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i have a 2002 lx sedan. i have just got 6 1/2 kicker speakers for my car. i am getting an amp for x-mas. i want to hook the new speakers up to the amp. later on i might want to add another amp and some subs. i will spend between 100- 300. what kind of amp do i need. how many channels do i need? etc... please help. i don't know to much about this subject.

 
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4 channel amp..

In that price range you can get some decent one's... Lighting audio Strike series, MTX, Kenwood, Alpine, Clarion and Rockford would be good choices.... 50Wrmsx4 should be a plenty...there's cheaper one/'s like Earthquake, Lightnign audio Bolt series, JBL..but their built in crossovers are kinda crappy...

onlinecarstereo.com
ikesound.com
thezeb.com
and
etronics.com

are your best bet to find something you like in your range

 
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what's up with the quoting in every post.. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]

 
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why not a 5+ channel amp?

 
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because almost all 5 channel amps do not put out enough power for the subwoofer channel [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG].. 6 channel amps are generally rare and expensive.. (like Brax)

 
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im tired of arguing, and within 5 minutes i found more posts with misinformation or opinions toted as facts, and thus more misinformation, lies, or just plain ignorance, than i have fingers on one hand, whether it was known or not. I dont feel like arguing like 8 different points, but if i just let it all slide, then i dont add anything to this forum, and may as well leave. so ill just quote the part I can see doesnt match, and leave it at that. maybe you can tell me why i quoted what i did [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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i think a JL 500/5 would make a very nice amplifier pushing a single idq or single shiva or single tempest........

 
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Why is this missinformation?.. then?

 
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U.S. Amps makes a very nice 5-channel.

 
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dollar for dollar, show me a clarion or rockford that will outperform an earthquake or jbl. syaing that the EQ and jbl have crummy crossovers may be factualy correct, however is loading the reccommendations that rockford and clarion have fantastic crossovers. that implication is definitely factually incorrect, and in this field (you know this is true) these people will read your statement and go off telling people that clarion and rockford outperform earthquyake and jbl, because those amps have junk for crossovers, and rockford and clarion dont. which is just not true.

throw kenwood in there too, i havent met a kenwood yet that will outperform jbl or eq either.

 
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with a 4 channel amp, can i hook up 4 speakers, and an amp later on?

 
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absolutely.

 
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Powerwise all the one's I listed put what they say or more....the Crossovers on JBL's and EQ's aren't that good....but the amps are plenty powerful and clean..I didn;t say they weren't....and if people choose to read what I wrote and take it as 100% infallible..then that's up to them..I' wrong very rarely, but I don't wlays have the complete answers to everything..but help where me can.

As for your Clarion comment...their new 1000 watt class D amp....it's a slightly tuned down arc 1500D-R with extremely good crossovers and has better damping than any Class D JBL puts out....[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/IMG]

 
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havent heard of it or seen it yet, but specs dont impress me. real world performance does. ill be looking for that in my shop in the coming weeks....

and no you dont have to use complete info, but teh fact is, your being a salesman right now, and yoru selling lightning, alpine, rockford, and clarion by harping down on earthquake and jbl. And that is what we should expect to hear at a shop, not on an internet forum. on an internet forum, there should not be any bias agasint products that perform equally well. a more accurate way to say what you said would be to include rockford and clarion in teh list with earthquake and jbl, as i have found every single earthquake and jbl to outperform every clarion and rockford (and my shop deals rf and clarion, and earthquake, too)

the way you worded it was yoru choice, and if you wish, i am now correcting it to include rockford and clarion in teh list of amps with junk crossovers.

as to you being 100% infallible, thats not the issue, its not what you say that is misinformation, its what you dont say. again, people will read that post and think that rockfords and clarions have better crossovers than eq or jbl. thats just plain to sight that you implied that, whether you meant to or not. its not about you being wrong, its that others take what you imply and then going around speaking as if it was fact. then they go into shops and spout their lies to the shop managers, or go to other forums and talk about how much better clarion is over earthquake, cause eq has a crossover not built as well. which is total garbage. that is the issue here. and that is what i am addressing

 
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Partly true..I agree...I'm at work and generally post quicker versions of answers...but historically JBL and EQ's crossovers aren't exactly good.. RF's Lowpass filters on their class D amps are plenty decent.. Clarions X/O's are pretty good as well.

I suggested JBL and EQ as lower cost good quality solutions...I didn't mention crunch or pyramid.

Post here more often....give details out the wazoo...personally I don't always have time to type out all the details so I give quick basic answers

 
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your right, but they work

that may be true, but so are jbl xovers

if thats true, then so are EQ crossovers, cause model to model, an eq will sound better than a clarion. and lets say that what you implied before was true, that the clarion xo is better than the eq, then we are arguing a moot point. because if in teh real world an eq sounds better (and you wont find many in my town who disagree) and has a crappier xo, then the eq has got to have it where it counts somewhere else that makes up for the difference.

if clarions are only "pretty good" and rockfords are "plenty decent" i dont think youll find many people on this forum (there are lots who run jbl) who wont say the exact same thing about eq and jbl.

im sure youve seen the posts lately where people have been claiming its "neccesary" to run an offboard crossover with a jbl class D. its these kinds of threads that propagate such myths.

ill put up cash anyday to the 1200.1 outperforming the equal rocford amp, considering ALL aspects of performance, including sound quality and crossover performance.

and earthquake and jbl would also be very good choices.

 
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never said they weren't good..I said cheaper [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]..

the X/O's on JBL and EQ's work..they do their job...but with that much is often alot better to run a 24db/octave high quality crossover to avoid toasted subs..or crappy sound..

