RSX/Civic(7th gen) chassis discussion: is it really that bad?
RSX/Civic(7th gen) chassis discussion: is it really that bad? yo guys..
i want to discuss about the chassis of our vic and the current RSX..
ok, yesterday i got a discussion with my bro....he said that the chassis of our Vics and the RSX are bad......they got poor design from the factory..
now, he said that based on my cousin's experience in SF, my cousin said that his friend's RSX sucks cos when they ran through a railroad....60mph....the car (RSX) was fishtailing so damn bad...... do u guys know what i mean with "fish-tailing"?
my bro also said that the chassis of Mazda 6 is one of the best out there....such that when it was released, a car magazine said that a dream car (at that time) should consists of mazda 6's chassis.....and etc etc engine.... (I forgot)
what do you guys think?
i want to discuss about the chassis of our vic and the current RSX..
ok, yesterday i got a discussion with my bro....he said that the chassis of our Vics and the RSX are bad......they got poor design from the factory..
now, he said that based on my cousin's experience in SF, my cousin said that his friend's RSX sucks cos when they ran through a railroad....60mph....the car (RSX) was fishtailing so damn bad...... do u guys know what i mean with "fish-tailing"?
my bro also said that the chassis of Mazda 6 is one of the best out there....such that when it was released, a car magazine said that a dream car (at that time) should consists of mazda 6's chassis.....and etc etc engine.... (I forgot)
what do you guys think?
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Re: RSX/Civic(7th gen) chassis discussion: is it really that bad?
Originally posted by zen_master
now, he said that based on my cousin's experience in SF, my cousin said that his friend's RSX sucks cos when they ran through a railroad....60mph....the car (RSX) was fishtailing so damn bad...... do u guys know what i mean with "fish-tailing"?
now, he said that based on my cousin's experience in SF, my cousin said that his friend's RSX sucks cos when they ran through a railroad....60mph....the car (RSX) was fishtailing so damn bad...... do u guys know what i mean with "fish-tailing"?
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Rep Power: 0 First of all, going over train tracks at 60 mph is idiotic, good way to screw up the shocks and undercarriage. Second of all i never had any sway in my RSX or my Civic EX, and i take corners fast alot, he mustve jerked the wheel back and overcorrected bad or something...third of all I test drove a 6 before i bought the RSX and didn't find anything special with its suspension or chassis at all.
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Originally posted by HondaLuver
horse ****, he doesn't know how to drive and why would u go 60 over railroad tracks its like u telling me he auto Xs at 80 mph...
horse ****, he doesn't know how to drive and why would u go 60 over railroad tracks its like u telling me he auto Xs at 80 mph...
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RSX , SI, and 7thgen coupe/sedan 's chasis is one of the best chasis Honda ever made.
RSX , SI, and 7thgen coupe/sedan 's chasis is one of the best chasis Honda ever made.
If honda doesn't bring back the unequal length control arms for the 8th gens they're dumb, exspecially with the market for sport compacts heading back to performance now.
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Well i wouldn't go THAT far...i mean come on MacPhersons? Compared to previous gen civics the handeling on the new platform is no where near as good. They are setup for comfort.
If honda doesn't bring back the unequal length control arms for the 8th gens they're dumb, exspecially with the market for sport compacts heading back to performance now.
Well i wouldn't go THAT far...i mean come on MacPhersons? Compared to previous gen civics the handeling on the new platform is no where near as good. They are setup for comfort.
If honda doesn't bring back the unequal length control arms for the 8th gens they're dumb, exspecially with the market for sport compacts heading back to performance now.
Since when has the sport compact market left the performance area ?
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Rep Power: 412 In terms of handling the best civic hassis is the undisputed 88-92 civics, especially with the Si engine. They rule sts in autocross. Though this chass is good, it has some issues. Steering arm thing is a pain in the ***. it sits higher than any other civic from the factory, thus requiring more lowering. It is easy to work with. except for the rear bushings 
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Rep Power: 380 Originally posted by MrWong
The mac struts can handle pretty nicely, I went auto crossing on them all stock other than body roll the car handles very quick and sharp.
Since when has the sport compact market left the performance area ?
