf, which has a pretty decent amount of work done to it, and let me tell you, i think it boggies!

well, he owns one of those cool as$ GTEC PRO things and we took it out in my car for some fun last night....

i didnt do much with it, only the 0-60 and HP

HP = 150hp at the wheels, that is what it claimed, im going to underestimate and claim 140hp

0-60 = 7.71, extremly accurate, not based on weight or anything...cool beans

peace
mark

 
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did you get a 1/4 mile time out of it?

 
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So basically it said that a AEM CAI and the DC TCS got you approximately 23 Horses ??

 
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i think what im trying to say is that our cars are faster then we expect!......we were very honest with the weight we entered for the HP results.....so that may be off, but it cant be off my tooooo much

0-60 is based on acceleration over time, so that is exact

7.71 with 2ppl and a half tank of gas.....

 
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theres no way in hell that you can get that time, in your car, with intake and exhaust, and without spraying, and CERTAINLY not with a passenger, no way in hell, its simply bs, the GTECH is not THAT inaccurate...

 
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why would i lie? i have nothing to brag about!?

i sware on my mothers life my 0-60 was 7.71!

and yes, the 0-60 is extremly acurate

 
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how is that so much BS? if a magazine (can't remember which one) got 7.9 in a stock EX it's possible.

 
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i read 8.4 stock, which means like 8.7-8.9

i used to own a g-tech and ran it alot in my truck, and i got times in the 6's and times in the 9's

they can be off by alot by simply not being mounted on the windshield correctly, if the display doesn't read .01 before you launch then it can be off by alot, also, if it isn't mounted correctly(e.g. Loose) then it can jolt when you launch, and that can mess it up, i ran my s-10 over 40 times and never EVER saw the same time. I did get close sometimes but never the same, which is acceptable, but for it to vary by that much means you have to run quite a few times to get real results.

and im sorry but there is no way you knocked off even a second with intake and exhaust, esp. with a passenger.

 
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That 7.71 time actually soungs accurate. i did it ghetto style with a stopwatch once and got around 7.5-8.0 sec.

 
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I agree. Also, a reason that our 0-60 sucks so much is because you need to shift to 3rd just before 60. At least for EX/Si's, becuase of our Higher final drive. Just thought I'd point that out.

 
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yah somethin dosnt sound right... I got Greddy EVO catback and AEM intake and in no where does it feel like the power of My Civic Si Stock. (150hp is hella close to 160). Also if that 7.7 sec 0-60 time is accurate thats terrible for the new 2k2 Si considering that its only .2 seconds faster considering it runs 7.5

 
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Neo, you have an Auto EX. also, the power delivery is much more linear in the 7th gen cars. so they actually feel slower than older civics (I thought my car was slower than my sisters CX hatch, but it's actually way faster).

 
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Stick dosnt have that much over auto. And fact of the matter still is that if that is correct the EX is only .2 secs slower than the new Si.

 
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that 0-60 time may be accurate.. but i thik the whp number is way off.. if you're doing 140-150hp at the wheels, that means u've gained at least 30hp from just intake and exhaust? i dont think so.. plus you'd be running closer to the old si times, in the low 7s.. considering it was also about 140ish hp to the wheels..
and.. yeaa the new si aint dat fast.. its carrying 2700+ pounds on 160hp compared to the 2400 or so pounds of the old si..

 
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I agree with Neo here, stick only presides over auto if the driver is good, and you will really only see a difference if the driver is very good.

Not much of a sport model that new Si if its only .2 faster than an ex.

 
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Kion its very possible considering the hyperwhites and shift **** [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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Im not sayin mww is lyin, im just sayin that machine has to be puttin out Inaccurate numbers, scottie also made the point that with that HP it should be giving it low 7 sec times- everything just dont add up

 
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well i dunno bout the hp, but taking a year of college phyics, i've learned that if the scale is zeroed, then the reading should be right. because it's just a formula then. newton's second law i believe f=ma

 
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neo. I've raced an Auto 2k1 Si, and I deystroyed it, I didn't think I was that good a driver either. but it was like 2-3 car lengths, at around 60mph, from a dead stop.

