Exospeed: D17 turbo race blocks
Exospeed: D17 turbo race blocks
We are well aware of the need for turbo race blocks for the D17 since many of you have turbo setups already. But the choices for the D17 is limited at this time for hardcore parts. Our engine builder just happend to mention to me that he is excited to get these D17 motors going. its going to be a change from all the B18 and H22 motors that we do so often.
So thats why we are eager to see who is down for this.
We just acquired 3 D17 blocks to start the R&D on custom piston and rod combos. Since custom pistons are pricey since they are one of parts, we will keep the compression ratio at 9: to 9.5:1 using a 75.5mm bore.
In that case, you can either use the piston for just a basic build up doing an overbore on stock cylinders or you can sleeve the block for a stronger setup. We are thinking of big bore pistons but for cost effectiveness for the majority of customers, 2mm overbore isnt going to give you your bang for the buck. So lets keep the pistons to a 75.5mm bore
The pistons will be done to our specs to mate with a rod combo. Arias will be used for the piston design and Rods, we are working on couple companies right now so we'll let you know soon on which we decide to do the combo with.
What we want to do is be able to offer 2 stages of race blocks.
Stage One will be a basic rebuild using upgraded Pistons and the Rods. micropolish the crank, bore and hone, hot tank, new oilpump, water pump and bearings. Keep in mind that all parts are quality OEM replacement parts so no cutting corners here.
The stage Two will just add the sleeving but still doing the same as stage 1.
So hows that sound?
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I know this 99.9% of you wont go this route, but we can take it up a notch for a stage 3 block with Totally custom pistons beside from the basic 75.5mm bore. Stroked motors will be in this category as well. And if you are even way way hardcore, we do custom Aluminum rods as well for full race setups.
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The best thing for us and everyone is for a commitment on who is willing to go this route.
So that pricing of pistons and rods wont be at the "custom" rate that applies when 1 or 2 at a time calls us. If someone wanted a Arias pistons and Crower rod combo right now, it would be in the $1200 range for a set. if we see that there are some that can commit and would willing to see if we can get a combo set in the $800-900 range.
We will be on the look out for more d17 cores so many of you wont have to go without your cars for awhile. Keep in touch with us and let us know what you guys think.
Wil
So thats why we are eager to see who is down for this.
We just acquired 3 D17 blocks to start the R&D on custom piston and rod combos. Since custom pistons are pricey since they are one of parts, we will keep the compression ratio at 9: to 9.5:1 using a 75.5mm bore.
In that case, you can either use the piston for just a basic build up doing an overbore on stock cylinders or you can sleeve the block for a stronger setup. We are thinking of big bore pistons but for cost effectiveness for the majority of customers, 2mm overbore isnt going to give you your bang for the buck. So lets keep the pistons to a 75.5mm bore
The pistons will be done to our specs to mate with a rod combo. Arias will be used for the piston design and Rods, we are working on couple companies right now so we'll let you know soon on which we decide to do the combo with.
What we want to do is be able to offer 2 stages of race blocks.
Stage One will be a basic rebuild using upgraded Pistons and the Rods. micropolish the crank, bore and hone, hot tank, new oilpump, water pump and bearings. Keep in mind that all parts are quality OEM replacement parts so no cutting corners here.
The stage Two will just add the sleeving but still doing the same as stage 1.
So hows that sound?
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I know this 99.9% of you wont go this route, but we can take it up a notch for a stage 3 block with Totally custom pistons beside from the basic 75.5mm bore. Stroked motors will be in this category as well. And if you are even way way hardcore, we do custom Aluminum rods as well for full race setups.
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The best thing for us and everyone is for a commitment on who is willing to go this route.
So that pricing of pistons and rods wont be at the "custom" rate that applies when 1 or 2 at a time calls us. If someone wanted a Arias pistons and Crower rod combo right now, it would be in the $1200 range for a set. if we see that there are some that can commit and would willing to see if we can get a combo set in the $800-900 range.
We will be on the look out for more d17 cores so many of you wont have to go without your cars for awhile. Keep in touch with us and let us know what you guys think.
Wil
Wil, I am so glad you decided to start R&D on the D17. I would be interested in seeing what you guys can come up with for sure. Alot of people on this board are unfamiliar with Exospeed but I have a feeling that's about to change. 
djo2: hehe I know the cam is another project. I havent forgotten. its just cam development takes a bit more time for us since there is more involved in it. but we are doing our best to get that project going as well.
