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I received an e-mail from Philippe from Injen Technology, and here is what he wrote:

We have only dyno tested a 2001 Honda Civic EX 5-speed. With that intake system our performance gains were approximately 5-7 whp. Our performance gains are consistent and we did not have a lost of power run after run.

Best regards,

Phillip Phong
Operations Manager
Injen Technology
www.Injen.com
(909) 839-0706 x206
(909) 348-0436 fax




So don't sit there and tell me the max for a manual is MAYBE 3, and that an Automatic is going to be substantially lower than that. I'll admit, my estimate of 7 MAY be a bit high, but in HOT weather driving here in So Cal, I would think that a CAI is going to help A LOT over the stock airbox grabbing in hot *** air. Based on this, I would not go any lower than 4 for an automatic. And I don't have the money or time to run it on a dynomometer.

 
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Oh man... I'm gunna call the Phillip Morris Company and ask them if cigarettes cause cancer. BTW, that pipe heats up. Dont think its going to help that much in hot weather.. you're still going to bog.

 
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But not as much as stock. Correct? Please, no flaming... just a civil debate.

 
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no, i suppose not as much. excpet for the low end of the powerband, in which case it will become worse.

 
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MangoEX, I cannot believe that you are gonna listen to Injen. Te company who makes the intake. Of course they are gonna see gains. It doesn't help them sell intakes if they don't help the car. I agree that there is a slight increase in hp but not 12 like you have recently stated in the locked thread. Its just not gonna happen.

You FEEL the power, because you are HEARING the power. Sound does not mean power. I'm glad for you if you think your intake is awsome. I love mine too. But you and I are gonna be lucky to see 12hp combined on our cars. It's just not gonna happen.

 
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I think the only way this debate is ever going to solved is if someone will dyno their stock with an InJen. MangoEX since you keep bringing this up, just go out and get it done & scan and post the results.

To me, it sounds like your trying to justify the purchase of your InJen CAI. Why? If it makes it go 3-4 or 5-7 whp who will really know? Not like you're going to put a decal on the outside of your car to let everyone know...right?

I have one too and love it. I notice better throttle response and sure, a little more peppy and a lot louder than stock.

Bottom line, if you like it, keep it. Otherwise get rid of it.

 
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Philip replied again when I asked him if theres a difference...


"The difference between an automatic and manual transmission is minimal if not the same. "

 
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Definitely better throttle response... I know Guru wont argue against that

 
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That's okay... early next year I'll be getting an 96 Acura Integra GSR, and I'm gonna slap on a super charger on that sucka and own people like its nobodies business =p

 
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Sorry, but it now sounds like you're trying to justify yourself into buying that GSR so that you can "own" people in your "hood". Whats up with that?
Don't take this as a flame, but do you even know exactly what you want??? First you want an InJen CAI to make 5-7 whp. Now you want a 96 GSR to "own people like its nobodies business".

You can't believe how funny you sound from my point of view and others.

Let this topic die, please...its been over-done so many times.

 
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Xian, I agree with you. It sounds as if he is talking about getting a new car that is has a great engine so it can make it seem like he knows what he is talking about. This thread is like the "is there a god" thread in offtopic. He is talking about feeling power versus proving he has made power.

Mango, you are now just reaching for anything you can hold onto because you have realized you can't prove yourself right and need something to make yourself feel better, hoping we will listen to you.

It's not gonna happen.

 
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FlyByRacer02, stop talking as if you're superior to me cause you are not. If you want to say stuff like that, I encourage you to get out from behind your computer and tellit to my face. Well see how tough you are then. And I'm not trying to say Im buying a GSR just cause I didnt gain power, those were my plans before I even started this thread. So shut the f.uc.k up if you do not know what your talking or WHOM you are talking to. I didnt say nothing personal to you, so don't say it to me, and if anyone talks to me like that out in the open, I will personally hand their *** to them. So watch your mouth please. I never said or intended to be personal with anyone, so you better not make the mistake of doing it with me.

 
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a better question is why you would want to SC a B18C1 when you can turbo it for half as much.

 
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OOOOOOh.......i'm so scared. I guess I had better watch myself. I can't wait to see you at a car show when they start up next year. Regardless, you are still gullible if you believe the company that sold you the inktake's numbers. I'm sure they produced those gains. But they also didn't tell you the setup they ran. They could be running H/E also or an Apexi VAFC to help out. You don't know. And like Joe said about having the engine open and running huge fans to blow lots of air into the intake.

 
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I second that. Now go email AEM and ask about the Injen CAI vs. AEM CAI dyno charts and results.

I'm sure AEM will state how Injen has very little gain compared to their powerful AEM CAI...

Just give it up. Peace

 
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Honda Guru, reason why I would s/c it is cause it is more reliable than a turbo charger and much safer for the motor. Besides it would be a daily driver, Im just plain tired of these slow *** civics. And yes your right, their could of been varying factors that could of contributed to slightly high HP/TQ numbers, but when you remember that ALL their tests are done the same way, it shows you how the products perform relative to eachother... as in the case with the Super Tuning article on Intakes.

