Using an Accord key for Civic?
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Using an Accord key for Civic?
Has anyone tried to adapt an Accord key to a Civic. It sure would be sweet to have the remote in the key-head and save some space on the key ring. The overall shape of the key would work. Could a dealer cut and program a key for my 2005 civic ex?
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The VW and Audi keys are sweet. It's strange how the little nice things don't get incorporated into all car models. Like the Auto-up feature on drivers window, they have the auto-down, it can't be that hard. Anywho, called the dealer today and asked about buying an Accord key and getting it programed for my Civic. The service guy claims they have different frequency ranges and there's no way to get the accord key to send the civic signal. I kanda got the feeling he didn't understand what I was asking though. Maybe the accord key has a different set of brains, but it should be able to send any frequency. It would be a strage design to have Civics on one set of bands and the Accords on a different one. Why would you want that? So the call is still out: Has anyone with more electrical know-how tried this?
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i didn't know there was male/female names for keys...but my girl has an 04 VP and her key is like the one pictured ^^
male = normal (like a door) key
female = like the one pictured
?? is that right?
male = normal (like a door) key
female = like the one pictured
?? is that right?
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I know for a fact that '03 civic keys look like the one pictured,
and also that the '01 civic has what I would call a 'normal' key design:
and also that the '01 civic has what I would call a 'normal' key design:
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ooooooh...ya now i see what you are talking about with that first picture..wierd cuz the first time everybody saw it like the picture you posted ^..but you saw it inverted...like a valley. then when I went back to look at the first pic...i was llike "woah..it IS inverted" i had to double take it. crazy how the mind/eyes play tricks on you at quick glances
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i wouldnt want that accord key anyways, my dad has an 05 accord and i hate the key, its huge.
now, if it was like the VW keys, i'd be all over it.
now, if it was like the VW keys, i'd be all over it.
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yeah VW keys are where its at ive been driving my stepdads accord while hes in texas and that key is so effin huge...
im willing to bet that if you took yer key to an alarm place they could cut the brain out for you and then you could get blank VW key and have it cut.. then do a lil arts and crafts to get the chip in it and then you would be set..... and well.. if it dosent work then yer only out like ... hmm.. well that would be a lot of money.. $70 for a chip key from honda.. probly like $50-80 for a blank VW key.. hmm.. yeah ok it would be hot as hell and id be all about it.. but.. yeah.. thats more than i wanna drop to have it not workout the way i want it to
im willing to bet that if you took yer key to an alarm place they could cut the brain out for you and then you could get blank VW key and have it cut.. then do a lil arts and crafts to get the chip in it and then you would be set..... and well.. if it dosent work then yer only out like ... hmm.. well that would be a lot of money.. $70 for a chip key from honda.. probly like $50-80 for a blank VW key.. hmm.. yeah ok it would be hot as hell and id be all about it.. but.. yeah.. thats more than i wanna drop to have it not workout the way i want it to
Just so everybody is clear on terminology here. The Accord key in the picture as well as Civic keys from 2003 and up are what is known as 4-track milled keys. They are also commonly mis-named as "laser keys". This is incorrect as a laser doesn't have anything to do with the cutting of the keys. They are milled keys. They have a Megamos transponder IC embedded in the plastic portion of the key. You do NOT have to go to Honda to get a key duplicated. A well-equipped locksmith can duplicate a key and clone the transponder or program the immobilizer to accept the new key. Any lost keys should also be programmed out by the locksmith.
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when i was in cali for spring break, at a mall there was a guy with a stand with vw style flip out keys that said he could mill those into keys for the new civic and reprogram them....he wanted 75 dollars though, and i bet if i got it it wouldnt have worked, then he would have not taken it back, so i didnt bother with it.
I know that an RSX owner took his RSX key, and took the brain of his remote and stuffed it into an accord key housing, and screwed it back together. Anything is possible......with some thought and trying
Now, someone was talking about how some of the nice things don't get into all cars. (I.E cool keys, auto up window, etc.) Now, I can tell you that Honda does the chain of command. The coolest stuff starts at the NSX, and the RL, and trickles all the way down to the civic. I have homelink, I have auto-up windows, I have a bad *** key system, etc. It just takes time to trickle down. I see parts on the civics that were on the accords years before. the 7th gen civics use the same keys as the 6th gen accords. So it just takes awhile for stuff to get to the civic, since it's at the bottom of the honda food chain.
