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you just don't know.....but you have every right to believe in what u want...just like I do. But I know the facts and an 05 STi is a much better car.

 
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^^^ lmao, personal opinion... but my OPINION sides w/ the evo. I mean, I can't be the only one, every other magazine (including playboy and SCC) named the evoMR (all o5 evos) car of the year for the 2nd year in the row. I see them on almost every car magazine, it's praised in japan more than the sTI. It ran 55secs @ tsukuba track course, fastest time ever on that track & the o5 MR w/ less HP/TRQ still manages to dyno higher than the o5 sTI, runs a faster 0-60 and a pretty close 1/4th... BUT, that's just my personal opinion

 
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the 4G63 is a dinosaur......I'll leave it there for now...I have no time to write alot...gotta get back to work...however I will get back to this lovely discussion.

 
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ok....the cars were purposely built to compete....hell they weight exactly the same...but number crunch all you want....the EVO depends on a computer to handle and take that out and all you have is a big $38,000 piece of ****. IMO its ugly and laggy. Enjoy being a EVO fan. Oh yeah how can a car with less HP dyno higher than another...that makes sense. Post up some real proof. I researching now. I got something for you. From back in the day.BRB.

 
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yeah...there are no comparative reviews of the 05 STi yet.....just the 04's and they are junk compared to the new STi...just a reminder.

 
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[/QUOTE]Prove it. You won't be able to touch it. My best friend has an 05 STi with the GP Moto Stage 1 kit. Intake, Equal length headers, turbo-back exhaust and pre-programmed piggy. Guarantees 370 ft lbs tq to the ground and 350 whp. We checked it on the wideband and its running perfect. The car is a beast. Go to clubRSX and watch the topgear video on the EVO vs Lambo. The guy cuts the EVO down so bad. It even gets beat by a FIAT on a runway from a top gear roll race. 1.7 miles later the FIAT beat the EVO cause it couldn't even get into boost. 05 STi tranny handles 600 TQ nonstop. The rods and crank are forged and the pistons are a new thermal coated hypertech pistion that were tested against forged pistons and they held up longer and better. Yes they come in a USDM STi motor. The rally teams are actually using those pistons instead. You couldnt build a better car. EVO/MR has nothing on a 05 STI. Try gettin a EVO MR...only made 1,000 and none more. Ever.
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First off Titleist71, I DIDN'T say anything about the STI tranny. If you would have read what I said instead of skimming through it, it says that about the WRX. I also didn't say that I would make an EVO faster than a STI for the same price. I said that I could build an Eclipse GSX for less money than a STOCK sti and thats because I have done it before. Im not basing what I'm writing here on the b.s. that can be read in the mags. I'm basing this off of my own personal experience. I built a GSX that would smoke a stock STI in 0-60 time, quarter mile time, 60ft. time......not only that, it handled with the best of them and brakes with the best of them, all of this for only 23k including the initial cost of the car. Now if my math is correct, thats more than 10k less than your beloved STI. I would bet that your friends STI with this "GP Moto Stage 1 kit" (and I'm sure this kit isn't cheap) is still slower. Before the STI and Evo were even around here in the states the GSX was a very successful rally car in SCCA rally events. The STI isn't as high and mighty as you make it out to be.

 
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yes it is. very high and mighty. I was just telling you about the tranny. Now....You would never be able to build a car that handles and performs like a stock STi. Outperform at that too.Bring that car you built and we will race on a course and on a track. I wanna see the thing. Go drive a new STi, stock and you will rethink the whole thing. I'll let you know this. You aren't allowed to rev over 3500 on the test drive or you lose the right to continue the test drive. So you wont see the full potential of the car.

"I built a GSX that would smoke a stock STI in 0-60 time, quarter mile time, 60ft. time......not only that, it handled with the best of them and brakes with the best of them, all of this for only 23k including the initial cost of the car. Now if my math is correct, thats more than 10k less than your beloved STI."
I don't believe it for a second. But sure..whatever you say. I'm gonna post this on http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/ and see the reaction...

 
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11.8 in the quarter mile would smoke your STI. As far as handling goes, I don't have a "laguna Seca" track time to give to you. I can tell you that It had JIC FLT-A2 coilovers, urethane bushings, Front and rear sway bars, AP racing 13"/4 piston front brake kit, AEM big brake upgrade in the back, LSD in the front center and rear. It had about 200 lbs shaved off as well. It would take the stock STI and for less money.

