scion tc offer more value/features than just the civic?
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As far as coupes go, the Tc is just too hard to ignore. It has the engine of the best selling car in America. It has the looks of a car that is easily twice it's price. (a couple of posts ago, it was compared to a BMW and tibby, I've also heard it compared looks wise to a G35 coupe) I think it is right where the coupe market should be, slightly more expensive then the average compact sedan especially with all the options, but still competative enough at a base price.
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Originally Posted by dre2600
A base Corolla is cheap as hell, esp. used, but they're boring boring cars.
That's exactly the reason Toyota came up with the Scion name. People think of Toyota as being dependable, but never exciting. "Scion" is a new brand name that they can build on, with no previous baggage.
Personally, I think of Corollas and Camrys as appliances; you might as well just stick a "Maytag" badge on there. I might be wrong, but that's just public perception.
Luckily, Honda doesn't have that problem.
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Rep Power: 0 i would have baught a scion tc if i had the cash...it had tuner parts availible the second it was released to the public... our civic still doesnt have a big name released turbo/ supercharger kit... and its been out for 4 years
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Originally Posted by orion_squall
If Toyota can release car with cheaper price while fully keep the Toyota quality, they they would not need Scion. It would be under Toyota name insdtead.
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Originally Posted by Kizuel
Realistically the tC isn't a step up from a Civic, you'll still be driving it around wishing you had a STi or G35 coupe.
um, Yea it is... But your biased, Because your prob own one, i have owned a 04 Civic to, and This thing is Deff a Step up from the Vic, in every way, IMO
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Originally Posted by orion_squall
If Toyota can release car with cheaper price while fully keep the Toyota quality, they they would not need Scion. It would be under Toyota name insdtead.
yeah the same with acura, infinity and lexus too right
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Originally Posted by Jasonb
um, Yea it is... But your biased, Because your prob own one, i have owned a 04 Civic to, and This thing is Deff a Step up from the Vic, in every way, IMO
are you saying that the 04 vic is better than the 02?
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Originally Posted by watermelonman
Where's the 2ZZ?
It's a twodoorCamry.
Sorry, the suroof, glowing lights, and TRD-optional disco ball just aren't much cause for excitement.
It's a twodoorCamry.
Sorry, the suroof, glowing lights, and TRD-optional disco ball just aren't much cause for excitement.
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Originally Posted by mrchowmein
things to excite the ricers. no one is gonna buy the tc for the same reasons as a civic. they are totally different cars. If you want to have an economical car to drive around in, youre gonna get a civic. If want a bigger engine and some toys for the ricers, then youre gonna get the TC, thats what the TC is marketed towards, while the civic's claim to fame as a commuter friendly car. the obvious thing that most ppl talk about when we compare a civic to a tc is the engine. The TC has more power, of course that is true, but then the Altima has more power too and you could buy its for around $17k. But we never hear ppl compare them...
Ricers? Or tuners. Ricers are the kids with Samurai decals on their tC. Scion tC has much better aftermarket then the civic. You get reliabity with both cars. You get an awesome economy car that looks good too with the civic that will last you 250,000 miles.
Altima is friggin ugly in my opinion. And the MSRP starts at $19,200 with only 15 more horsepower
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Rep Power: 0 yes scion is a subsidery company but that does not make it a toyota. the tc has the camry engine in it. the transmission is just regeared to make it more sporty. dang nice car. i would definetely take on over the civic if youare lookin at power and looks.
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Originally Posted by philsep36
yes scion is a subsidery company but that does not make it a toyota. the tc has the camry engine in it. the transmission is just regeared to make it more sporty. dang nice car. i would definetely take on over the civic if youare lookin at power and looks.
I don't understand your reasoning behind this. What makes it not Toyota?
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Originally Posted by philsep36
yes scion is a subsidery company but that does not make it a toyota. the tc has the camry engine in it. the transmission is just regeared to make it more sporty. dang nice car. i would definetely take on over the civic if youare lookin at power and looks.
but see,
IT IS A TOYOTA....Everything in it is From toyota, lol the same people that made the toyota's, made this car, The badge is just marketing, when it comes down to it..
*This is really not THAT hard to figure out..
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Originally Posted by QBoi
Ricers? Or tuners. Ricers are the kids with Samurai decals on their tC. Scion tC has much better aftermarket then the civic. You get reliabity with both cars. You get an awesome economy car that looks good too with the civic that will last you 250,000 miles.
