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Well....I have a KX 600.1 and two Kicker S10L7's (600 watt rms each)....yes I know I am underpowering them but I need to know if there is anyway you can hook it up so it is not draining power right off the battery and if there isn't how much damage am I doing playing the music loudly while driving about an hour a day? Ahh and I suppose I will go ahead and ask what amp would be good to power those subs when I get the money.....and is a custom fiberglass perfect fit trunk sub box really worth spending $450 in comparison to buying a custom made ported box for $150? Sorry to ask so many questions but I know so little.
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Rep Power: 348 One thing you can do to save your battery is get a capacitator, and another is to get a battery to directly connect to your system, but that means another alternator and such. I would get a cap if your worried about draining power. About the box, the sound won't be too much different. For that price you are mostly paying for the looks and how well it goes with the trunk, there will be a little better SQ with the fiberglass box. About the amp I don't know, I like my Rockford fosgate, I would just get any amp that is bigger and puts out more wattage...
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Rep Power: 0 Your really giving them 300rms and 600 max each w/ that amp. I wouldn't worry about it. There are many that run far more power than that and never have issues.
As far as a bigger amp. I doubt you'd notice any difference if you got one w/ more power. You have a great amp and its plenty of power for two 10's. I have a Kicker 400.1 on a single 12".
Same w/ the box. I doubt you'd hear the difference.
As far as a bigger amp. I doubt you'd notice any difference if you got one w/ more power. You have a great amp and its plenty of power for two 10's. I have a Kicker 400.1 on a single 12".
Same w/ the box. I doubt you'd hear the difference.
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Rep Power: 0 If you want an amp with more power.. go with the JBL 600.1 or 1200.1
Japanese brand amps are slow to pound bass.. so if you want RAW power.. go with JBL... that's real power for you!
I've seen subs get blown out by JBL amps that are below their power rating. The next best amps I'd say for your subs would be the Rockford Fosgates... but if you can.. go with the JBL. The JBL 600.1 is serious coin but it's WELL worth the money.
Japanese brand amps are slow to pound bass.. so if you want RAW power.. go with JBL... that's real power for you!
I've seen subs get blown out by JBL amps that are below their power rating. The next best amps I'd say for your subs would be the Rockford Fosgates... but if you can.. go with the JBL. The JBL 600.1 is serious coin but it's WELL worth the money.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Connie
One thing you can do to save your battery is get a capacitator, and another is to get a battery to directly connect to your system, but that means another alternator and such. I would get a cap if your worried about draining power. About the box, the sound won't be too much different. For that price you are mostly paying for the looks and how well it goes with the trunk, there will be a little better SQ with the fiberglass box. About the amp I don't know, I like my Rockford fosgate, I would just get any amp that is bigger and puts out more wattage...
One thing you can do to save your battery is get a capacitator, and another is to get a battery to directly connect to your system, but that means another alternator and such. I would get a cap if your worried about draining power. About the box, the sound won't be too much different. For that price you are mostly paying for the looks and how well it goes with the trunk, there will be a little better SQ with the fiberglass box. About the amp I don't know, I like my Rockford fosgate, I would just get any amp that is bigger and puts out more wattage...
2 - How in god's name would a box made out of fiberglass induce any sort of better sound? As long as the box isnt resonating, flexing, or leaking, material is COMPLETELY irrelevant
3 - the only way youll notice any difference in sound really is if you double the wattage, and even then it wont be much
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by NoSpleeny
If you want an amp with more power.. go with the JBL 600.1 or 1200.1
Japanese brand amps are slow to pound bass.. so if you want RAW power.. go with JBL... that's real power for you!
I've seen subs get blown out by JBL amps that are below their power rating. The next best amps I'd say for your subs would be the Rockford Fosgates... but if you can.. go with the JBL. The JBL 600.1 is serious coin but it's WELL worth the money.
If you want an amp with more power.. go with the JBL 600.1 or 1200.1
Japanese brand amps are slow to pound bass.. so if you want RAW power.. go with JBL... that's real power for you!