 
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Sorry.Ima tough one to fool.Still don't believe you. Even with all that fancy shmancy stuff it still doesn't compare to the technology and quality of an 05 STi. STi built the car not subaru....it is precise and tuned. Numbers mean nothing to me....especially with no dyno charts, video's (of you driving). When we go make a few pulls to get some #'s I'll post em. No need to tune it..it's perfect.

 
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Either 4G63 is going to be a good performer with a solid aftermarket behind it.

 
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my opinion sides with Subaru.....

 
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Titleist71, we boys and all but...

I agree and disagree. The STi is a better balanced machine, so hats off to that. The car is perfectly symetrical (sp) with the engine, tranny, and chassis. It's almost perfectly balanced. The Evo is not. The Evo though, is not well balance but uses and active computer system to make up for it. Sure it's not as balanced, but it still outhandles the STi, just not by much.

If the Evo was worse, why did the guy who did the review on the STi vs Evo buy an Evo? He even drove both the new MR and the STi, and said the new MR is a lot better than the older Evo, and the STi is a little better than the older STi. The new STi spools slightly sooner, and has a little less power, because of the detonation from the 04. The Evo is making more power than before, with a flatter torque curve.

I still like the Evo. And the new Evo 9 will be even better. STi and Evo are both man's cars. They rock the market either way, but for all out racing, the MR at the moment is still outperforming the STi. IT spools hard at 3K, what's to worry about lag? The gears are so short you're usually up over 4-4.5k the whole time anyway?

Both can be built to beat anything on the road.

My friend and I built a race setup GSX, with all those mods I'd say it's still very hard to ever beat an Evo or STi on the track. You need to tune the suspension and braking even more than the engine. Turbotrix racing got their DAILY DRIVER evo setup for some reliable drag launches. They ran a 9.45@143mph. They haven't had a problem with the car yet.

Not bad in my books.

 
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i'll say evo because ive driven one before but i haven driven an sti so i have no clue how fast it really is from the evo the gsx is old an outdated. probalby a evo v and a old wrx against the gsx would be a fair comparisson

 
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The car that I built was for a friend/customer of mine. He has the dyno sheets/time slips, etc. My argument is based on best bang for the buck. The car I built would run high 11's all day long on an Arizona 100 degree day. Which according to the times that every mag that has tested the STi, this GSX is faster for less money. I cant justify spending 10k more for a car that is slower. 10k is a lot of money to add to a bill. I never had the chance to see the car on the road course before he moved out of state. I did drive it quite a few times and it does handle exceptionally well compared to a lot of other sports cars that I have driven. This argument is rediculous.

 
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Mad..I just saw your post..haven't read it yet..but right away I started smiling in anticipation to what your gonna say...heheheheh.brb.

 
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Nice post Mad, as always, your a gracious young fellow.

Your argument ridiculous. Your rational and reasoning is repulsive. I apologize but it is. You CAN NOT build a car that will perform as well as an EVO OR STI for the same price. Are you stupid? What kind of products are you using, stolen? Your argument is based on best bang for the buck????Whats a EVO cost? Whats a STi cost? You couldn't even go buy the stock products piece by piece and assemble the things for the MSRP. Come on man. No way. Great build a car that can outperform a STI....GOOD! But it's going to cost you alot more than $32,000 STi MRSP....$38,000 EVO MR MSRP.

 
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All the cars are great and if dump enough money, any of them will be fast.

As for a stock STI handling better than a tuned car... A WELL tuned car will kill any stock car any day. Take a look at Progress, they have a del Sol that pulls 1.01g's, and that thing has a removable top!!! Point is if a put an stock '05 Sti up agianst a GSX with a TRACK TUNED suspension, the STI is gonna loose. However if you don't care about money, get the STI and pay a top end tuner to tune it and you will dominate. Personally, a well tuned GSX is enough for me, I highly doubt I could use the GSX to it's fullest potential on the roads by me any way. SO what's the point in spending the extra 10K or what ever it cost? Just my .02

 
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Every car in production is worth less than the sum of it's parts....

