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It definitely changes and more money doesn't get you a better product....got to aempower.com for example. They have several dyno tests for our cars. For my car for example (01 EX A/T) the best hp/torque #s were from AEM's cheapest product
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hahaha no difference what so ever. You just have different loses and gaines in different parts of the power band depending on the type you get.
No difference whatsoever?
http://aempower.com/pdf/dyno/22-501%...20AT%20SRS.pdf
decent boost on the low end, no change say 3750, a loss of LESS then 1/2hp to 4km then a 6hp gain to redline
Granted, this is for an 01 EX A/T (exactly what I have) and AEMs #s usually aren't this good.
http://aempower.com/pdf/dyno/22-501%...20AT%20SRS.pdf
decent boost on the low end, no change say 3750, a loss of LESS then 1/2hp to 4km then a 6hp gain to redline
Granted, this is for an 01 EX A/T (exactly what I have) and AEMs #s usually aren't this good.
Oh okay....I'll believe two random guys on a forum over published dynos from one of the most respected after-market manufacturers?....that makes more sense.
Results are going to be different cars in different climates at different elevations, with different fuels with different trannys and different motors. There can be a lot of variance. To just say "oh, that's fake" or "oh, that's wrong" with nothing to back it up is either a little lazy or a little ignorant. AEM products have been independently tested again and again. Sure, after market companies want to put the best face forward on their products but what you're talking about is a company opening themselves up for litigation....puhleaze.
FWIW, I have noticed no loss at the low end and a definite improvement at the top end. With that said, I would have never purchased their full on CAI or V2 for my application.
Results are going to be different cars in different climates at different elevations, with different fuels with different trannys and different motors. There can be a lot of variance. To just say "oh, that's fake" or "oh, that's wrong" with nothing to back it up is either a little lazy or a little ignorant. AEM products have been independently tested again and again. Sure, after market companies want to put the best face forward on their products but what you're talking about is a company opening themselves up for litigation....puhleaze.
FWIW, I have noticed no loss at the low end and a definite improvement at the top end. With that said, I would have never purchased their full on CAI or V2 for my application.
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You guys are something else. Okay I'll see it your way.
AEM intake +12hp
DC header +10hp
Greddy exhaust +15hp
AEM pulleys +10hp
Wow, my port and polish head doesn't even give me that kind of power. Come on now. Most people gain a total of 5-10whp from everything listed. If you believe the AEM dyno over a real life run, then you need to do more research.
AEM intake +12hp
DC header +10hp
Greddy exhaust +15hp
AEM pulleys +10hp
Wow, my port and polish head doesn't even give me that kind of power. Come on now. Most people gain a total of 5-10whp from everything listed. If you believe the AEM dyno over a real life run, then you need to do more research.
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Rep Power: 0 From what I know...Short Ram gives you low end and takes away top end.....CAI takes away low end but gives you top end. When I had my 6th gen I got a CAI by AEM and that is exactly what I felt. Im sure they don't add THAT much power because they just don't. I don't know where they get those numbers, but if they can do that to my car **** I'll give them a little extra from what the retail value is. My opinion intake = mod for sound not a mod for performance.
show me the dyno on your "real life" run. All dyno #s listed for individual mods are usually published best case runs and depend on all the factors I've mentioned above and any other mods on the car. I am not here to defend all AEM products only to say it is to simple to lay down blanket comments, like "it does nothing" or "they don't work"
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Oh okay....I'll believe two random guys on a forum over published dynos from one of the most respected after-market manufacturers?....that makes more sense.
Make that 3 noob.
You won't get those gains.
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However new I am has no bearing on whether or not I'm right.
Why don't you do some real research; heck search this site for the dyno. Don't believe everything that companies tell you.
I don't believe everything a company tells me, similarly I don't believe everything I see written on a web site by anonymous posters. The big difference is the lack of evidence of no gains. On one hand you have a company who is publishing claims in the public market place to support their product. This opens them up to litigation if those claims are incorrect in affect if they "lie". On the other hand I have people who say they're lying but don't have any proof other then what their *** hairs tell them while they're sitting in the driver's seat.
