Was: My D17 Epiphany--Now: Motor/Turbo Reliability
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Was: My D17 Epiphany--Now: Motor/Turbo Reliability
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
but we know how reliable turbos are in d17's. just ask the many who have sold their kits...
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sleekcivic2004:
Turbo's are as reliable on d17's as any other motor. All it takes is planning, research, balance, and common sense. Do your research and talk to people (shops, honda techs (or techs in general for non-honda), mechanics). If a car is unreliable because of a turbo it caused from lack of patience/parts(availability)/money. Kids, do your research, be patient and save your money to get the parts you need. Have them made if necessary; yes I know it costs more money, but I am on the subject of being reliable. I have had custom vehicles since I was 16. I have got ahead of myself, when I was younger, and not planned/researed things out and what has been the end product? Unreliability!
I'm not pin pointing anybody out. I just thought this was a good quote to offer my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
but we know how reliable turbos are in d17's. just ask the many who have sold their kits...
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sleekcivic2004:
Turbo's are as reliable on d17's as any other motor. All it takes is planning, research, balance, and common sense. Do your research and talk to people (shops, honda techs (or techs in general for non-honda), mechanics). If a car is unreliable because of a turbo it caused from lack of patience/parts(availability)/money. Kids, do your research, be patient and save your money to get the parts you need. Have them made if necessary; yes I know it costs more money, but I am on the subject of being reliable. I have had custom vehicles since I was 16. I have got ahead of myself, when I was younger, and not planned/researed things out and what has been the end product? Unreliability!
I'm not pin pointing anybody out. I just thought this was a good quote to offer my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
Last edited by sleekcivic2004; Dec 2, 2004 at 12:57 PM. Reason: Couldn't tell where my post started
I fail to believe that turbos on a d17 are as reliable as any other motor. if you put a turbo on an n/a motor it puts lots of stress on the motor that it was not made for. 8 or 9 psi are what some of the people on here are running and they have problems.
there are things you can't plan for with a turbo ... you could have your boost set at 6 psi and under bad circumstances, may spike to 20 psi and blow your motor.
a turbo d17 @ 9 psi is going to be a lot less reliable than a stock evo, for example.
research? yes, a lot of people do this. waiting for good parts? I don't know about that. if you're going to wait for good parts, you might as well just wait til you have about $15k saved up, then build your block and head to withstand 15 psi. then let's move to the axles, clutch, transmission. 15 psi and you're gonna break your axles after enough hard launches.
maybe if you run 5 psi and no more (on stock internals), it will be reliable, but who buys a turbo and runs only 5 psi?
there are things you can't plan for with a turbo ... you could have your boost set at 6 psi and under bad circumstances, may spike to 20 psi and blow your motor.
a turbo d17 @ 9 psi is going to be a lot less reliable than a stock evo, for example.
research? yes, a lot of people do this. waiting for good parts? I don't know about that. if you're going to wait for good parts, you might as well just wait til you have about $15k saved up, then build your block and head to withstand 15 psi. then let's move to the axles, clutch, transmission. 15 psi and you're gonna break your axles after enough hard launches.
maybe if you run 5 psi and no more (on stock internals), it will be reliable, but who buys a turbo and runs only 5 psi?
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
I fail to believe that turbos on a d17 are as reliable as any other motor. if you put a turbo on an n/a motor it puts lots of stress on the motor that it was not made for. 8 or 9 psi are what some of the people on here are running and they have problems.
there are things you can't plan for with a turbo ... you could have your boost set at 6 psi and under bad circumstances, may spike to 20 psi and blow your motor.
a turbo d17 @ 9 psi is going to be a lot less reliable than a stock evo, for example.
research? yes, a lot of people do this. waiting for good parts? I don't know about that. if you're going to wait for good parts, you might as well just wait til you have about $15k saved up, then build your block and head to withstand 15 psi. then let's move to the axles, clutch, transmission. 15 psi and you're gonna break your axles after enough hard launches.
maybe if you run 5 psi and no more (on stock internals), it will be reliable, but who buys a turbo and runs only 5 psi?
there are things you can't plan for with a turbo ... you could have your boost set at 6 psi and under bad circumstances, may spike to 20 psi and blow your motor.
a turbo d17 @ 9 psi is going to be a lot less reliable than a stock evo, for example.
research? yes, a lot of people do this. waiting for good parts? I don't know about that. if you're going to wait for good parts, you might as well just wait til you have about $15k saved up, then build your block and head to withstand 15 psi. then let's move to the axles, clutch, transmission. 15 psi and you're gonna break your axles after enough hard launches.
maybe if you run 5 psi and no more (on stock internals), it will be reliable, but who buys a turbo and runs only 5 psi?
