K&N gets OWNED again!! Possible alternatives inside...
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K&N gets OWNED again!! Possible alternatives inside...
This is becoming a big mess. K&N is feeding us false advertising claims just to sell their filters. Here is their response to all the questions about their crappy filter, and they respond with lies.
http://www.thedieselstop.com/content...20The%20Editor
Now here is a REAL test conducted with extremely expensive equipment and detail. The truth comes out once again!
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...;f=15;t=000265
Now I really want to try the K&N intake again, but using their filter is unacceptable. I did some searching and found an alternative cotton media filter that seems to far surpass K&N. Check it out and let me know what you think. So far I've heard that the new filter has a better design, thicker media, and better construction overall.
http://www.sbfilters.com/products/index.htm
http://www.intenseperformance.com/pr...e_filters.html
The only thing is gonna be to get one that matches the fipk filter demensions. Can someone with a fipk please measure the filter opening?
http://www.thedieselstop.com/content...20The%20Editor
Now here is a REAL test conducted with extremely expensive equipment and detail. The truth comes out once again!
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...;f=15;t=000265
Now I really want to try the K&N intake again, but using their filter is unacceptable. I did some searching and found an alternative cotton media filter that seems to far surpass K&N. Check it out and let me know what you think. So far I've heard that the new filter has a better design, thicker media, and better construction overall.
http://www.sbfilters.com/products/index.htm
http://www.intenseperformance.com/pr...e_filters.html
The only thing is gonna be to get one that matches the fipk filter demensions. Can someone with a fipk please measure the filter opening?
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Rep Power: 811 Well the actual intake design is good for 5whp peak. Using the new filters I linked, airflow would increase even more over the K&N.
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Originally Posted by Arcan3
k&N sucks ***... theres a review on hondatuning mag... from a while ago... and one of their short rams gives -9hp on the rsx
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Well the actual intake design is good for 5whp peak. Using the new filters I linked, airflow would increase even more over the K&N.
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Rep Power: 811 What gets me is how K&N keeps saying blah blah our filters are 99% efficient. What they're not telling you is how poorly the filter works when new. It's actually BELOW oem standards of 96% filtration out of the box. That's unacceptable.
Additionally, these 2 were tested using FINE test dust. The K&N was cleaned and retested, the AFE was the conical version:
K&N 89.85%
AFE Conical 92.33%
K&N 89.85%
AFE Conical 92.33%
kinda makes u wonder.. i was just hinking about taking my stock intake box and boring it out.. lol... smooth everything in there and use metal pipes to connect everything instead of the oval plastic pipe used then route it out to get some cold air
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Rep Power: 811 Well that new filter I posted seems like it's just made better. When you hold it to the light, you don't see all those holes like K&N has. Plus the design is better.
xproductionz, the stock resonator doesn't affect flow velocity much. It's function is to harmonically oscillate the air to the intake pulse, thus reducing noise. The key to a good intake is having piping about as wide as the TB opening. You want more velocity, but also more volume. It's a tradeoff between the two. Since most aftermarket systems only yield a few hp, the stock setup must be pretty good.
I'm curious as to how a fipk will perform with the S&B velocity stack filter on it. Having a filter that flows and filters better plus the intake piping that's not too big.
xproductionz, the stock resonator doesn't affect flow velocity much. It's function is to harmonically oscillate the air to the intake pulse, thus reducing noise. The key to a good intake is having piping about as wide as the TB opening. You want more velocity, but also more volume. It's a tradeoff between the two. Since most aftermarket systems only yield a few hp, the stock setup must be pretty good.
I'm curious as to how a fipk will perform with the S&B velocity stack filter on it. Having a filter that flows and filters better plus the intake piping that's not too big.
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K&N lied about filtering ability--an independent test showed how much they suck.
Don't use K&N. They work even worse when new. They can't filter dirt less than 5 microns in size.
S&B makes filters that perform better than K&N. Old company, but not as well known. Filters are thicker, flow more air, filter better, and have velocity stack. Many sizes available to replace K&N.
K&N lied about filtering ability--an independent test showed how much they suck.
Don't use K&N. They work even worse when new. They can't filter dirt less than 5 microns in size.
S&B makes filters that perform better than K&N. Old company, but not as well known. Filters are thicker, flow more air, filter better, and have velocity stack. Many sizes available to replace K&N.
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Rep Power: 811 If you just want an OEM replacement paper filter, napa gold is supposed to be good. The best for filtering is the AC delco, but there was a significant pressure drop from it filtering so well. I'm using the napa gold right now, but really thinking about trying the fipk again with new S&B velocity stack filter.
