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ok so i have a stupid granny sedan 05 vp, if i get the ex v-tech head will i be able to use an ex header? i am thinkin so because the ex head should mount up to ex headers right? also, what parts for an 01-03 will fit an 05, such as fenders? i have seen parts marked 01-05, i know interior is mostly the same, very little difference.... so if i run the v-tech head following the diy on here.. and put turbo on it, it should be pretty quick right? i also heard i should use an lx tranny due to the fact it has a longer span between shifts... let me know if you know anything about this. your help is appreciated

 
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Hold on, dude! My suggestion is that you research this and find out yourself. I'm not telling you this to be a jerk, but you need to learn a lot more about engines and more particularly a civic's engine before you start doing a head swap or add a turbo. If you don't know how these parts can affect each other and you do something wrong, then you could be the victim of a horrible mechanical disaster. My friend has been modifying cars for 15 years, and one little mistake that he made while installing a cam gear has costed him more than $2000 on his IS300 to fix.

 
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well big rob, im not a dumbass.. i know my stuff about cars, but i grew up working on v8's and fords mostly, this is my first civic, the cars im used to working on such as lets say a ford 302, we built with carbs and older things, i put a 302, with an edelbrock intake, holley 650 cfm carb, msd ignition 600a, with headman headers, and 3 chamber 2.5" flows droppin off behind the cab, im just new to civics... import world, and what the hell is a forum for? to research, why dont u find me a link that says well if u put ex head on a vp, and a turbo it does this? find it and ill go to it

 
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Yeah... your gonna run it a few problems, such as what type of turbo, what is the turbo setup, how is the tranny gonna take that abuse, syncros don't like bad shifting with the boost, might want a transmision cooller too. Also if you plan on running a decent amount of boost, better plan on upping the internals and a new clutch, maybe even axles. Gonna need a better radiator too, might want too. When comes to changinf heads, hope you have all the right tools, I would highly recommed getting a the factory repair manualy for both the EX and the VP, they're about 60 USD each.

If you want my suggestions, look into a driving school first. Learn how to tap the potential your car already has before you go get more. Not only that, but you might be relieze you want to focus on say suspension parts intead of all engine parts to produce a more well rounded car.

 
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i also remember seeing somewhere that turbo runs off of the exhaust manifold, or is linked to it somehow, so maybe thats why u think i am new to engines or whatever, i was just askin if i did v-tec head, could i run an ex exhaust manifold off of it, i assume that i could run a ex manifold off of this vp, but im not possitive, why pay for something i cant use? and what the heck is an is300? is that like an isuzu or something? see yall on this forum expect newbies, to know what a k20, or a k24 is, or a d17, or a b series engine whatever it is... its all you guys talk is numbers, and abbreviations, why dont u make a sticky of what it all is? and also i dont know much about turbo just trying to find out a little from guys with experience? like whats a wastegate

 
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An Is300 is a car made by Lexus. Not to be an ***, but you should use the search feature here or google turbos. To my knowledge you can install a V-TEC head and manifold but you might need a different ECU and modify the rest of the exhaust system. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong thx.

 
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C'mon now. Working on FORDs doesn't mean working on cars. :P j/k!

 
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an IS300 is a Lexus sports coupe/sedan, they're pretty decent

 
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Okay, an IS300 is a Lexus, it's a special Lexus though. I'm guessing you know what the Toyota Supra is right, the IS300 has the same engine as the N/A Supra (N/A means naturally aspired, no turbo or supercharger, the really fast Supra’s you see have a twin turbo system). Getting back to Honda though, their engines are grouped in families if you can imagine. To keep costs down Honda develops a single engine that is vary versatile and robust and then modifies it for certain applications. So lets look at the K series for example. the K series motor is a 4 cylinder with DOHC (dual over head cam) that has Honda's new VTECi in it. VTECi can shift cam profiles and adjust your cam timing while in motion. Now their are a lot of cars with the k series motor, the civic Si, Acura RSX, Honda Accord, Honda Element, Acura TSX and probably more that I am forgetting. IF we look at the RSX- type S, we will see it has a displacement of 2.0L, so Honda call that engine a K20. The Accord 4 cylinder has a displacement of 2.4L, so it is dubbed a K24. The K20 in the RSX-s is designed to be a fast engine, the car is light, not much torque is needed, so less displacement and higher revs where given to it to make it better on the track. IF you look at say the Accord, this is a heavy car compared to the RSX-s, so it needs more torque, and since it is mostly a family sedan, less high end hp is desired, so Honda bored the motor out and gave it more torque with a different set of cams for even more torque, with less high end. Now do realize that there are different K20's. For instance, the base model RSX and the civic Si has the K20 with only 160hp while the RSX-s has a K20 with 200hp, the numbers after k20 like K20A2, can tell which is which, but I forget all those numbers.

