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heheh i agree, i remember a while back i said gude was crap, and did crap work and were shady. Looks like we were right [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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Still waiting on JUN to finish development of their parts.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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i agree [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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'Street-ability

Low end power is deffinately less than before. Trying to accelerate at anything below 2500 RPM just bogs. But the high end power I get in return is way worth it. Shifts are made at about 8000RPM without the engine acting like it's having an asthma attack like it did in stock form.

I've bumped up my VTEC switchover point to 5200 from 4800 after doing some dyno testing.'

From

Bullfrog Race Package Cylinder Head

There is some info here from a guy who has experience using the Gude head package. Also some data.

 
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Isn't the Gude package garrunteed to give at least 40 to wheels? Call the ****** up and let them know!

 
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damn that sucks.....hey jhonda, thanks for the info...good luck to ya

 
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Mike Gude himself told me that they guarantee 45hp to the wheels because he is the one who took my order and I know for a fact because I even asked him his name so I knew that if this $hit happened I could place the blame all on them, but if we were to find out that the gude head package doesnt do anything, we really cant do anything because its not worth the money in court bills and $hit to take them to court. So basically if you bought the gude head and it really is $hit, we are F.U.B.A.R

 
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As with increasing horsepower with any (small) engine isn't it mosly building the engine to run at higher RPM and all that gain is usually on the top end? Has your RPM gone up, with some increase in power? What did Gude's dyno chart show? What did your dyno runs show? What other mods have you done to take advantage of the head package? I'm just curious, as it is well known that these mods have to be done in combination to take full advantage of them.

 
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Have you actually done a dyno run yet?

 
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well i did it on my Gtech meter it has been pretty constant in the past saying 118-123 each time (about 8times) now its saying 117-120 each time about 5times.

 
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Whoa! Now that is disappointing to ay the least. No NA for me. FI all the way baby. Either that or some N2O. Proven technologies and no BS. The frog sucks man, sorry to hear that. I would try to get your money back. Call them up and tell them that either something is wrong, or this is just the way it is and you want your money back. You installed everything yourself though, right? Did the ECU have time to adjust yet? Probably did, right?

 
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Mr. Gude,



I feel it necessary to bring to your attention a certain level of dissatisfaction with the Gude Head Package being marketed for the 2001-02 Honda Civics. As a member of 7thgencivic.com, the main discussion board for 7th generation Civics, it has come to our attention that there may be a quality control issue with your product. The following message thread was posted by one of our members who purchased your product. http://www.7thgencivic.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=40943 I think this probably isn’t the type of publicity you or your company wants for this product, and perhaps the next review can be a good one.

Respectfully,

Jason Lee



sent to Gude - maybe it was just a QC issue?

 
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So all you did was instlall the head? So now you have a higher compression with no other mods? I'm really trying to see just what setup you have here. If it's just the head, I don't think one should expect any 40 HP gain.

 
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Oh yeah... You didn't install everything? Just the head? Still though, with the raised compression he should get some sort of an improvement and not a loss.

 
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A shop here in charlotte installed the head for him. I think he does have the i/e/h combo on his vic. Apparantly, the head wasn't flushed right and metal shavings were left in the head. Something went wrong somewhere. I don't believe the 40hp claim but it should definately do something.

 
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from bill gude:

We have sent out 50 of this model head packs, and they all worked great, we have one out now and that must be the one you are asking about. That may have a problem, it could be an install problem the customer used his old rockers and you can not inter change vtec rockers from other heads, he thought the new ones had a problem. Or it could be a defective head as it was a new head from Honda and had never been run. We are doing a new one for him at our expense; please don't jump the gun to judgment. We have been the leader in this field for 20 years and our quality and performance has for years Put the other competition on the trailer, our percent of problems are less than .o1 percent and a large amt of this is shipping damage from ups and poor install procedures. The Honda factory has tested this setup and loved it. We are working to help this customer as to solve this problem please see the e mail we usually get attached Thanks Bill


maybe they'll get it right

 
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what exactly have you installed thus far?

and who did it for you??

bring the complaint to gude, and work with them... dont assume this is it...

a lot of times, a simple tune from someone who knows what he's doing will yield drastic change... (drastic good change.)

 
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that sounds good.