 
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Dude, please don't go super charger. For your own benefit at least. Jackson Racing is a complete waste of money and barely gives you any gains. Vortec is garbage as well. Check a couple months back, in Import Tunner I believe, there was an article about it on the GSR. It is very expensive as well and does not put out impressive gains. The only way that I would even think of going is a Drag Turbo Kit. Best bang for your buck. It also produced the most gains by far. I will look through my issues of Import Tunner and what not to find this article. I'll get back to you. Turbo all the way.

 
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I have to agree with Mango on this one. I would love to have a SC. No lag. Instant power. I love the zip sound of a SC. Also less chance of blowing the engine.

 
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He did not just try to be tough on the computer. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] I was all about trying to help you out with your GSR but after reading this you make me laugh. You remind me of this kid that used to talk **** to me over the computer. He said the same **** you just did. So I asked him to meet up with me. To make a long story short, he didn't make it back home after meeting up with me. Anyways, this isn't about me. You shouldn't be acting tough on the computer cuz you really don't know who on the other side. I'm just trying to kinda look out for ya. Don't do or say anything stupid over the computer that might get you in a lot of trouble.

 
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Hold up people!!!! I'm just realizing I've been ripped off by InJen. MangoEX thank you for posting the reply from Philip about getting 5-7 whp. I swear the dyno graph on the side of the InJen Race Division CAI was way up to 160 hp!!! That should translate to about 140 whp just with the intake!!! MangoEX lets go sue the pants off of InJen now.

NOTE: I'm being sarcastic for those that didn't know. I leave for two hours and this thread is still going strong. Hey FlyRiceRacer02, perhaps we should make this thread the official thread about gains on a CAI, regardless of InJen or AEM, etc. Perhaps even make it sticky??? [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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First off i wanna know who said that the INJEN intake is gonna give you 12 whp. thats crap lol even i wouldnt say that, injen race division cai gives you 6-8 hps people. I dont know where they get 12 or who got that, but thats crap. Last time i checked we dont have dohc unless you have a 02+ si. and even then i doubt you would gain 12 hps.

INJEN

 
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This is just too good not to post again

 
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What ever the HP gain is doesnt really matter to me.... i drive a CIVIC.....Im gonna get the Audi TT..... Those are ahhhhhhhhhhhh sooooooooooo soooooo nice...... I bought my intake cause it looks good........ oh wait i didnt buy mine, i got it for free..... but it looks better than that black airbox junk..... that why i got mine... 6 horses, 3 horses..... so what your running now 135....ooooooooooooo whooopie.... we all need to remember we drive civics.... not unless we are psychotic and willing to be spending thousands and thousands of dollars.... there is no use.... That all i got to say about that.... my opinion..... I like blondes, you may not....all on opinion.

Have a nice day [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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damn...didnt this post get locked up awhile ago...lol..some people just dont give up...if ur goin to go by wut ads, websites and articles say...y not explain this to me please...like i posted in the last topic that had been locked...in the feb 2002 magazine honda tuning on page 57...the articles states and i qoute " the header is a dc four into one design, and compined with the intake and the tcs exhaust, the power gain is a comfortable 5hp...if that is true how come on the dc website it claims that the intake can make gains up to 5-7 hp...by itself..something doesnt make sense..so i guess by goin through wut dc dynoed the header and the exhaust does nuthin...hmmmmmm..something doesnt add up..guess wut im tryin to say is that please dont go by wut the producers say..because they are always goin to make their product seem like its the best out there

OH by the way jeremy...i like blondes and latinas..hehe

 
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The intake issue is a mess. I mainly drive under 3500rpm 85% of the time, so I would mainly see the low end loss if I were to buy an aftermarket intake. I don't remember if it was CapYoda or Fraga who said this, but w/ all the research I did, i agree w/ which ever one said that the best intake in their mind was the stock system w/ the K&N drop in air filter. No, its not loud, but I just wanted air flow, a cleanable, reusable filter, and maybe 3 more mpg. I'm happy


All I know is, boy, I sure won't say anything wrong to MangoEX over the internet. Next thing I know, he'll be jumping out of my LCD screen to kick my ***.....HA!

 
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gotta love 'em a$$ dynos

 
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Hahahaa...

Okay, please explain how instant off idle boost is "safer and more reliable" then a gradual build up over 3K or so on a larger size turbo (say T3/T4)? This should be good.

Also, with current technology and smaller turbos with properly configured impellers, you can achieve max boost at and even sometimes below 2000 RPM. Your argument is weak indeed.

 
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Has this thread been locked yet?

Forget about all them long tube intakes, FIPK rules.

 
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I wonder how long after they put these intakes on for testing do they dyno them? I wonder if they reset the ecu? The gains might be higher than the dyno numbers because it probably takes the computer a good 1000 miles to fully adjust to the new intake.

 
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I think once the ECU is disconnecte it goes to some default, probably the best settings for emissions. I also believe that some of this forced ECU reset stuff is a myth.