Like I said.. post often and include every detail you can about every single thing....your more than welcome, you really know your stuff and it would give me the time to focus on work more [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]..

 
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maybe im not with the times anymore, but last i checked, rockford, clarion, alpine, lightning all didnt also have 24 db slopes.....

you could say the same thing about them too. your singling out potentially better performing amps and blacklisting them by saying they are cheaper, or not saying they would be "good choices" and now by saying they alone would require external crossovers to help prevent "toasted subs..or crappy sound"

so your continuing to hate on eq and jbl, even tho again i will say that ill put money down that jbl will outperform rockford, and eq will outperform clarion (havent seen teh "new" one yet, that one doesnt count yet) every time, equal amp to equal amp, considering all aspects of performance.

plz see above post about what that implys and what others will think about eq and jbl because of that statement.

 
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okay....they are not as expensive but in the same general performance area as....how's that sound?..or should I actually word it

RF amps produce more power than they are rated for, but their class a/b's run a little warmer than most, and the corrosovers are meerely typical among most amps, their lowpass X/O's on their class D amps are above average..Clarion offers good s/n ratios and put out slightly more power than they are rated for, their crossovers are typical, but most of their amps use lower quality barrier strip type wire connectors, MTX grossly underrates their amps. Their crossovers are typical, they have generally lower damping ability than most amps in their price range, Kenwoods amps are pretty much as average as they can be, Lighting audio Strike seres amps use RF bopards and outputs but have better crossovers, but look ugly and because the heat sinks are steel can't run really hard at 2ohm's without the optional cooling fans. JBL and Earthquake's amps are good clean amps with lower quality crossovers and can be found online for considerably cheaper than the above mentioned. Lightning audio Bolt series amps are clean amps with poor crossovers at an even lower price......

lotta typing...what did I miss?

 
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you missed the point fully.

let me try to explain. You have alot of influence here on this board. alot. and you know this. caraudio is a field that everyone thinks they know SOMETHING about. again, you know this. furthermore, everyone thinks that everyone else knows jack **** about caraudio. again, you know this.

so, when you say something, like "eclipse can get loud, but JL's you just pay for the name", what are you saying? eclipses CAN get loud! and JL's you do end up paying quite a bit extra for that name!

but what are you saying abotu teh product itself?

lets take your very first example again. "Lighting audio Strike series, MTX, Kenwood, Alpine, Clarion and Rockford would be good choices" its absolutely true and factual. furthermore, each of these amps most likely would do exactly what civicboy wants it to, and perform beyond his expectations. furthermore, other people ion this board will read this, and understand that if they are trying to do a basic audio setup, that any of these brands would be "good choices" and if they went to a shop, that sold rockford, but not lightning, and they just ripped apart lightning (as shops will do) he knows that rockford is a good choice still.

now the second part: "there's cheaper one/'s like Earthquake, Lightnign audio Bolt series, JBL..but their built in crossovers are kinda crappy..."
look at the way this is worded. first of all, the buzz words "cheaper" and "crappy" first set off alarms. noone wants an amp in their car that has a crappy crossover! noone wants "cheap" audio equipment in their car, what is this, pyramid??

But we look at the information, and its absolutely true! their crossovers arent exactly the best! but tehn again, neither are rockfords nor clarions, nor lightnings, nor kenwoods........ what i want to know is why did you single jbl and eq out, but not the others?

now: back to what i was saying before. without ever actaully saying anything factually incorrect, you have now just blacklisted jbl and eq. and people on this board will believe you. because you have lots of weight around here. They may go to a shop, that deals earthquake, and tell teh people there "id rather run clarion over earthquake. the crossovers on the earthquake suck" now, you know, as well as i do, in the real world, performance between an earthquake amp and the clarion isnt gonna come down to crossover performance! yet this "guy" fictional character, maybe even a mustang driver browsing our forum laughing at teh rice, has now taken something FACTUALLY true that you said, taken it to a shop, and not only made an *** of himself, but has wasted the time of the salesman at the shop. furthermore, he will go telling all his friends about this when they get together and BS about audio, and now you have an entire group of people who are spreading lies abotu caraudio!

the reason for this very long post is here: what is the solution? is it to include every small little detail about every reccommended product and a detailed list of advantages and disadvantages of each one? no! its cumbersome, pointless, and kinda silly, actually (cant tell if you actually believed thats what i was trying to say before, or if you were trying ot push that in my face as the only solution... thats a logical falicy!) The REAL solution is to be careful abotu what you say! you have alot of power in here, and this isnt the place to be making sales pitches by implying one piece orf equipment will perform better than another despite having the same characteristics on paper (and just ignoring one side of it) because people will read between your lines!

the solution is to not make factual comments using half truths, sure they are true, but have you ever heard the phrase "a half truth is worse than a lie"? by hiding one side of the facts while exposing on teh other is doing just that!

you say the solution is to post as much detail as possible, expose both sides? why not not mention the falicy of the other side? you didnt mention the crossover on teh clarion or rockford becasue it was "good enough" the amps were "good choices". the cfact of the atter is, that earthquake and jbl are "good enough" and also "good choices" too! thats all that was neccesary to say! you didnt even need to bring up the bit abotu teh crossover at all! if they dont know, dont let them get confused by it!

let them post "well, i heard that the crossover wasnt very good or something..." then you can reply (since now they show interest) that yeah, its not the best out there, but its the same as you will find in the other amplifiers, and all the amps will still perform about teh same (which i guarantee you the average enthusiast will not tell the difference)

and THAT, was the point.

 
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All that being said....

everyone beleive me..Pyramid is the best!!!


j/k.. I see your point pretty good.. As before I gotta watch myself here and there..tis not what I say..but how I convey the info at times...