mufflers
exactly what it says
From the Axle back is right above the rear "axle". (or is ours wishbone suspension in the back)
From the Catalytic converter back is from the Cat Back....
From the Axle back is right above the rear "axle". (or is ours wishbone suspension in the back)
From the Catalytic converter back is from the Cat Back....
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an axle back may give our car a little more performance then a cat back thuough, just so u know, if u don't plan on doing anything major for ur engine, cuz our engines aren't really constricted by the exhaust anyways
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Yeah axle back replaces the entire rear section after the resonator. Catback replaces all the piping from the cat and usually comes with a new resonator.
Originally Posted by ACURAwerx
an axle back is pretty much a muffler and a catback is pretty much the whole exhaust underneath the car, i dont know if that is the correct way to explain it
are you guys serious about the axle back?
if so, i dont see how that would work though? =\ someone fill me in.
lets say the hks rear section vs 2.25" custom piping with muffler:
if so, i dont see how that would work though? =\ someone fill me in.
lets say the hks rear section vs 2.25" custom piping with muffler:
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Rep Power: 812 Well my axle back piping is slightly larger than stock. Catback or larger custom piping will free up the exhaust too much. With our small engines, low end will suffer as a result.
for those interested in axleback, either HKS or JIC.
JIC rear section, prototype ready, still testing....
http://www.jic-magic.com/Library/bul...pe1sus_app.htm
JIC rear section, prototype ready, still testing....
http://www.jic-magic.com/Library/bul...pe1sus_app.htm
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Rep Power: 812 I just put back my rear section today and felt the low end go away again. With the stock exhaust, acceleration up to 3k was faster. Don't know if I'm gonna keep it on. Maybe I'll wait til the intake gets installed and see if it improves.
Originally Posted by MIT
for those interested in axleback, either HKS or JIC.
JIC rear section, prototype ready, still testing....
http://www.jic-magic.com/Library/bul...pe1sus_app.htm
JIC rear section, prototype ready, still testing....
http://www.jic-magic.com/Library/bul...pe1sus_app.htm
shouldn't it be "EM2"? never heard of an ES chassis
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Originally Posted by ACURAwerx
no! cuz our engines have so little power, so opening up the exhaust so much especially when u get the bigger piping, more would give us less power, rather then just getting an axle back
You are wrong, axle-back will not give you more power than the cat-back!
With the axleback you are just eliminating the restriction of the oem muffler.
With the cat-back you get more performance, specially if you increase the ammount of air going thru the engine with a CAI. You eliminate the OEM muffler restriction plus you reduce a lot the engines backpressure. That's why you will get more performance in conjunction with a CAI System. You reduce the hot backpressure, and add freshier air with the CAI system.
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Originally Posted by gearbox
I just put back my rear section today and felt the low end go away again. With the stock exhaust, acceleration up to 3k was faster. Don't know if I'm gonna keep it on. Maybe I'll wait til the intake gets installed and see if it improves.
With most of the performance parts, you will loose low end power, most performance parts are designed for racing, where you mostly use your higher RPM's, so they sacrifice low end to compensate it with mid power and hi end power.
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Originally Posted by BlackFire
You are wrong, axle-back will not give you more power than the cat-back!
With the axleback you are just eliminating the restriction of the oem muffler.
With the cat-back you get more performance, specially if you increase the ammount of air going thru the engine with a CAI. You eliminate the OEM muffler restriction plus you reduce a lot the engines backpressure. That's why you will get more performance in conjunction with a CAI System. You reduce the hot backpressure, and add freshier air with the CAI system.
With the axleback you are just eliminating the restriction of the oem muffler.
With the cat-back you get more performance, specially if you increase the ammount of air going thru the engine with a CAI. You eliminate the OEM muffler restriction plus you reduce a lot the engines backpressure. That's why you will get more performance in conjunction with a CAI System. You reduce the hot backpressure, and add freshier air with the CAI system.
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Rep Power: 812 Nope. It prolly takes away power. The stock piping is pretty large already. Having any bigger is not gonna help unless you have turbo. And without backpressure, low end will suck.
catback give you loud noise, doenst means you go any faster~
cuz I saw some civic with lound noise muffler then slow like turtle.. ..cuz any bolt-on parts is kinda waste money in 7thGen Civic imo!.....its all in your mind!
cuz I saw some civic with lound noise muffler then slow like turtle.. ..cuz any bolt-on parts is kinda waste money in 7thGen Civic imo!.....its all in your mind!
hmm so lets say a 2003 ex manual vs 2003 ex manual WITH apexi n1 exhaust for example: who would win at the 1/4mile line and topspeed? just pretend theirs a driver clone in the other car.
i still believe catback exhaust gain something rather than nothing unless someone can prove me wrong with solid information =|
i still believe catback exhaust gain something rather than nothing unless someone can prove me wrong with solid information =|
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Rep Power: 282 Interesting discussion.
I think a cat back is a better investment.
How can an axle back help?.....much?
The exhaust is almost out of the car by then.
I just removed my cat and i have more flow....and better
response.My catback will be in next week so I will see for myself.
I think a cat back is a better investment.
How can an axle back help?.....much?
The exhaust is almost out of the car by then.
I just removed my cat and i have more flow....and better
response.My catback will be in next week so I will see for myself.
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Rep Power: 0 the apexi n1 on our car with no turbo is just overkill. turbo exhausts on a little 1.7 liter civic is going to slow it down i believe. Maybe itll make it faster at 6-7 rpms... Itll probably be even... however the 500 bux u paid for the exhaust u could get a nitrous kit or better tires or something to actually make ur car go faster... catbacks are only for performance cars and performance mods.. take for example, if u put an apexi n1 on a wrx, its going to make ur car noticably faster, cuz that is a performance car with a turbo. or the k20s, they are dohc have better vtec and actually have some power u can tap into
Originally Posted by jttegx
hmm so lets say a 2003 ex manual vs 2003 ex manual WITH apexi n1 exhaust for example: who would win at the 1/4mile line and topspeed? just pretend theirs a driver clone in the other car.
i still believe catback exhaust gain something rather than nothing unless someone can prove me wrong with solid information =|
i still believe catback exhaust gain something rather than nothing unless someone can prove me wrong with solid information =|