KJG , we are in southern california.
dober: you know we are down to do it. its just time is so limited with us with racing almost everyweekend. our guys are at Atco, NJ this weekend and we are all flying to Rockingham, NC on the 23rd of May for the Battle of the imports.
I wish I can go on the board more often but i do try to help as much as I can in numerous boards. but the d17 is going to be a good project.
Keep in mind that everything is done all to what we want. we don't just send the crank and block to Arias and let them figure out what to do. We'll do all the measurements on the crank, piston design and relay what we want to the manufacturers on what we want for you guys. so any input is appreciated.
Keep in touch and if any of you are in NC or near Rockingham on the 23rd, come by and see us with Bisi's 10 sec All motor SOHC.
Wil
KJG , we are in southern california.
dober: you know we are down to do it. its just time is so limited with us with racing almost everyweekend. our guys are at Atco, NJ this weekend and we are all flying to Rockingham, NC on the 23rd of May for the Battle of the imports.
I wish I can go on the board more often but i do try to help as much as I can in numerous boards. but the d17 is going to be a good project.
Keep in mind that everything is done all to what we want. we don't just send the crank and block to Arias and let them figure out what to do. We'll do all the measurements on the crank, piston design and relay what we want to the manufacturers on what we want for you guys. so any input is appreciated.
Keep in touch and if any of you are in NC or near Rockingham on the 23rd, come by and see us with Bisi's 10 sec All motor SOHC.
Wil
By popular demand, we are also gearing up for complete head packages for the D17. we will have the valvetrain and valves available next week already so we can start working on the D17 heads.
Wil
Wil
so will the stage 2 kit be about the same as your d16 block 1700 or so?
and do you get a warrenty on the block like 3years 36000 miles or anything ?
and do you get a warrenty on the block like 3years 36000 miles or anything ?
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mndthegap1: the prices will be totally different than our website. the D17 will custom pistons and the rods there is only crower at this time or another custom rod set, so pricing will depend on how many people are willing to do these. the more people we get, the better pricing we can give so the blocks are custom pcs for each time we do it.
warranty is limited to parts that are found to be defective or if there is error in machining or assembly. if those issues do arise, it will most likely happen within the first 500 miles. after that, we cant cover these RACE motors.
deciuss: well, we really want to get the prices as low as possible, but it all depends on how many people will really want to commit. lets say its only you and another person, then the pistons are still CUSTOM sets and we have to charge custom piston prices, but if more get in on this, we can produce a good number of them to be considered custom but given to us at Shelf piston prices. in that case, we can extend the savings to you guys. same with the rods...
warranty is limited to parts that are found to be defective or if there is error in machining or assembly. if those issues do arise, it will most likely happen within the first 500 miles. after that, we cant cover these RACE motors.
deciuss: well, we really want to get the prices as low as possible, but it all depends on how many people will really want to commit. lets say its only you and another person, then the pistons are still CUSTOM sets and we have to charge custom piston prices, but if more get in on this, we can produce a good number of them to be considered custom but given to us at Shelf piston prices. in that case, we can extend the savings to you guys. same with the rods...
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F'n right...
I'm down.
How much will it be for a rebuilt motor. And how much to get the parts so they can be shipped and installed locally. I live in LA and its hard to get stuff done around here on a D-17.
I'm down.
How much will it be for a rebuilt motor. And how much to get the parts so they can be shipped and installed locally. I live in LA and its hard to get stuff done around here on a D-17.
1320racing: we are working on the pricing right now. on a fully built sleeved style block, its roughly going to be about $3400 right now. using crower rods and custom arias pistons. we want to get that a bit lower by having more people get in on the piston design buy so the price can be lowered a bit.
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Rep Power: 0 And thats for the complete block. Not an exchange or nothing. I want to be able to keep the stock block just in case. Also how much for a completely rebuilt, PnP, pistons, rods. If people want to be able to spray tons of NOS instead of turbo. More or less the N/A people.
Im not planning on running turbo.
I want my engine to be able to take a nice shot of NOS and hold good.
Im not planning on running turbo.
I want my engine to be able to take a nice shot of NOS and hold good.
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Rep Power: 0 But are the engines for Boost more expensive than motors built for N/A NOS purposes.
Looking for something cheaper than a 3,000 dollar motor.