I've seen subs get blown out by JBL amps that are below their power rating. The next best amps I'd say for your subs would be the Rockford Fosgates... but if you can.. go with the JBL. The JBL 600.1 is serious coin but it's WELL worth the money.
2 - how the hell does an amp's country of origin in any way define the speed of the bass coming out? JBL amps are good for one thing, the person whos lookin for a lot of power at a low price and doesnt care much for quality
3 - only way to blow a speaker with a lower amount of power than its rated for is a - the speaker has a flase rating, b - overexcurting it, c - improper enclosure, d - playing below tuned frequency in a ported box, e - clipping it
4 - jbl 600.1 isnt serious coin, its actually about 50% cheaper than a kicker 600.1
AND FINALLY, to the starter of this thread, you will in no way damage ANY part of your electrical system in any way with a mere 600 watts... if i didnt damage it with 2kW then you wont scratch it with 600
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Rep Power: 0 First a vented box is always louder than a sealed box a general rule is twice as loud if the vented box is actually designed and built right. Also you do need more power but please don't buy no damn rockfor please!!!!, it is ok stuff but so over rated I promise you, If I were in your position I would just buy another amp like the one you got now so that they match and see if your local shop that you bought the subs from will swap your subs for the right ohm subs that you will need for 2 amps, like right now you should have two dual 2 ohms so when you get 2 amps you'll need dual 4 ohms to get the full power of the amps safely, good luck swapping them out
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Originally posted by big99mike
First a vented box is always louder than a sealed box a general rule is twice as loud if the vented box is actually designed and built right. Also you do need more power but please don't buy no damn rockfor please!!!!, it is ok stuff but so over rated I promise you, If I were in your position I would just buy another amp like the one you got now so that they match and see if your local shop that you bought the subs from will swap your subs for the right ohm subs that you will need for 2 amps, like right now you should have two dual 2 ohms so when you get 2 amps you'll need dual 4 ohms to get the full power of the amps safely, good luck swapping them out
First a vented box is always louder than a sealed box a general rule is twice as loud if the vented box is actually designed and built right. Also you do need more power but please don't buy no damn rockfor please!!!!, it is ok stuff but so over rated I promise you, If I were in your position I would just buy another amp like the one you got now so that they match and see if your local shop that you bought the subs from will swap your subs for the right ohm subs that you will need for 2 amps, like right now you should have two dual 2 ohms so when you get 2 amps you'll need dual 4 ohms to get the full power of the amps safely, good luck swapping them out
Rockfords good stuff man. They offer some very powerful amps like the 1500bd, which will push close to 2500 watts.
What kind of amp would you recommend bigmike?
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Rep Power: 299 Originally posted by NoSpleeny
If you want an amp with more power.. go with the JBL 600.1 or 1200.1
Japanese brand amps are slow to pound bass.. so if you want RAW power.. go with JBL... that's real power for you!
I've seen subs get blown out by JBL amps that are below their power rating. The next best amps I'd say for your subs would be the Rockford Fosgates... but if you can.. go with the JBL. The JBL 600.1 is serious coin but it's WELL worth the money.
If you want an amp with more power.. go with the JBL 600.1 or 1200.1
Japanese brand amps are slow to pound bass.. so if you want RAW power.. go with JBL... that's real power for you!
I've seen subs get blown out by JBL amps that are below their power rating. The next best amps I'd say for your subs would be the Rockford Fosgates... but if you can.. go with the JBL. The JBL 600.1 is serious coin but it's WELL worth the money.
JBL SUCKS!
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Rep Power: 0 I have been installing now for almost 6 years and 5 of those years worked somewhere that sold rockford and trust me that 1500BD has nothing but problems if your rca input voltage is too high it cant handle it and it cuts off , and if your battery voltage is too low then the amp will cut off, it is a picky amp, trust me if you just have to have rockford at least go with BD1000it is a more bulletproof amp with less problems and if you need more power then buy 2 of them, and the sheets of paper that come with a rockford amp that tells you the power, read it more carefully they're rated at like 14 or 15 voltswhich you will not have especially in a honda civic, also they dont specify the frequency which they rested them at which you can only assume like 1KHz or something like that.