The B series is the K series of the 90's, they are DOHC motors that are known for having o torque, but being able to scream to well over 8,000 RPMs in some cases.

The D series motor are what is found in civics. They are the lowest in the Honda pecking order and are generally considered to be simply a good fuel economy engine that is ment for the masses and not to be raced. They are SOHC (single over head cam) and generally low compression with weak internals (actually very light internals to keep rotating mass down and get better MPG)

When you want to talk about turbo's you are in a whole different ball game, that it's self is a freaking book depending on how far you want to go.

 
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it's a car from Lexus.

and what the heck is a ford??? we don't condone those kinds of words in this forum.

 
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Wow, I got obliterated in this thread.
Sorry for assuming that you were new to cars. When I read the topic "sorry guys newbie here asking dumb q's" I read your post with the assumption that you were new to cars.
Yes, I know that the IS300 is a Lexus. I only used it as an example because it was the first thing that came to mind. The IS300 does have a great engine, though. The only difference between that engine and the supra's is that engine is made of aluminum rather than the iron block supra engines. Unfortunately, the highest hp achieved on an IS300 is around 700 rather than some 1000+hp supras out there.

 
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lol, sorry big rob, i should have been more specific... didnt mean to sound like an *** either, btw thank you to jrfish for clearing all of that k d b crap up for me... great help.. nah im just new to the import world.. yes i know that the mazda rx-7 has a rotory engine in it, and also the first rotary engine developed was dubbed the wankel.. dont belive me look it up.. i was just wondering about hondas... i know what like dohc is dual over head cams, and sohc is single over head cam, yeah dohc are faster, because they have the 2 seperate cams, one for exhaust one for intake.. my only question about the vtec... was that (correct me if i am wrong) but the 04-05 civic si which was only released in hb this year, has the 2.0 dohc in it, but the coupe and sedan(limited) were both 1.7l sohc, with a vtec head on it.. i read the DIY on here on how to do it, seemed pretty cheap and reliable... also something about an extra set of valves that only operate at certain rpm's... turbo yeah whole different story to that i know.. i do have to do some research on it, but like i dont know what the hell a wastegate is or anything like i said... but just correct me if i am wrong.. thats all i am asking for al ittle help to look at what i am dealing with.. the granny mobile.. or civic sedan vp.. which i have looks a little girly, so i am gonna do some things to it make it look a little more masculent, body kit, window tint, cf hood etc. but every other website throws me off, with 01-03, and then some 01-04 i know 04 parts fit my 05, vp is like the same as an 04 dx... but the headlight difference between the 03-04 i know there is one..so i didnt know if fenders woudl effect it.. not only that but i cant have a car thats all show no go.. i hate them, i belive u guys call em ricers.. right?

sorry about the ford... btw on a personal note, i did trade in my 94 t-bird pos, for this honda..

 
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oh one more thing i forgot... yeah i know the supra, sweet car... would love to have one with the twin turbo on it... and me being dumb and working 14 hours tonight, should have known that most cars that are letters and numbers are luxury cars.. like bmw, mercedes benz lexus.. etc, so my bad on that one.... and i can belive that a cam gear error could run u 2000 dollars. especially on a lexus...trust me... my mom has a 98 neon dohc, 2.0l, and the timing belt broke in motion, ran compression tests to see if she screwed the valves, well got compression in 1 and 3, but none in 2 and 4, pulled the head.. yup 12/16 valves gone...so i know what u mean cuz that neons costin like 700 to fix...i just think it would be fresh to have a nice 4dr that could run with some domestic sports car...

 
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flotsamm.... yeah u can put a vtec head on it, with a different ecu, but i belive theres a way in fact its a diy on here, or a sticky on how to install it using some computer thing..ill look it up in a minute..rest of the exhaust yes exhuast shop custom...

