SinaloaCivic

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i searched the threads and i havent seen anything relevant, im planning on purchasing the 5 bolt cam gear, whats the differance between 3 bolt one?? also if you have it installed do u get any good gains??? was it hard as f*** to tune it???
thanks,


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Boilermaker1

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A cam gear sounds to me like a last little ounce part. Its kinda worthless to alter the timing on a stock car. What are you gonna get? 1HP?

And a guess... if the flange on the end of the cam is a 3 bolt, you get the 3 bolt gear, if its a 5 bolt, you get the 5 bolt gear.

SinaloaCivic

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oh i see ok then people have told me they can get up to 10 HP out of a cam gear from a SOHC engine

Boilermaker1

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on WHAT sohc engine? A built Y8 with the works already done? You're not going to see 10 HP from a timing change on this engine, probably on any completely stock engine. Thats why its claimed as "up to" 10 HP. Just like a K&N filter makes up to 40 HP

SinaloaCivic

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oh i see......well u see what i got in my sig.....thiers like NOTHING else i can do to squeeze some N/A power out?? lol i know im a noob but what can i say i know more about cars than others at my school haha

CuRiOuSfIsH

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perhaps AEM adjustable cam gear would work better with an aftermarket cam shaft.

Boilermaker1

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This motor?
If you find a way to get the stock crank HP to the wheels I'd call success.
a cam, springs, retainers, new IM, etc...
the head just doesn't flow well at all, and it takes a $2000 computer to get the car to rev higher, but the head still doesn't flow.

SinaloaCivic

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true... but then that would'nt make my car reliable huh??? i use my EM2 as a daily driver so..... all i want is more acceleration because right now it sucks, but then i dont have the 4K for the turbo and the tranny adjustments

gearbox

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get the 5 bolt model because there are two more bolts to tighten. the old 3 bolt model had some cases of the timing slipping up and ruining motors. its very easy to tune, just adjust it and do a dyno run each time to compare. there is actually a graph of stock dyno with cam gear advanced 2 degrees and it made a few whp above 4k rpms. but really you only need em if you have engine work done or maybe turbo? it does not control lift or duration, only when the valves open and close. Since we have sohc, adjusting the cam affects both intake and exhaust. thats why dohc engines see much better gains from cam tuning.

gearbox

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you don't need the 4k for a turbo. dezod motorsports is making an economy kit for around 2k and then you just need some few extra parts like fuel system to make it work. but under 3k for a low boost turbo is definately possible in the future and thats at least 25-50whp instant.

SinaloaCivic

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thanks for the info gearbox.....ill look into that dezod kit, because im really wanting more power...but my budget isnt allowing the more expensive kit come my way. but i also need a tourque converter and a overhaul kit for my auto tranny.



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se7engen_riDe

cam gears wont do jack to our cars unless you got turbo. dont get it if your motor is stock. you can get them if you order camshaft.

mugenman

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take it from me bro nothing is worth buying for an auto

SinaloaCivic

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damn thats jacked......u see i was born with a ****ed up left hip...and i cant use clutch....if not then heck yess i would go 5 speed but i just cant...



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se7engen_riDe

that sucks man. but yea. i got an auto too. and damn it really pisses me off cuz of the slowness. if i were you i wouldnt bother fixing up the engine. just drop it, get some wheels, lip kit, tint window if you dont have it, and do a custom blackout headlight housing. you can always turbo an auto though.

SinaloaCivic

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well i basically have 18" wheels, Honda Aero Kit and some other exterior mods that make it stand out a bit, all i do need left is a drop i guess.

se7engen_riDe

haha...nice. save up and get some coilovers and shocks.

TemjinX2

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honestly i think you would notice more of a difference if you just leave the car in d2 if your going from 0-60 and switch to 15in or light 17's. Our auto trannies always tries to shift to the higher gear to save gas unless you really gun it.

gearbox

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if you floor it the rpm goes to redline auto or not.

TemjinX2

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thats what i meant by gun it

mugenman

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dude im just messin ive done stuff 2 my auto and just from experience nothing is really worth it.

SinaloaCivic

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haha yea mugenman im just sayin ur not the only person whos told me that so i get all sad and shyt lol but whatever i love my EM2 and idc if its worthless ima keep modding the F*** out of it but since im still 17 and in high school with an OK job at a audio and customs shop i think i should do jus a lil bit more, oh btw when im at a stop and i floor it why is it that i have poor acceleration until 4k rpms?? could it be my chrome 18" wheels?

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TemjinX2

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its cause we don't really hit our power band until 4k+. Wow chrome 18's?!? Each wheel must weigh like 70lbs with tire . That'll do if you wanna kill your accerlation.

SinaloaCivic

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haha yea.....i kinda guessed that....but the power band at 4k??? wouldnt that be the VTEC kicking in?? i read the VTEC cam dont start till like 2500k RPMs.........can u clarify that for me?? lol



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TemjinX2

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just look at gearbox's dyno. You notice the power goes up slowly and then there a steep increase in power after around 4k rpm


http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=232543

SinaloaCivic

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yea, im guessing the Cam Gear might help me if i want lets say...3 whp??? anywho that dynochart looks good, i should go to dyno mine soon haha



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blackdragon

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this is our civics

the only engine/performance mod is gotta be turbo or a swap we all know that ish take some $$$. just my .02 cents

gearbox

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ya after 4k is the vtec

SinaloaCivic

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oh i see ok thats what i wanted to know lol thx gearbox, when i go into work today ima see if my boss can hook me up with a dyno run, then ill post it up here soon


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gearbox

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yea and cam gear is worthless. don't forget you pay the same labor as a timing belt to have it installed.