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Rep Power: 299 Originally posted by big99mike
I have been installing now for almost 6 years and 5 of those years worked somewhere that sold rockford and trust me that 1500BD has nothing but problems if your rca input voltage is too high it cant handle it and it cuts off , and if your battery voltage is too low then the amp will cut off, it is a picky amp, trust me if you just have to have rockford at least go with BD1000it is a more bulletproof amp with less problems and if you need more power then buy 2 of them, and the sheets of paper that come with a rockford amp that tells you the power, read it more carefully they're rated at like 14 or 15 voltswhich you will not have especially in a honda civic, also they dont specify the frequency which they rested them at which you can only assume like 1KHz or something like that.
I have been installing now for almost 6 years and 5 of those years worked somewhere that sold rockford and trust me that 1500BD has nothing but problems if your rca input voltage is too high it cant handle it and it cuts off , and if your battery voltage is too low then the amp will cut off, it is a picky amp, trust me if you just have to have rockford at least go with BD1000it is a more bulletproof amp with less problems and if you need more power then buy 2 of them, and the sheets of paper that come with a rockford amp that tells you the power, read it more carefully they're rated at like 14 or 15 voltswhich you will not have especially in a honda civic, also they dont specify the frequency which they rested them at which you can only assume like 1KHz or something like that.
1. These amps, LIKE all amps love High RCA Voltage(which means you get to turn the gain down), Your going to be lucky if you can find a deck that runs over 7 volts from the RCA's
2. Well of course with ANY amp, if the voltage is to low, its not gonna work.
3. 1000bd is more bullet proof? Can you provide some proof how this amp is more reliable.
Do you even know what the Diffence in the 1500 and the 1000 bd is?
4. Civics dont have 14 volts??? After you start your car you will.
5. This is a class D amp, its not gonna hit 1kHz, You should know as an installer that Deeper bass notes pulls more watts.
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First a vented box is always louder than a sealed box a general rule is twice as loud if the vented box is actually designed and built right. Also you do need more power but please don't buy no damn rockfor please!!!!, it is ok stuff but so over rated I promise you, If I were in your position I would just buy another amp like the one you got now so that they match and see if your local shop that you bought the subs from will swap your subs for the right ohm subs that you will need for 2 amps, like right now you should have two dual 2 ohms so when you get 2 amps you'll need dual 4 ohms to get the full power of the amps safely, good luck swapping them out
I have been installing now for almost 6 years and 5 of those years worked somewhere that sold rockford and trust me that 1500BD has nothing but problems if your rca input voltage is too high it cant handle it and it cuts off , and if your battery voltage is too low then the amp will cut off, it is a picky amp, trust me if you just have to have rockford at least go with BD1000it is a more bulletproof amp with less problems and if you need more power then buy 2 of them, and the sheets of paper that come with a rockford amp that tells you the power, read it more carefully they're rated at like 14 or 15 voltswhich you will not have especially in a honda civic, also they dont specify the frequency which they rested them at which you can only assume like 1KHz or something like that.
2 - input voltage too high? thats because you set teh gain too high
3 - cars not at 14 volts? well, your alternator outputs 14.4, you must be having a problem with it
4 - what does a testing frequency have anything to do with rated output? frequency is irrelevant in power output, but it is relevant in terms of THD, Damping, slew rate, etc. (all things that dont matter in bass)
5 - i am not a fan of fosgate at all, i just dont like misinformation
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by DIZZLE
1. These amps, LIKE all amps love High RCA Voltage(which means you get to turn the gain down), Your going to be lucky if you can find a deck that runs over 7 volts from the RCA's
2. Well of course with ANY amp, if the voltage is to low, its not gonna work.
3. 1000bd is more bullet proof? Can you provide some proof how this amp is more reliable.
Do you even know what the Diffence in the 1500 and the 1000 bd is?
4. Civics dont have 14 volts??? After you start your car you will.
5. This is a class D amp, its not gonna hit 1kHz, You should know as an installer that Deeper bass notes pulls more watts.