 
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Rukus
I too am a ford guy. I have nothin newer than 73 before this car. I too was looking for more power. I have a 2002 ex 5spd. I will not turbo just for the time and money i could just swap a k20. If I did not live in California I would do this swap before dropping another dime into the d17. Even with vtec its not really all that great. However my car has some suspension done and eats alot of culo in the corners. A drop and some wheels,tint and it will look far from when you bought it. Its a good place to start while you are trying to figure out what to do for power. Hope it helps.

 
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Well, he ended up getting one of the teeth off when he was setting it, so he ended up bending an exaust valve. A lot of that cost is just for the amount of time that was spent on the car to make sure that it wasn't just a timing problem. He didn't want the shop to open up the engine unless they had to. One positive thing is coming from it, though. While the engine was open, he had the head shaved and a few other things done that ended up giving a 14% increase in power. Because he had a few other mods prior, he was already getting 270hp. Now he is getting power in the 300+ range. For a 3200lb tuxedo car, that is pretty good (that is just my opinion, though)

 
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yeah that sounds about right... we also had to take and open the neon obviously.. to check and make sure the pistons were alright.. we are getting the head milled down too, dont know how much it will do.. btw heres the diy on the vtec http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=169411

i actually took some time to read it doesnt seem like a bad idea.. plus if i can get turbo the low compression will work better also...but my tranny is automatic, that may be a problem... not too sure,

i mean you guys gotta figure im drivin a 4dr civic...whether i get 2 or 28 whp it counts..if i can get it over 200, im almost positive that would be quick for a vic sedan? well at least around here it would

 
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yeah, but turbo hp isn't the same as N/A hp but yeah, 200 hp is nice, I would still just go for a K20 swap though, turbos on Honda's generally become unreliable.

 
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thats not good about the honda... now the k20? wouldnt that be very hard and expensive to do? with the dohc, trans, ecu, wiring harnesses, coil packs, alternator, p/s pump and everything?

 
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not only that but can i even fit a k20 under the hood of a sedan?? dont want to waste money now.. lol, but it would fly if i got the k20a2, thats the rsx base model 200 hp engine, k20a3 is the regular si motor, see i learned somethin

 
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well i do have another question can i even use the vtec with an automatic?? i hope so, i mean how much punch do u think it would have on the vp?

 
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yeah, listen to him...with a vp, you NEED to do some suspension mods, they handle like diarrhea stock. they have no factory sway bars or braces of any kind.

 
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ahhh... you had have an auto... For some reason I thought you had a manual. well here is quick run down of what you can do.

Almost every K series will fit into a civic, you will need to buy motor mounts from HASPORT, google hasport and honda and you will find them, they specialize in transplanting Honda motors. A set of mounts usually runs around $500.

Since you have the automatic, and you plan to stay auto, you basically have two choices. 1. is transplant the base RSX (base RSX has 160 hp, type-s is the 200 hp one) into your car. No the trannies do not match, so you will need everything from the RSX, even the axles (which are five lug) and brakes, best to get the entire front clip or find one hat has been rearended. Someplaces sell swap kits with everything you need. Hasport knows everything you will need and can probably give you a list. I am not sure if an auto tranny K20 will fit into a civic or not, you'll have to find that one out, I know the manual does. The only problem you will run into is that p/s mount/bracket will not fit, there is a soltuion to this, I just can't remember off the top of my head (I've never done a K swap, only B's). The other option is to go with the K24 auto form an Accord, this is much more rare, don't know of anybody with this one off hand, and would give you alot more torque, but I don't know of the diffculties involved with the K24 swap.

As for price, generally a type-s swap runs $5-6k if you do it your self and aound 7 if you have it done at a shop. the type-s is very rare motor to find though, and the base model RSX just doesn't get much love from the Honda nuts, so it is much cheaper, I would bet if you did the work yourself you could do it for well under $4k, probably closer to $3k. While this sounds costly, the K series is far better than the D series engine in you engine bay right now. They also tend to respond far better to things like turbos and superchargers, which are devolped already, all you have to do i bolt them on.

So yes, the K series does fit (although tight), I think there may even a a DIY on the K20 swap on this site.

VTEC certianly does work for auto's, not sure about the whole head swaping thing with an auto, but my soon to be wife drives an auto EX (all EX's come with D17 with VTEC).

 
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thats cool.. i know that a k24 in that would be soo awsome.. but i have no clue
as in how much i want to spend on this damn vp.. i think it is lame to be honest.. no power doors or anything, i mean id have to get 4 doors off of an lx or something to have power, and then wire it all up just to do it.. so i have been thinkin about that... but im glad the ex works on autos...