And I don't understand how people don't like the new accord key...my girl likes carrying my one key/fob, than her key/remote. If you actually compare the two, the civic key/fob is way bigger than the accord key/fobjso you know
Now, someone was talking about how some of the nice things don't get into all cars. (I.E cool keys, auto up window, etc.) Now, I can tell you that Honda does the chain of command. The coolest stuff starts at the NSX, and the RL, and trickles all the way down to the civic. I have homelink, I have auto-up windows, I have a bad *** key system, etc. It just takes time to trickle down. I see parts on the civics that were on the accords years before. the 7th gen civics use the same keys as the 6th gen accords. So it just takes awhile for stuff to get to the civic, since it's at the bottom of the honda food chain.
And I don't understand how people don't like the new accord key...my girl likes carrying my one key/fob, than her key/remote. If you actually compare the two, the civic key/fob is way bigger than the accord key/fobjso you know
Actually, I have been considering doing this myself.
I have an '04 EX Coupe and it does have the Accord style locks (by the way the guy at the dealer parts department called it a "Sidewinder key" referring to the outside cut style).
Also, I do know there's a DIY out on the net from a guy who chopped up one of these keys and put his stock TSX key shaft in it (a standard cut pre-sidewinder key) and got it to work, so for those of you with the older key style, that would be the way to go, not replace all your locks$$$$$
But again, it will all be a moot point if the fob head remote won't jive with the Civic keyless. I'm going to try the reprogram experiment soon so I will let you all know what happens...
By the way, if anyone ever wondered how to reprogram your own keyless, it's here:
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/art...ticle_35.shtml
Stay tuned!
I have an '04 EX Coupe and it does have the Accord style locks (by the way the guy at the dealer parts department called it a "Sidewinder key" referring to the outside cut style).
Also, I do know there's a DIY out on the net from a guy who chopped up one of these keys and put his stock TSX key shaft in it (a standard cut pre-sidewinder key) and got it to work, so for those of you with the older key style, that would be the way to go, not replace all your locks$$$$$
But again, it will all be a moot point if the fob head remote won't jive with the Civic keyless. I'm going to try the reprogram experiment soon so I will let you all know what happens...
By the way, if anyone ever wondered how to reprogram your own keyless, it's here:
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/art...ticle_35.shtml
Stay tuned!
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PS: the TSX to Accord key chop DIY is here:
http://www.acuraworld.com/index_file...cord%20key.htm
The pics don't show up but you can access them directly here:
http://www.acuraworld.com/index_file...d%20key_files/
http://www.acuraworld.com/index_file...cord%20key.htm
The pics don't show up but you can access them directly here:
http://www.acuraworld.com/index_file...d%20key_files/
Hm, already may have encountered a problem here...
Accord-(no pun)-ing to these TSBs from Honda, the Accord key immobilizer chip is a type 4 rolling-code transponder, whereas the Civic uses a type 3 stationary. Unless I am misunderstanding this, it would mean that the immobilizer chip in the Accord key can NOT be programmed to work with the Civic.
Of course then this could still be worked around by gutting the chip out of the Accord key and replacing it with the chip from a Civic key... but again, I have yet to even test the fob button program, so maybe getting ahead of myself...
Here are the TSBs on the chips:
Accord type 4 rolling code chip keys are stamped with a "V":
http://www.hondalac.com/service/Bulletins/x02-053e.pdf
Civic type 3 keys using stationary code (mine is stamped with an "F" btw)
http://www.hondalac.com/service/Bulletins/x01-053e.pdf
Also, the Civic crowd (and the Acura crowd above) are apparently not the only ones who think this is worth doing - I just found this:
http://www.hondasuv.com/stg/viewtopi...554b6c0291bcca
This is starting to look like a more popular mod than I had guessed! So much for being original!
Still gonna try it tho...
Accord-(no pun)-ing to these TSBs from Honda, the Accord key immobilizer chip is a type 4 rolling-code transponder, whereas the Civic uses a type 3 stationary. Unless I am misunderstanding this, it would mean that the immobilizer chip in the Accord key can NOT be programmed to work with the Civic.
Of course then this could still be worked around by gutting the chip out of the Accord key and replacing it with the chip from a Civic key... but again, I have yet to even test the fob button program, so maybe getting ahead of myself...
Here are the TSBs on the chips:
Accord type 4 rolling code chip keys are stamped with a "V":
http://www.hondalac.com/service/Bulletins/x02-053e.pdf
Civic type 3 keys using stationary code (mine is stamped with an "F" btw)
http://www.hondalac.com/service/Bulletins/x01-053e.pdf
Also, the Civic crowd (and the Acura crowd above) are apparently not the only ones who think this is worth doing - I just found this:
http://www.hondasuv.com/stg/viewtopi...554b6c0291bcca
This is starting to look like a more popular mod than I had guessed! So much for being original!
Last edited by seattlex19; Sep 26, 2005 at 03:52 PM.