 
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All the parts are either new or used from forums, ebay, or just connections (not those "hot" connections) My argument is valid because I have done this first hand. Have you???? I sourced all the parts. I installed them. Tell me were your logic is coming from? Have you built this car b4? Do you have the STi yet? It sound to me like you get your info from that biased forum that you posted the link up earier.

 
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Maybe you pay full price for after market stuff.... But I don't think it would cost more than 25G for a fully built GSX... Assuming you know what you are doing. What drives up the cost is that people try one thing, don't like, sell it buy something else. I know people who have bought 5 different sets of springs for the cars and then say it costs so much to mod a car... If they just did some searching thing could find what works with what and save them selves alot of money.

But say he bought the car for 10G, You think he couldn't run 11's after putting 14G into it? I helped a guy tha ran 11's in a civic and only put 5G into the motor in a civic, granted it made use of a heavy shot of Nitrous (which was 1,500) but it still ran 11's. Point is there are ways to go fast that are cheap.

 
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Arith I do not understand why you think you have the gozanga's to insert yourself and your inert comments into threads. I dont care for your stupid opinion or your mouth nor your comments. Keep them to yourself. Your a member of a Honda forum and you call me a fanboy, yet at the same time your the "self-proclaimed" mitsubishi Fan-Boy. Im sorry to burst some bubbles but reading a few road and tracks, watching some downloaded episodes of top gear and looking at some imports racing, doesnt and never will give any of your statements any validity, Please before you talk non-sense and come and attack me and fellow members take your head out of your *** and see the daynight. Its because of people like you, internet tough guys, that these forums are full of RUDE and INCONSIDERATE people. All people like you do is flame yet when you need help or you state your opinion you expect all eyes to be on you and for everyone to give way to their own opinions, for yours is so much more important and valid. Im sorry, but you are greatly mistaken. Say what you want, I have many friends on this board, and you know how i got them? I respect peoples opinions, I dont even think you respect yourself.

 
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It was a 95 2nd gen purchased for 8500.

 
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I would be happy with an STI or an EVO but If i had to I would take the STI, i Just never though of Mitusbishi as a good company, But I will admit my opinion is biased, so that cancels out the GSX even though when i was a kid I sweated that car.

 
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Mitsubishi does suck as far as reliability is concerned. They are rattle traps. There is always something to be fixed on them. Im sure that the Evo will be the same way in a few years. The SRT-4, another example. Its fast and all but its a flippin' Neon. Neons suck. They fall apart. Mitsubishi is almost the same thing. Im not talking about reliabily. All I said is that I can build a faster car for less money. I do believe 23k is less than 33k. Agreed? Also I beleive that high 11's is faster than the low 13's that the STi runs. Argument over.

 
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wheres the VR-4

 
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The VR-4 is pretty cool.....Its just EXTREMELY heavy. I believe 4000+ lbs.

 
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all your talking about is a drag car.....I have no doubt that you can build a car that will run 11's in the 1/4 for less than a stock STI. I can get a Geo Metro to run 11's.....anybody can. All around the STi is a better car....end of discussion.

 
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The EVo requires a special computer to control the suspension. Sti doesn't. You may be able to build a car (GSX)that goes fast in a straight line, yes, thats what the eclipse/gsx/talon was built for. Your talking alot of hours and money into tuning just the suspension to match the STi/EVO. Now what about the drivetrain? GSX tranny isn't even comparable to an STi. Where are you gonna get technology to match it? And when u do your gonna spend alot. Sti drivetrains go for $12,000 new. Sti motors are $7-9,000 new. Suspension? I'm guessing to get something to outhandle an STi/EVO your looking at $7-10,000. You still won't have what the Sti has from the factory. And your gonna waste all that money and time to make a car handle like that? Just buy the STi. Your talking about building a car that goes 11's in the 1/4. that's a total different car from an STi/EVO. I could put another 8,000 into my EM2 and go low11's. but it s a straight line deal......bottom line is on a whindy back road you won't be able to keep up with a STi/EVO unless you spend $40,000 in aftermarket parts.Then to tune it and get it right. Come on. Reread your initial post.....

 
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It might beat it but it will cost you tons of money for what? To say you beat a STi with a GSX? I'll stick with my stock STi. Thanks.

 
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^^^ The funny thing is.......u talk this much in real life