The mac struts can handle pretty nicely, I went auto crossing on them all stock other than body roll the car handles very quick and sharp.
Since when has the sport compact market left the performance area ?
The problem with McPhearson strtus is that you Get 0 camber gain when you corner. Camber gain is what happens when a Unequal Double wishbone suspension compresses. an example of that would be our rear wheels when you lower the car, you increase the camber. This is good in handling because as the suspension compresses durring a turn more camber is created to Help keep the tire flat on the road. Mcphearson struts can be tuned well , but Unequal Double wishbone is the more desireable suspension.
The Sport compact marked left the perfomance area as soon as large wheels became standard on the "performance" models. If the MazdaSpeed Protege came with 15s it would be that mutch better performing.
zen_master; your cousin needs to learn how to drive. Most cars would get Very upset by going over railroad tracks at 60MPH, and the fishtailing, sounds like Excessive Overcorrection by the driver. Also, what has your Cousin done to the car suspension wise? He may have comprimised the suspension. (By putting lowering springs on the car with out upgrading the shocks.)
The 6 is a good chassis, but it is also a Very Heavy chassis. so as a sports car, its too fat. as a sporty Family car, its great.
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very interesting,
indeed, i think my bro said about 60 mph over railroad by mistake...
say, ur opinion about 6's chassis is interesting...
anyway, it was not my cousin ho drove the car....it was his friend...
lemme correct the information after i talk with my bro again.....
so, u guys think that RSX and our vic's chassis are both good chassis?
who agree with that?
also, how if you compared it with the 6th gen's chassis?
(i.e my bro's 2000SI)
very interesting,
indeed, i think my bro said about 60 mph over railroad by mistake...
say, ur opinion about 6's chassis is interesting...
anyway, it was not my cousin ho drove the car....it was his friend...
lemme correct the information after i talk with my bro again.....
so, u guys think that RSX and our vic's chassis are both good chassis?
who agree with that?
also, how if you compared it with the 6th gen's chassis?
(i.e my bro's 2000SI)
that's one good opinion....
i'll confront my bro about it...
ok, so what's the reasons behind the opinion that our chassis is better than the older gen of civic? and so the RSX's...
i'll confront my bro about it...
ok, so what's the reasons behind the opinion that our chassis is better than the older gen of civic? and so the RSX's...
Zzyzx HORRAY, someone knows what thier talking about! If you give our cars a "track alighnment" you can get fairly good results handling wise. Our cars problem is really the suspension tuning from the factory, it's set up to be soft and compliant, but throw some nice coilovers or a spring and shock set on there, and a rear antisway and theres some real potential. Our chassis are also stiffer than the old chassis by a fair margin from what I've heard, so I guess bracing them makes them that more rigid.
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Rep Power: 344 Originally posted by Zzyzx
The problem with McPhearson strtus is that you Get 0 camber gain when you corner. Camber gain is what happens when a Unequal Double wishbone suspension compresses. an example of that would be our rear wheels when you lower the car, you increase the camber. This is good in handling because as the suspension compresses durring a turn more camber is created to Help keep the tire flat on the road. Mcphearson struts can be tuned well , but Unequal Double wishbone is the more desireable suspension.
The Sport compact marked left the perfomance area as soon as large wheels became standard on the "performance" models. If the MazdaSpeed Protege came with 15s it would be that mutch better performing.
The problem with McPhearson strtus is that you Get 0 camber gain when you corner. Camber gain is what happens when a Unequal Double wishbone suspension compresses. an example of that would be our rear wheels when you lower the car, you increase the camber. This is good in handling because as the suspension compresses durring a turn more camber is created to Help keep the tire flat on the road. Mcphearson struts can be tuned well , but Unequal Double wishbone is the more desireable suspension.
The Sport compact marked left the perfomance area as soon as large wheels became standard on the "performance" models. If the MazdaSpeed Protege came with 15s it would be that mutch better performing.
I forget some people don't know this stuff
okay
i just being told my bro..that YES, my cousin's friend did drive 60mph over railroad..
indeed, WTF kind of stupid driver ever want to drive 60mph over a railroad??
omg..
and the crazy thing is that,
my bro said that his 2000SI will be alright (compared to the RSX) if he does the same thing to his car...
