civicvtec1ps

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The title says it....Top 25 Lemon Cars. Information was compiled by US federal government and released. However, it doesn't apply to models that have changed since 2001. Ford Escape was top on the list! No Mercedes made the list.


Click here to see:
http://www.lemonlaw.com/lemonlist.html

MODEL COMPLAINT INDEX RATIO
1) Ford Escape 24,916
2) Toyota Prius 14,625
3) Oldsmobile Aurora 14,084
4) Ford Excursion 12,038
5) Mitsubishi Eclipse 11,138
6) Ford Focus 9,797
7) Lincoln LS 9.648
8) Chevrolet Blazer 9.165
9) Subaru Legacy 8,045
10) Jeep Grand Cherokee 8,002
11) Audi A6 7,874
12) Suzuki Grand Vitara 6,553
13) Volkswagen Passat 6,504
14) Pontiac Aztek 6,145
15) Dodge Dakota 6,027
16) Toyota RAV4 5,951
17) Honda Civic 5,843
18) Subaru Forrester 5,761
19) Buick LeSabre 5,666
20) Volkswagen Jetta 5,662
21) Ford Windstar 5,530
22) Dodge Neon 5,406
23) Dodge Ram Pickup 5,295
24) Oldsmobile Silhouette 5,289
25) Toyota Highlander 5,276

If your car ****s up 3 times in a year its a lemon.

VTECTypeR

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Good info

EBP2K2

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wow, no hyundai, how about that.

greatcasa

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You have to remember that the more a car is bought, the more chance there is that its lemon numbers will be high. Most of those cars are popular cars. Probably explains why there is no hyundai on there: nobody buys them!

Meeklo2k2

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no kia also.

Civic_Si_Veloz

A Toyota coming in at number 2? I'm suprised that Toyota produced that many lemons considering that they strive for total quality, or that's what i read about when taking cost accounting. But if it's gonna be one of their cars, it makes sense that it's the prius.

Mikeds122

yea, i guess civic's doin not too bad considering how many of them there are

EBP2K2

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nope, hyundai actually outsells mitsubishi, mazda, subaru, etc etc... Last time I heard, Hyundai was close 4th in import brand VOLUME sales (# of cars) behind toyota, honda, and nissan...

Hyundai should outsell nissan soon enough.

notice there isnt corollas and camrys from toyota... meaning complaints registered for RAV4 and PRIUS is an alarming sign for toyota...

Jodster

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Wow. I'm suprised to see that the dodge neon is number 22 and the honda civic is number 17. Are there really that more civic sold over neons?

potator

Good info, I agree. Most people don't know it, but Hyundai sells a ton of cars, and it's impressive to not see a Hyundai on that list.

to Hyundai.

abmerop18

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you are wrong. it is a ratio of number of complaints to the number of cars sold. that means since so many civics are sold it may be as an example 3 or 4 complaints per tally on their chart because of the number sold to complaint ratio.

Bellz

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3 Fords in the top 10! w00h00 way to go Ford!!
I'll probably never own another one after my last dealer experience. They truly suck ***.

EBP2K2

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yup, I'm down with hyundai too.... I can't imagine their next gen of cars.. at this rate those cars will be on par with Honda quality wise.... should roll out starting in 2005....

They just need to build us cars like EVO and WRX..... afterall Hyundai has been in WRC full time for some time now......

oohooh

yeah....hyundai aint too shabby anymore. my 1995 beater hyundai has literally been thru hell. Serves the true meaning of being a beater, yet still hasnt given up on me once. It has 94497 miles and still running strong as ever. Hyundais are very underrated IMO.

Oredigger

it's not a ratio:

The values are too big for it to be #lemons/#cars sold (if this were the case, the numbers would be less than 1), and the values trend in the wrong direction for it to be #cars sold/#lemons (bad car would have relativley more lemons and would therefore have smaller numbers than quality cars). It seems that that's an absolute number of lemons, and is thus fairly skewed.

Yukonart

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The complaint index is based on a ratio of the number of complaints for each vehicle to the sales of that vehicle.

. . . . amazing what one can find by actually clicking on the supplied link and reading the first paragraph.

Pharoh

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Stole my thunder on that one...lol.

Oredigger

goddamn index's, mixture of a little bit of this, and a little bit of that, just to make it a little more obtuse,....

Yukonart

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Indeed. . . . often times I wonder if said publisher gathers all the data available (unbiased) and merely combines data to form better images of specific car makes and models. I know it happens. . . . just a matter of spotting it.

But you guys are absolutely right.



And the more you play, the better your chances are of winning.

. . . . in other words. . . .

Regardless of who you are, the more cars you sell, the more you risk a higher number of reported problems.

sadboy916

but according to alot of you guys camaros , trans ams , mustangs all break down alot??? and o know whats that on the list a CIVIC .

01WingsWestCivic

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hahaha, hes right

Yukonart

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Bear in mind that many sports car enthusiasts will opt to work on their own car, rather than let someone else turn the wrench.

It's likely that MANY problems with Pony cars never are reported.

AND, this is VERY important. The description for hte criteria on this list is that the models they're sampling HAVE NOT CHANGED in the three or so years they conducted the study.

Camaros and Trans Ams are no longer made. . . hence, they wouldn't show up on this particular list, anyway.

Yukonart

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Freaking double-posts. . . .

4Saris

I know why our cars are so high............After searching for SRS light and going through the posts, we probably contributed to 75% of the dealer visits because we didn't know how to reset the damn thing before the DIY .

prawdigy

"wow, no hyundai, how about that."

-EBPK2k2

hyundai doesnt sell enough cars to have a lemon.. haha jp.. suprisingly.. no they arent on there.. and thats why i buy new

BrotherSound

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my Brothers last two cars 92 camaro and a 97 Mustang GT... His Camaro was ALWAYS in the shop at least every other month.. His Mustang goes in the shop at least every 4 months he spends at least $1500 a year in repairs on it...

my last two cars 95 Civic & my 2002 civic.. i put 60,000mi on my first civic. only out of Maintenance cost was $60. My 2002 with 32,000mi has not had a problem yet.

and honestly my brother takes better care of his cars than i do, so in my opinion, which i make from what i see with my own eyes, i think they're junk.

sadboy916

we had a 98 accord that was a peice of **** does that mean honda cant build cars no it means that accord was a lemon , get my point

O1Coupe

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In 1997, they sold 73,000 units.

For 2003, they are already projecting 425,000 units.

Nobody buys them? HAHAHA.. don't be sour cause our cars made the lemon list. 7th Gens are the most unreliable Civics ever made.

RunawaySoul

I remember reading in a magazine about how Hyundai tied Honda this year in a reliability contest. Do I believe it? Yes. I couldn't tell you how many people I talked to that made it past the 100,000 miles with 0 visits to the mechanic, just gas and oil changes. Same thing for the Honda. I can't believe it's on there. I bet it's for the 2001 Civic, because it's a first gen and will have its quirks.

BrotherSound

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no kidding, any car could be a lemon. but what I'm saying is that i see more domestic's (GM, Ford, Chrysler) cars have probems than any toyotas or hondas. like my brothers, another example, my supervisor has a 2001 pontiac grand am. the auto trans blew out at 46,000mi a $2000 fix!! GM won' cover it. I've seen my Friends Focus go in the shop for more recall & non-recall related stuff than you'd believe. I can honestly say that out of all the people i know that drive imports no one has every had a serious problem. I can't say that for the people i know that drive domestic's. thats what i base my opinion on. not some article that was written by who knows??