You know what? Y'all might be absolutely right....but to do anything other then be just talk, just another voice out there....you need proof. Show me the dyno of a pure stock car that then hooked up the intake and was tested again. You show me that and I'm with ya, without it, I'll stick with what proof I do have and what my butt hairs in my driver's seat are telling me.
I think everyone out there should definitely question how they came to the conclusions they have.....just because a lot of people are of an opinion doesn't mean they're right.
Anyway, I don't mean to give offense to anybody. I just try to look at both sides critically.
You know what? Y'all might be absolutely right....but to do anything other then be just talk, just another voice out there....you need proof. Show me the dyno of a pure stock car that then hooked up the intake and was tested again. You show me that and I'm with ya, without it, I'll stick with what proof I do have and what my butt hairs in my driver's seat are telling me.
I think everyone out there should definitely question how they came to the conclusions they have.....just because a lot of people are of an opinion doesn't mean they're right.
Anyway, I don't mean to give offense to anybody. I just try to look at both sides critically.
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Show me the dyno of a pure stock car that then hooked up the intake and was tested again. You show me that and I'm with ya, without it, I'll stick with what proof I do have and what my butt hairs in my driver's seat are telling me.
I think everyone out there should definitely question how they came to the conclusions they have.....just because a lot of people are of an opinion doesn't mean they're right.
I'm done with this thread. You believe whatever every company tells you.
yeah, why don't you get me a coffee....I'm not at work and my assistant usually does that for me. You are saying that AEM is committing fraud, you have the burden of proof. If this is so easy to prove, show me
Everyone is out to get me? I absolutely don't think that and don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
Everyone is out to get me? I absolutely don't think that and don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
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Rep Power: 812 Heh, yeah just buy the intake and make yourself believe that the sound means you're going faster. Worked for me at first.
But seriously, you're right. Don't believe what we say here. Go out of the net and do real research. Did you know that K&N air filters are junk? Well that's what "real life" tests I found conducted by at least 3 different individuals show. But K&N says their filters are the best--how convenient for their sales. Companies lie about gains or cover up problems all the time to make money. Whether you believe it or not, this is what's happening in the world.
But seriously, you're right. Don't believe what we say here. Go out of the net and do real research. Did you know that K&N air filters are junk? Well that's what "real life" tests I found conducted by at least 3 different individuals show. But K&N says their filters are the best--how convenient for their sales. Companies lie about gains or cover up problems all the time to make money. Whether you believe it or not, this is what's happening in the world.
I have the intake and the link I posted is for my same year/model/tranny as what I have. I am satisfied with it (I bought one used) and frankly don't dispute the published dyno. I don't feel a drop at the low end and notice an improvement at the top end.
I'm being told that dyno is a fabrication and that this is easily found out...... so far I haven't seen any proof. Do I doubt that in some applications there may not be an improvement? No, I don't doubt it. What I do question is people using blanket, simple responses to questions that require more then a "yes/no" answer or taking their own experience and extrapolating that to an absolute. What I find ironic is that I'M told to go do more research by people not providing any proof to back up their point other then an anonymous online posting or even allowing for the possibilty that they might NOT be correct in all scenarios. There are probably some very sharp people who post here but I am more discriminating then to just swallow anything anyone may choose to post.
Having differing opinions is cool with me but unless you can show me WHY that is your opinion then don't expect me to weight that opinion heavier then anyone elses. I really don't mind being wrong but I don't change my mind just because someone may happen to disagree with me. Like I said, show me the proof and cool, I'm with you....otherwise I'll go with the data I have from a reliable manufacturer and my own experience.