An Auto Acura 1.7EL turns 0-60 times of high 9s, which is a lot slower than even 8.4

 
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<< yeaa the new si aint dat fast.. its carrying 2700+ pounds on 160hp compared to the 2400 or so pounds of the old si.. >>



edit, first of all thats a little off, by "old" im assuming you mean the 6th gen Si, at the MOST the new Si weighs 140lbs heavier, not 300+ as you mention..

but, so what? with TWO passengers, his car is essentially the same weight as a new si with only a driver, yet he claims that with intake and exhaust, he manages ONLY .2 seconds behind while overcoming the following shortcomings of a 7th gen EX versus a 7th gen Si:

-a wider geared transmission, not helpful for 0-60

-a 15lbs-ft and 30hp disadvantage

-higher drivetrain loss, this is important to point out as you all seem to forget that the new si has ELECTRICAL steering, as in, NO power drain from the most draining accessory you can have on a car that runs all the time (second only to a/c, which does not run all the time)

how can you explain those results?

 
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i'm sorry to disappoint you but from the new site honda just put up civicsi.honda.com the new si is hauling 2744 pounds.. with the engine at 160hp @ 6500rpm and 132tq @ 5000 rpm
but yea.. i'd say his G-TEch is off the mark.. esp on the WHP ratings.. the 7.7 time MIGHT be possible, but the 140WHP is quite a bit off.

 
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scott, the new si is 2744, the 6th gen is either 2601 or 2612, less than 140 lbs difference, i only used it as a frame of reference cuz everyone else did [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] hehe

 
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ooH i didnt kno the old si was 2600lbs .. i always thought it'd be lighter than ours..hehe

 
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and it is how u drive a stick.
i raced a firebird that was a stick and beat his ***...not by alot but i beat him.

 
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Alright......sure. Well, I happen to have a Gtech pro and I ran it last night to see if the readings were even close. It was @45 degrees last night (nice, cool, dense air) and the best HP reading I got was 96 hp. Now, my car is completely stock, except for suspension work and wheels. (The wheels are relatively light weighing in at just over 17lbs each minus the rubber.) It's a five speed EX with a claimed 127 at the flywheel. Personally, I felt like I was getting a low reading, because a 30 hp driveline loss is massive especially on a five speed. But if you're getting 140-150 hp at the wheels I'll have to say ...cough.. bullsh1t..cough!!!

Maybe you guys didn't dial in the vehicle weight correctly. My car weighs 2482 lbs(according to the Doc. of Origin), plus me (195 lbs.) so I was getting readings based on a 2677 weight. Just for giggles I took some readings with a dial in weight of 4500 lbs., even then all I could get for hp was 135. (With a higher vehicle weight the GTECH will think that a very heavy car is accelerating at the same rate as your light car, thus implying a greater HP)

 
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Damn....look what that G-Tech stirred up...: )

But I agree, our cars are faster than we give them credit for. I have an Auto EX Coupe, with an AEM SRI and DC 4-1 Headers, and that's it so far, and when I punch it at the 4000 RPM mark and that VTEC kicks in, it throws me back in my seat. Why, I don't know.....maybe my car is possesed. : ) Can't wait to get my exhaust and pulleys......then I will feel it even more !! I raced a 99 Si about a month ago, and he beat me, but the front of my car was at his back window, so he didn't beat me by much, not even a car length and he had a Tenzo Exhaust...and I think nothing else......so who knows.

 
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Old Si was around 2500 from what source are you pullin only 140lbs difference? And of course you can always take stuff out

also Antidote, that dude mustve not known how to drive stick. My friend has a 2k1 Auto EX with AEM SRI, Greddy EVO catback and headers and I took him by a car and half from a dead stop STOCK.

 
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Old Si was around 2500 from what source are you pullin only 140lbs difference? And of course you can always take stuff out

also Antidote, that dude mustve not known how to drive stick. My friend has a 2k1 Auto EX with AEM SRI, Greddy EVO catback and headers and I took him by a car and half from a dead stop STOCK.

 
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the hp rating is deffinatly off if tou look at the instructions it says to take the weight of the vehicle subtract 150 lbs for each passenger that car is rated for ie 5 passenger car subtract 750 and then add drivers weight
and punch that # in as weight
a friend of mine used it on his Neon last summer and for got to subtract the 750 and came up with a reading of like 350hp at the wheels 8 sec 0-60 I think is possible with bolt ons with an EX stick

 
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the hp rating is deffinatly off if tou look at the instructions it says to take the weight of the vehicle subtract 150 lbs for each passenger that car is rated for ie 5 passenger car subtract 750 and then add drivers weight
and punch that # in as weight
a friend of mine used it on his Neon last summer and for got to subtract the 750 and came up with a reading of like 350hp at the wheels 8 sec 0-60 I think is possible with bolt ons with an EX stick