Altima is friggin ugly in my opinion. And the MSRP starts at $19,200 with only 15 more horsepower
Altima is friggin ugly in my opinion. And the MSRP starts at $19,200 with only 15 more horsepower
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Originally Posted by mrchowmein
I was referring to the purpose of the car in reguards to toyota/scion. as in how do they market these cars. so i brought up ricers? the tc was not marketed as "go get some aftermarket parts for this car". the car was marketed as "buy some of our toyota toys we call tuner parts". just becuause a car has after market support dthat doesnt change the marketing strategy of the manufacturer. 6th gen civics had a lot of after market tuner support and a lot of rice support, but Honda didnt promote their car in either those genres. However... the TC on the other hand was made for the "fast and the furious" generation. and Why did i bring up the altima? cuz one could get it in the same price range as the TC. the MSRPs dont match, but thats only becuase of the Scion's marketing strategy of no price haggling. So what am i saying, Toyota is marketing some rice, if one really compared actual features to price ratio, cars such as altimas should be considered.
Toyota's Strategy Was not to be "Fast and furious" The Super charger is not even out yet. The Designer's of The TC, Took Poll's and did Study's on what young Potential Buyers would want in a Car,
Out of those poll's and Study's They find out that most People 18-29 wanted the 3 series, Audi A4, and G35's...They also found out, people wanted Quicker car's, more Luxury Feature's, and Very Stylish look's, and potential to customize. They took those main ideas, and made a Stylish luxury Type coupe, and did it all with out a 35-45k-price sticker.
This Design was To Give young buyers more options under 20k, And to do it with more Style,Luxury, Then the current market of 15-23isk K Car's.
im not comparing the TC to An Audi, The TC is a nice car, but its not a 50k car.
With what they came up with, and did this all in a 14month period...
I think they mastered it...
Also: This is all public knowledge, if people took the time to Actually Read ****,
Everyone would know this.
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gas is close to $2.40 a gallon for regular down here. im sure glad my vic is getting 32 mpg
gas is close to $2.40 a gallon for regular down here. im sure glad my vic is getting 32 mpg
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Originally Posted by QBoi
Uh no. 
doooooooooooooooddddd
you didnt think i was serious? the TC is a dope lookin car one of the best to come out for the tuner market in a while why is everyone hateing on it....?
i mean you guys are acctually saying that it isnt reliable or compareing it to the civic's reliability... theyve only been out for a year and i havent heard much if not any negative press about them...refer to this thread for the answer>>>>http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=206518
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Originally Posted by acidbaby
doooooooooooooooddddd you didnt think i was serious?
the TC is a dope lookin car one of the best to come out for the tuner market in a while why is everyone hateing on it....?
refer to this thread for the answer>>>>http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=206518
you didnt think i was serious? the TC is a dope lookin car one of the best to come out for the tuner market in a while why is everyone hateing on it....?
refer to this thread for the answer>>>>http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=206518
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Originally Posted by blue2k2ex
....Look in the past when other parent companies have released cars under a different name you don't see too many of these cars on the road anymore....
Lexus, Acura, Infiniti? 
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Originally Posted by Jasonb
Also: This is all public knowledge, if people took the time to Actually Read ****,
Everyone would know this.
i guess you havnt actually read what Scion/Toyota puts on their site... Yes they took polls and yes they designed their cars based on their results... but what car company doesnt. But now back to why i said they are marketing rice. On the Scion site, theres the FAQ section. In the FAQ section, Scion states they sell numerous amounts of accessories becuase of a survey they took that 50% of compact car users who modify their cars spend more than $3000 modifying their car. you are right, they dont even have the TRD supercharger out. So what are they selling? They are selling accessories some would consider rice such as "sport mufflers" and "ground effects". and you mention i didnt know the meaning of "market". To market an item is to sell an item. So Scion is selling (marketing), accessories, not tuner parts. Next time go to a Scion dealership and listen to their marketing pitch, they of course will tell you how good the value of the car is, but then they drag you in by telling you about how great their accessories are and how they are covered under warranty. This technique used is nothing new to Toyota. Sell at a low price then add on accessories and options. Only difference Scion makes compared to Toyota is no price haggling and the ability to accessories to a high degree with factory parts.
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Originally Posted by acidbaby
the TC is a dope lookin car one of the best to come out for the tuner market in a while
Scion is great for people who want a load of warrenty-protected blue LEDs, 7 plasma screens, and electro-hydraulically operating automatic expanding dance floors.
Scion sucks rocks for anyone who wants to go fast. I wouldn't be surprised if the supercharger option was a joke or marketing hoax to begin with. I'm sure that Toyota engineers have known for many years that it takes much more than a constant 5psi stream to make a Camry actually fun to drive.