WTF?
i think he's saving his *** from me, LOL.
i just being told my bro..that YES, my cousin's friend did drive 60mph over railroad..
indeed, WTF kind of stupid driver ever want to drive 60mph over a railroad??
omg..
and the crazy thing is that,
my bro said that his 2000SI will be alright (compared to the RSX) if he does the same thing to his car...
WTF?
i think he's saving his *** from me, LOL.
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Rep Power: 412 tell them both to shut up. It doesn't matter if you go over the railroad with a Si or RSX at 60mph, either way it is stupid and will hurt the car.
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Rep Power: 311 i've actually hit railroad tracks at 60-65.. we had like 5 guys in the car, we wanted to see how high we'd get because it was on a hill type thing, lol.. we went about 5ft up in the air, and i about broke my damn arm. lol..
The Em2 Ep3 And Dc5 Chasis Were The Results Of Years Of Research From Honda They Started Looking Fo A Plataform Like This Since 1998 The Fisrt Design That Came Up Was The Em1 With Double Whisbone On All Four Wheels But It Still Had Bad Handling During Braking And A Lot Of Understeer
Mcpherson Is Lighter And More Efficient During Hard Braking Because It Keeps All The Tire Surface On The Road And Doublewishbone In The Back Is Also Good For High Speed Cornering When The Em2/es1 Chasis Came Up They Were Heavier Than Previous Models But Performed Better Handlingwise. Then In 02 The Ep3 And The Dc5 And Ka8 Were Relased With The Same Implementation Because They Saw In The Civic That The Combination Would Work Exellent. Plus The Weight Ratio Was Ideal For The K Series Engine.
The Civic Es1/em2 Is The Lightest Out Of The Dc5 And Ep3 And Has The Best Weight Ratio Out Of All Previous Gen Civics, I Dont Have The Numbers With Me But The Front And Rear Weight Is Pretty Close Which Makes The Car Good For High Speed Cornering And Braking
Any Car At High Speed That Suffers A Tremendous Chasis Upset Like It Will Be Going Over A Raildoad Has High Risk Of Fish Tailing Or Loosing Control
We Have The Best Of Both Worlds !!
Mcpherson Is Lighter And More Efficient During Hard Braking Because It Keeps All The Tire Surface On The Road And Doublewishbone In The Back Is Also Good For High Speed Cornering When The Em2/es1 Chasis Came Up They Were Heavier Than Previous Models But Performed Better Handlingwise. Then In 02 The Ep3 And The Dc5 And Ka8 Were Relased With The Same Implementation Because They Saw In The Civic That The Combination Would Work Exellent. Plus The Weight Ratio Was Ideal For The K Series Engine.
The Civic Es1/em2 Is The Lightest Out Of The Dc5 And Ep3 And Has The Best Weight Ratio Out Of All Previous Gen Civics, I Dont Have The Numbers With Me But The Front And Rear Weight Is Pretty Close Which Makes The Car Good For High Speed Cornering And Braking
Any Car At High Speed That Suffers A Tremendous Chasis Upset Like It Will Be Going Over A Raildoad Has High Risk Of Fish Tailing Or Loosing Control
We Have The Best Of Both Worlds !!
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Rep Power: 318 good chasis comparison would be mazda 3 against a civic/si hatch/rsx chasis..
Also I think nissan chasis are more stable than mazda 6
The maxima and altima SER chasis handle alot better than the mazda 6 just my .02 cents
Also I think nissan chasis are more stable than mazda 6
The maxima and altima SER chasis handle alot better than the mazda 6 just my .02 cents
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Originally Posted by Cocky
i've actually hit railroad tracks at 60-65.. we had like 5 guys in the car, we wanted to see how high we'd get because it was on a hill type thing, lol.. we went about 5ft up in the air, and i about broke my damn arm. lol..
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Rep Power: 276 My question is this then: if our chasis has great potential, then why does the damn thing still have killer bump steer with shocks, strut tower brace, and rear lower tie bar? Maybe I'm the only one who bitches about bump steer but it's definitely there.
