lkm

kinda explains why Honda's are also non performance. The founder wanted to be a racer but ended up crashing. anyways, he designed motocyles and change the motorcyle world as we know it. Also, Honda has the record of most motorcyles sold with over 30 million Cubs and Supercubs sold.

feel free to add some honda history

D17thgen

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i still see 80's honda civic models when they were 4wd (unless they were falsely badged) on the road in california..
shows their reliability if you can take care of them

lkm

huh, vics used to be awd??

xgimmick

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were you watching the speed channel tonight too ?

lkm

not speed. all i saw on it was ride on, i was watching history channel Boy's Toys about motorcycles. And the first person/company they went indepth with was Honda, no harley davidson but honda.

D17thgen

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yup, such as the 1987 honda civic wagon. awd was an option i believe.

S2000man01

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non performance? you mean as in like, CART dominating, F1 engine manufacturing, 1500hp V12 engine-making, non performance?

or were you talking about nsx and S2000 type non-performance.

wrussi

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probably non performance on street cars, but on CART and F1 they make some of the best engines

Ramones

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The civic wagon was called the "wagovan". Saw one on the road a couple years back.

Grumble

I might be mistaken, but the first model Hondas were powered by non other than motorcycle engines. I always thought that was sort of odd.....

2K1Civic17"Gabe

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some cool info. I see the wagons driving in AZ every once and a while. There are still a good amount of them running

Draven2

Honda also made a car with rear wheel steering. it wasn't full control rear wheel but it was still there. I think it was an accord or something. There's a girl in my area that has one.

CivicsRdBest

Honda was the first Japanese company to bring in a luxery company under a new name to compete against the German marques that already had a foothold in Amerian territory.

Honda has kept its secret of refreshing and redesigning cars towards what the market wants and has been doing it so long that they have the second best selling midsized car and the best selling compact car in America.

Honda's racing technology has made its way into street cars. Fuel economy, reliability, and high-revving naturally aspirated engines are just some of the things common in most Honda cars.

fuzzylogic426

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the prelude's came with 4WS (1994). im not sure about the accord's tho.

Draven2

^^^Ok that's right it was the prelude I couldn't remember. I heard that they stopped because people were running up on curbs or something.

thiscrackerntam

The 4WS was also offered in the 1989 Prelude.

thiscrackerntam

The reason why you're not getting the performance that you would like right out of the box is because you're not spending enough money. In case you didnt notice, hondas are NOT the cheapest cars around pricewise.

_Viper_

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Sheeeshhhhhhhhhh first of all it was in 1988 ....The Prelude Si had a little badge on the bottom of the window pillar that said 4WS and thats when it came out. Also the first and second generation preludes had Hoods that would open up from the windshield i thought it was very kool in my 85 lude..Mine had 100hp and 100 feet of torque...

_Viper_

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Oh yeah and BTW my 85 Lude kicked my 2005 Civic Si's (Ex0 ***)
I miss that car sooooooooo much man

ctv

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The first Honda Company was building very reliable engine parts for Toyota. Toyota bought the company (cause they can build reliable **** on their own) and then Honda got into motorcycles and automobiles.

I will trust honda engineering over any other auto maker especially Toyota


Also, anyone in Honda's management structure has an Enginering degree, most in other automobile companies like Toyota are MBA's (Masters of Business Adminstration)

wrussi

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i just found this about honda long but worth the reading http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=308036
if you think about it honda realizes that having enviroment friendly cars is more important than hp numbers i would feel proud if i owned an insight or a civid hybrid, at least i know im putting in my grain of sand you know.
when im older and i have a family i'll get me a hybrid

Draven2

I wouldn't mind having a hybrid myself. Only because the new v-6 accord hybrid actually has more horsepower and torque than the standard v-6. 155hp/??lb/ft VS 140hp/??lb/ft

_Viper_

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Yeah isn't that weird in a way.....

fuzzylogic426

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the 1994 one's had them too. Sheeeshhhhhhhh

wrussi

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also another part of honda history that i remembered
honda did make a turbo car from the factory
a limited edition honda legend with a c25a making 240hp made between 1888 and 1989
only like 500 were made and sold only in japan

cambo

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non-performance right?

then Honda shouldn't be making jet-drives for marine application. They also shouldn't be desiging a new jet aircraft. They shouldn't be sticking turbochargers on jet skis. They shouldn't be in F1 cart racing. They shouldn't be making high-revving motors.

Oh wait, they're doing all that already.

who needs 165 horsepower on a jet-ski anyways right?

fuzzylogic426

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First site:
1994 models saw mostly cosmetic and a few interior changes. Exterior modifications were as such: the intake vents near the headlights were modified, as well as bumper lights, wheel styles were changed and the rear spoiler got an LED brake light. The VTEC models received standard leather seating, and the Si and VTEC models got an electroluminescent gauge cluster. It was also the last year 4WS was offered in the North American market, though it continued to be offered up until the last generation of Preludes in the Japanese and European markets.

Second site:
1994 Honda Prelude
2 Door Si 4WS Coupe

Standard Features for this 1994 Honda

4 cyl 2.3 L Engine 4 Wheel Steering
5-Speed Transmission Air Conditioning
Aluminum/Alloy Wheels AM/FM/Cassette Audio System
Antilock Brakes Bucket Seats
Center Console Cruise Control
Digital Clock Dual Front Airbag Restraints
Intermittent Wipers Leather Seats
Power Antenna Power Brakes
Power Door Locks Power Mirrors
Power Steering Power Sunroof
Power Windows Rear Spoiler
Rear Window Defroster Remote Trunk Release
Tachometer Tilt Steering Wheel
Tinted Glass

Specifications for this 1994 Honda

Honda Exterior
Honda Length: 174.8 in. Honda Width: 69.5 in.
Honda Height: 50.8 in. Honda Weight: 2765 lbs.
Honda Wheel Base: 100.4 in. Honda
Honda Interior
Honda Front Head Room: 38 in. Honda Rear Head Room: 35.1 in.
Honda Front Leg Room: 44.2 in. Honda Rear Leg Room: 28.1 in.
Honda Luggage Capacity: 7.9 cu. ft. Honda Maximum Seating: 4

Honda Performance
Honda Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Honda Base Engine Size: 2.3 liters
Honda Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Honda Horsepower: 160 hp
Honda Max Horsepower: 5800 rpm Honda Torque: 156 ft-lbs.
Honda Max Torque: 4500 rpm Honda Drive Type: FWD

Honda Fuel
Honda Fuel Tank Capacity: 15.9 gal.
Honda EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)
Honda Manual: 22 mpg / 26 mpg Honda Automatic: : 22 mpg / 27 mpg
Honda Range in Miles: (City/Highway)
Honda Automatic: 349.8 mi. / 429.3 mi. Honda Manual: 349.8 mi. / 413.4 mi.



oh btw, when i said "the preludes came with 4WS (1994)"...i used 1994 as an example. i did not mean that the first year that preludes came out with four wheel steering started in 1994

ty.barrack

Yeah my little brother's wife has this dinky honda civic, it's all stock about 5 feet long, has I think a 600 CC Motorcycle engine in it, and the stick shift is mounted to the ashtray. It's funny my little Bro and I had to move that thing once he picked up the front I picked up the back, and we carried it about 10 feet to get it out of the way.

sevenplaces

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the predacessor to the civic was the CVCC

exclusive_vtec

all i kno is if u take care of it its very very realiable and i love the gas milegae