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
I fail to believe that turbos on a d17 are as reliable as any other motor. if you put a turbo on an n/a motor it puts lots of stress on the motor that it was not made for. 8 or 9 psi are what some of the people on here are running and they have problems.
there are things you can't plan for with a turbo ... you could have your boost set at 6 psi and under bad circumstances, may spike to 20 psi and blow your motor.
a turbo d17 @ 9 psi is going to be a lot less reliable than a stock evo, for example.
research? yes, a lot of people do this. waiting for good parts? I don't know about that. if you're going to wait for good parts, you might as well just wait til you have about $15k saved up, then build your block and head to withstand 15 psi. then let's move to the axles, clutch, transmission. 15 psi and you're gonna break your axles after enough hard launches.
maybe if you run 5 psi and no more (on stock internals), it will be reliable, but who buys a turbo and runs only 5 psi?
there are things you can't plan for with a turbo ... you could have your boost set at 6 psi and under bad circumstances, may spike to 20 psi and blow your motor.
a turbo d17 @ 9 psi is going to be a lot less reliable than a stock evo, for example.
research? yes, a lot of people do this. waiting for good parts? I don't know about that. if you're going to wait for good parts, you might as well just wait til you have about $15k saved up, then build your block and head to withstand 15 psi. then let's move to the axles, clutch, transmission. 15 psi and you're gonna break your axles after enough hard launches.
maybe if you run 5 psi and no more (on stock internals), it will be reliable, but who buys a turbo and runs only 5 psi?
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Originally Posted by nindoo
I guess If we replaced the internals we could run a crazy amount of boost. To control boost do you need to have a wastegate?
Originally Posted by sleekcivic2004
Yes, you need a wastegate whether it be internal or external. In order to use a boost controller though it needs to be external.
Originally Posted by cdmx
You cant compare a non turbo charged car to a factory turbo charged car...
Originally Posted by sleekcivic2004
Yes, you need a wastegate whether it be internal or external. In order to use a boost controller though it needs to be external.
Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
EXACTLY my point. if you read his first statement, he says "Turbo's are as reliable on d17's as any other motor."
Yea i read that too, but i took from it that he meant other motors that are not factory turbocharged.
right??
But then again no one is ever 100 %
Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
um... I had a turbo w/ an internal wastegate and my boost controller worked ...
I was about to say...WTF is going on here...
this contradicts everything that i have read?? or haven't read??
Originally Posted by sleekcivic2004
Yes, you need a wastegate whether it be internal or external. In order to use a boost controller though it needs to be external.
Originally Posted by cdmx
Yea i read that too, but i took from it that he meant other motors that are not factory turbocharged.
right??
But then again no one is ever 100 %
right??
But then again no one is ever 100 %
Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
^^ if that is the case, then it is still not entirely true. some motors were built stronger than others when running a turbo. for example, a k20 turbo can handle more boost than a b20 turbo
We just love to pick at things here
I get what he generally meant though.....
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Cant we all just be friends and help each other modify our cars.
yea, thats what this site is here for
but to talk about how things work is another story, it seems like no one is ever 100% and someone dissaproves this and that...I say everyones experiences are different. Afterall no engine is Exactly the same.
And i hope my experiences while boosting soon will be in a positve way
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Yes, you need a wastegate whether it be internal or external. In order to use a boost controller though it needs to be external.
dude just about every turbo out there has a internal flapper style wastegate, externals are usually an upgrade..because they can be controlled BETTER...i personally know that all digital boost controllers have a switch for selecting external or internal wastegate, so that statement is false
Yes, you need a wastegate whether it be internal or external. In order to use a boost controller though it needs to be external.
dude just about every turbo out there has a internal flapper style wastegate, externals are usually an upgrade..because they can be controlled BETTER...i personally know that all digital boost controllers have a switch for selecting external or internal wastegate, so that statement is false
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All I can is that I have always been a Honda person. I mod my civic because it makes me happy even though my girl wishes I had a less expensive hobby..lol. Honestly though, if the D17 that I have under my hood was made primarily for fuel economy, will working on the engine really make the engine faster or will it just ruin the engine since it wasn't built for racing?
Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
hope you're not planning on going sfNo, custom
Ive decided to stretch out getting everything
But most everything will be bought in janurary.
Fuel system stuff and tuning will be my only issues and having to find a proper place to tune and what all to have for a perfectly working fuel system that wont cost me half the turbo kit.