 
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So it was the rocker arms! Let's remember people. If you get a head with metal shavings all over the place then clean the !@#$er! Hose it down and let it dry. Use everything they give you when installing. That includes the rocker arms! Funny that they're mkaing a new one for him. I guess they don't want to waste the time figuring out what's wrong with that other head. Might be the install, might not. Allright, props to Gude for this e-mail! Hopefully you other guys that bought the Gude package will have something better to say...

 
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I wonder if the valves are large enough to handle this type of jump in compression? Some times, I have seen this through personal experience, with a med. to high compression motor, you will need to cam (specific to that particular application), valves (intake-- large enough to accomidate the increased air/fuel demand ~ exhaust-- large enough to expel the gases before the next compression stroke is completed), rocker ams & lifters to actually see the gains that the company boast about. These other modifications are more than less assumed will be done when a new head or intake manifold or what have you is installed. I am satisifed that a 40 hp gain could be obtained with the proper combination of Head/Cam/Vavles/Intake Manifold/& Rocker Arms. It is just they should tell you what all is involved before they sell you the product.

That is my 2 cents for whatever it is worth.

 
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You know, there have been SO many threads on this issue. Not ONE person has dynoed the car and given us some proven results. It pisses me off to hear all the claims that spending 2000 here or there can get 40 HP to the wheels.

40hp for 2000 might be worth looking at. I just want PROOF. I have posted on the other Gude threads and NOBODY seems to be able to provide PROOF.

Come on people, get the proof up on the site so we can see the results!

 
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I had to use my old rocker arms because the ones they sent did not engage VTEC You couldn't even pull the pins out that engage vtec and they suppose to do it freely but with a little oil pressure of course. But I did learn about how our cars work through this experiance, and am very thankful to Bill at Gude.

 
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no offense but you sound a bit demanding...

you want dyno result from who? the parts manufactures or the consumers?

its not exactly easy to obtain a dyno you know... and it does cost a decent amount of money...
I'm not surprise there's not a lot of people getting dynos done.... there's only so many of us going for performance... and of those, only so many actually spend grands on the parts...

you should be patient.

 
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Yeah, a requirement for higher octane gas, maybe.

 
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here are a few more questions to stir the pot.


I didn't read the whole thread just a few pages but i see no dyno charts. Also to the original poster, did you just slap on the head and call it good or did you bother to take it to the dyno and tune the cam?

Also did you bother to ask what other "mods" Gude had to achieve this 40hp gain? its possible on a car with intake, long tube header, race exhuast etc. I bet there was also a V-AFC to adjust the fuel and vtec point to gain HP as well......

I've seen many cars slap in big cams or in your case cam and lose HP becuase they didn't bother to tune the cam and or buy a cam that was way to big for the mods they had.

 
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CapYoda....your right, I am demanding. I want people to back up what they say. If Gude claims that his parts will increase HP to the wheels by 40hp, then it is his responsibility to back up that claim with a dyno. If he has to put his parts on every car that he sells those parts for, and he has to then dyno them, so be it. I simply refuse to take peoples word for it. If I bought the parts and had them put on my car, the first thing I would do is take it to a shop, slap it on the dyno and look at some numbers. I would do that to make sure my 2 grand got me what I wanted, and then I would post those results up here.

If I were Gude, I would get the dyno done, and post it on the site. He is trying to market his services to 2k1 civic owners, and the smartest thing he could do is backup his claims with some hardcore numbers.

I think this site is awesome. I come here for information. Lately however, I spend more time wading through bs then actually getting information, and that gets irritating.

2000 dollars may not be a lot of money to some people, but I have lots of bills and responsibilities and money like that can take some time to save up. I just want to make sure I am getting what I am paying for.

 
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I hope Gude gets their act together soon. If they can prove its legit, and another member on this site can vouch for it, it's definitely 2 grand I want to spend.

 
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well i just got my head package in the mail. I wish I had a digi camera so i could get pics up but you can clearly see that they did machine work to the head. The ports have been opened and smoothed away and the bottom of the head has been grinded away too. GOD i wish I had a digi cam . . . .

 
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Does it look like good work or not?

 
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yeah it looks like they did good work on it, but who am I. Definitely not a mechanic but im gettin pics of it tomorrow. My sis is lettin me use her cam tomorrow.