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Rep Power: 0 Damn Gearbox, how many threads have you made about the K&N filters??? I don't mean to be **** about it, but we already know all of this through other post and replies that you have made..It's cool that your trying to let everyone know about the quality issues with this filter and all, but maybe you should "sticky" some of these results in tech. issues so there isn't fifty threads about this... Just a suggestion though...Oh, are you planning on trying this new filter with the FIPK?
Just by adding a K&N drop in in my 04 Civic i made about 5-10hp, definatly a BIG diff.
it will be dynoed for the results soon
I had a K&N in my last civic a 94 and that car lasted 216k miles til i sold it
in perfect shape with out a problem.
So whats a little dust going to do in the intake run thru the engnie and get burnt
up and out the exhaust.
it will be dynoed for the results soon
I had a K&N in my last civic a 94 and that car lasted 216k miles til i sold it
in perfect shape with out a problem.
So whats a little dust going to do in the intake run thru the engnie and get burnt
up and out the exhaust.
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Rep Power: 811 Okay, I hope that was all a joke. You maybe gained 1hp from the filter. Do you know what's in dust? Silica. What does that do? Wear down your engine components by erosion.
And yes, K&N never did a fine dust test, yet they still make the claim of being 99% efficient (which is still not true). A new filter only traps 90% of dust, when the oem standard is set at 96%!! If dealers ever see this test, they're gonna have a field day rejecting warranty work.
cwick187, it's only the second thread I've made But thanks for the suggestion. Yeah, I feel like trying out the K&N again with the new filter. The actual intake pipe is a good design and gave some gain.
And yes, K&N never did a fine dust test, yet they still make the claim of being 99% efficient (which is still not true). A new filter only traps 90% of dust, when the oem standard is set at 96%!! If dealers ever see this test, they're gonna have a field day rejecting warranty work.
cwick187, it's only the second thread I've made
But thanks for the suggestion. Yeah, I feel like trying out the K&N again with the new filter. The actual intake pipe is a good design and gave some gain. 
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Originally Posted by ctv
Just by adding a K&N drop in in my 04 Civic i made about 5-10hp, definatly a BIG diff.
it will be dynoed for the results soon
I had a K&N in my last civic a 94 and that car lasted 216k miles til i sold it
in perfect shape with out a problem.
So whats a little dust going to do in the intake run thru the engnie and get burnt
up and out the exhaust.
it will be dynoed for the results soon
I had a K&N in my last civic a 94 and that car lasted 216k miles til i sold it
in perfect shape with out a problem.
So whats a little dust going to do in the intake run thru the engnie and get burnt
up and out the exhaust.
your kiddin right 5-10 hp
lol
I have a drop in myself and there is no change
had a K&N in my old dirt bike for about two days of real riding. The thing got so gloged up that it affected my fuel mixure. I figured that it must have been doing its job real well but when I pulled it off to clean it I found tons of silt in my airboot PAST THE FILTER! It came off that day and I have never used one again. loving my napa filters
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just a quick google search if anyone is interested....
gearbox, how did you find the s&b filters? I might change mine before the winter b/c the last time I cleaned the filter (last week), there was a little bit of dirt INSIDE the filter which wasnt present the 1st time I cleaned it. Running my finger through the inside of the intake pipe, there was nothing, but taking a chance is not really an option b/c I need the car to go for atleast another 6-7 years.
just a quick google search if anyone is interested....
gearbox, how did you find the s&b filters? I might change mine before the winter b/c the last time I cleaned the filter (last week), there was a little bit of dirt INSIDE the filter which wasnt present the 1st time I cleaned it. Running my finger through the inside of the intake pipe, there was nothing, but taking a chance is not really an option b/c I need the car to go for atleast another 6-7 years.
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Rep Power: 811 They've been around for a long time, but just recently their website went up and people are starting to notice the quality.
They are far better than K&N could ever hope. Power stack design and deeper pleats give more air flow, while a thicker cotton gauze provides better filtration. Hold both up to the sun, and only the K&N will have holes in it. I would suggest getting it from the site below. They sells hundreds of these filters all the time. The powerstack filter is the one you want. Just have to pick the inlet size and the length (more length = more air).
http://www.intenseperformance.com/pr...e_filters.html
They are far better than K&N could ever hope. Power stack design and deeper pleats give more air flow, while a thicker cotton gauze provides better filtration. Hold both up to the sun, and only the K&N will have holes in it. I would suggest getting it from the site below. They sells hundreds of these filters all the time. The powerstack filter is the one you want. Just have to pick the inlet size and the length (more length = more air).
http://www.intenseperformance.com/pr...e_filters.html
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Originally Posted by ctv
Just by adding a K&N drop in in my 04 Civic i made about 5-10hp, definatly a BIG diff.
it will be dynoed for the results soon
it will be dynoed for the results soon
Just becuase it came with stickers in the box doesn't mean it adds 10hp.