I'm being told that dyno is a fabrication and that this is easily found out...... so far I haven't seen any proof. Do I doubt that in some applications there may not be an improvement? No, I don't doubt it. What I do question is people using blanket, simple responses to questions that require more then a "yes/no" answer or taking their own experience and extrapolating that to an absolute. What I find ironic is that I'M told to go do more research by people not providing any proof to back up their point other then an anonymous online posting or even allowing for the possibilty that they might NOT be correct in all scenarios. There are probably some very sharp people who post here but I am more discriminating then to just swallow anything anyone may choose to post.
Having differing opinions is cool with me but unless you can show me WHY that is your opinion then don't expect me to weight that opinion heavier then anyone elses. I really don't mind being wrong but I don't change my mind just because someone may happen to disagree with me. Like I said, show me the proof and cool, I'm with you....otherwise I'll go with the data I have from a reliable manufacturer and my own experience.
gearbox....I did see your K&N thread...that was some good stuff. K&N had a bad rep back in the day when I was building up rotaries so they were never really on the radar for me. They used to work suprisingly well though when I was in school for a '69 Malibu we used to drag with...back then though you were just using their drop in filters.
With that said though it of course depends on what they mean by "best" or in what application they're referring to. I've had to study some case law on advertising in the marketplace (no longer related to my job) and though there is some flexibility allowed in product descriptions there are copious and enforceable laws that companies must follow or risk litigation. The more specific the data they put out the more culpable they are.
ANYWAY....fwiw, I was very pleased that for me, my sri doesn't make a sound difference at all unless I go to about 3/4 throttle or if I'm on a steep hill....
I'm not a person who expects my Civic to be a racer though.....I do like my Civic a lot more then I thought I would. I bought it as my commuter car and everything else I drove that got "very good" gas mileage was just a pig to drive and I am used to more performance oriented vehicles. I'm routinely getting 33 to 37 mpg in a car that I actually enjoy driving (and of course the growl of the SRI when I punch it is fun too)
Anyway,
With that said though it of course depends on what they mean by "best" or in what application they're referring to. I've had to study some case law on advertising in the marketplace (no longer related to my job) and though there is some flexibility allowed in product descriptions there are copious and enforceable laws that companies must follow or risk litigation. The more specific the data they put out the more culpable they are.
ANYWAY....fwiw, I was very pleased that for me, my sri doesn't make a sound difference at all unless I go to about 3/4 throttle or if I'm on a steep hill....
I'm not a person who expects my Civic to be a racer though.....I do like my Civic a lot more then I thought I would. I bought it as my commuter car and everything else I drove that got "very good" gas mileage was just a pig to drive and I am used to more performance oriented vehicles. I'm routinely getting 33 to 37 mpg in a car that I actually enjoy driving (and of course the growl of the SRI when I punch it is fun too)
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how is this an accurate dyno from aem at all? ... first off, an auto NEVER EVER goes to 7000 rpms. Second, if you are in 1st or 2nd gear (not D) then it will not be an accurate dyno anyway since you want to be as close to the 1.00 gear ratio, so your hp readings will be higher
please read this: http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...ht=aem+lx+dyno
and on that thread, look at HondaGuru's post, #11 ... he knows exactly what he is talking about and if you know even half as much as he does, you would know that we are correct
please read this: http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...ht=aem+lx+dyno
and on that thread, look at HondaGuru's post, #11 ... he knows exactly what he is talking about and if you know even half as much as he does, you would know that we are correct
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...ht=aem+lx+dyno
also look at this ... post # 14 ... he only dyno'ed at 101 whp MAX, and also had two other runs of 96 hp ... and he doesn't even have an LX ... he has an EX. You would think that with i/h/e, he would net more than that, wouldn't you? ... btw, as u can see, he has an AEM SRI
also look at this ... post # 14 ... he only dyno'ed at 101 whp MAX, and also had two other runs of 96 hp ... and he doesn't even have an LX ... he has an EX. You would think that with i/h/e, he would net more than that, wouldn't you? ... btw, as u can see, he has an AEM SRI