I know you gotta pay to play but I'm not going to dish out 3,000 dollars on an engine. When I could go and put in a K-series motor for like 5,000.
Looking for something cheaper than a 3,000 dollar motor.
I know you gotta pay to play but I'm not going to dish out 3,000 dollars on an engine. When I could go and put in a K-series motor for like 5,000.
well depending on the pricing i may be interested.... ild like to see what the prices are gonna be for both stages.... also since im in NY how much is shipping going to add to this ?
Originally Posted by 1320Racing
But are the engines for Boost more expensive than motors built for N/A NOS purposes.
Looking for something cheaper than a 3,000 dollar motor.
I know you gotta pay to play but I'm not going to dish out 3,000 dollars on an engine. When I could go and put in a K-series motor for like 5,000.
Looking for something cheaper than a 3,000 dollar motor.
I know you gotta pay to play but I'm not going to dish out 3,000 dollars on an engine. When I could go and put in a K-series motor for like 5,000.
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Rep Power: 0 Would be nice to see some parts that accually work for the d17. Are you going to be increasing the displacement? Your not just regrinding the cams are you? What about just head jobs, PnP (5 or 7 angle), etc?
1320: its true that to build up a motor does take money. but to each their own. build up what you want. each person should do whats best for them and whats going to be fun for them. There has been this on going debate for years between the D vs B motors. To us, it doesnt matter what you build. enjoy which ever motor you want to build. if you are going for the fastest setup... remember there is always someone going to be faster than you... so whats the point in it all if thats all the goal is.
to keep it fun through the years. build whatcha like.. not what everyone else likes.
Dober: thanks always for the support.
Green Civic: as far as displacement. we can go to a 77-78mm bore, which bumps up the displacement to about 1.8L but the drawback on that is that the piston choices we have to make. we wouldnt be able to bring down the piston prices since it will be hard to do a large run on all the bore sizes and compression. at over 75.5mm bore, we would have to make it a custom piston.
to keep it fun through the years. build whatcha like.. not what everyone else likes.
Dober: thanks always for the support.
Green Civic: as far as displacement. we can go to a 77-78mm bore, which bumps up the displacement to about 1.8L but the drawback on that is that the piston choices we have to make. we wouldnt be able to bring down the piston prices since it will be hard to do a large run on all the bore sizes and compression. at over 75.5mm bore, we would have to make it a custom piston.
well, as far as cams, I know that wont be for awhile for us. i would hope some company will do a new billet cam, matbe crower. but if there is enough interest we can do a All motor Piston as well. anyone else interested let me know.
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Rep Power: 0 I would like to see a good intake manifold that helps build power though the whole power band instead of taking away lower torque to gain higher rpm torque...I know that edelbrock has done this with the B-series engines...I would also like to see a good cam for a N/A setup as well..
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Crower's doing a lot of R&D for the D17s, but they won't have it available until the end of the year at the earliest. They've already got billet rods for us, but it's $677 for a set. Also, the valve train stuff they're developing is for you VTEC guys. Exospeed, what do you offer for us LX non-VTEC guys? I'm boosted and would be more than willing to go all the way to the stage 3 (especially since I'd like to add nitrous at some point after building up), so put me down for the pistons and all the other options. Do you need the core in addition to the head? If so, what do you think shipping would be from the Southeast? But seriously, what can you offer us LX guys?
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Rep Power: 0 will, i am also very interested in a block from you guys...sorry it fell through last time...i now have a block and i am planning to send it to you guys as soon as i figure out what the best is for my situation...
i think that what i want to start out with the stage one kit with the aftermarket pistons and rods...with boost and the engine build, i am pretty sure that that will be enough power for the street...how much power do the you think that the block will be able to make with ust pistons and rods...i am not looking to be the fastest on the street...cause the fastest ones are always workin on their car, hahah...i dont have to have a 12sec car either...i just want a quick street car...let me know something man, and i will be getting ahold of you guys by phone shortly...thanks
i think that what i want to start out with the stage one kit with the aftermarket pistons and rods...with boost and the engine build, i am pretty sure that that will be enough power for the street...how much power do the you think that the block will be able to make with ust pistons and rods...i am not looking to be the fastest on the street...cause the fastest ones are always workin on their car, hahah...i dont have to have a 12sec car either...i just want a quick street car...let me know something man, and i will be getting ahold of you guys by phone shortly...thanks