1. These amps, LIKE all amps love High RCA Voltage(which means you get to turn the gain down), Your going to be lucky if you can find a deck that runs over 7 volts from the RCA's
2. Well of course with ANY amp, if the voltage is to low, its not gonna work.
3. 1000bd is more bullet proof? Can you provide some proof how this amp is more reliable.
Do you even know what the Diffence in the 1500 and the 1000 bd is?
4. Civics dont have 14 volts??? After you start your car you will.
5. This is a class D amp, its not gonna hit 1kHz, You should know as an installer that Deeper bass notes pulls more watts.
5 - xtant offers a full range (20 hz to 20 khz) class D amp,
and please explain to me how bass pulls more watts?
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1 - eclipse offers a deck with 16 volts
5 - xtant offers a full range (20 hz to 20 khz) class D amp,
and please explain to me how bass pulls more watts?
1 - eclipse offers a deck with 16 volts
5 - xtant offers a full range (20 hz to 20 khz) class D amp,
and please explain to me how bass pulls more watts?
1. Eclispes offer 16 volts balanced. 8 Volts unbalanced. If you dont know the differnce than you need to go look at you little post with all your websites.
2. Im not talking about an Xtant Class D full range (which is really a class t IMO), Im talking about ROCKFORD FOSGATE, which opperates off a LPF and ranges between 50 and 250 hz.
please explain to me how bass pulls more watts?
Do you know what Clipping is? Clipping happens when you max out the power of your amp. HOw do you do this, you hit those REALLY DEEP BASS NOTES.
Get a volt meter and put it on your car. Listen to some classical music, test the current draw, now after that put in some Ludacris. Youll notice that since his music is alot more boomier, its going to pull more current.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by DIZZLE
Well Lundham,
1. Eclispes offer 16 volts balanced. 8 Volts unbalanced. If you dont know the differnce than you need to go look at you little post with all your websites.
2. Im not talking about an Xtant Class D full range (which is really a class t IMO), Im talking about ROCKFORD FOSGATE, which opperates off a LPF and ranges between 50 and 250 hz.
Do you know what Clipping is? Clipping happens when you max out the power of your amp. HOw do you do this, you hit those REALLY DEEP BASS NOTES.
Get a volt meter and put it on your car. Listen to some classical music, test the current draw, now after that put in some Ludacris. Youll notice that since his music is alot more boomier, its going to pull more current.
Well Lundham,
1. Eclispes offer 16 volts balanced. 8 Volts unbalanced. If you dont know the differnce than you need to go look at you little post with all your websites.
2. Im not talking about an Xtant Class D full range (which is really a class t IMO), Im talking about ROCKFORD FOSGATE, which opperates off a LPF and ranges between 50 and 250 hz.
Do you know what Clipping is? Clipping happens when you max out the power of your amp. HOw do you do this, you hit those REALLY DEEP BASS NOTES.
Get a volt meter and put it on your car. Listen to some classical music, test the current draw, now after that put in some Ludacris. Youll notice that since his music is alot more boomier, its going to pull more current.
2 - class D is class D... its a configuration and type of transistors used in a certain way to get certain output. Class T amps use the Tripath chip, and a completely different input and output stage. If youd like to argue amplifier topology, i'm all for it.
3 - clipping, I do know what it is, but you can clip with any frequency at the identical output. a note recorded at 0db, regardless of frequency, length, anything, is going to draw teh exact same amount of current.
now, why do we use more power for bass even to get flat response, teh human ear is MUCH more sensitive to midrange than to bass.
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Rep Power: 0 ok GOD #1 I agree with totally and, because of that, that is why anybody with a stock Honda alternator I guarantee that when they have a 1500 watt amp in their car and it is on they will not have 14 volts because of voltage drop, I agree with #2 also but with an amp as sorry as the BD1500 you have to turn the gain up to get it to do what it claims, and also #4 I agree with also technically, but when you're actually trying to reproduce bass instead of higher frequencies the ohm load fluctuates more and then the amp is going to draw more current then voltage becomes a problem again, and like you said most people don't have electrical systems for amps like that so once again good luck getting the power that the amp claims, and for people with average systems I think that the BD1000 is alot better and easier for the consumer. And Dizzle I dont think I need to even reply you don't even make sense, and sound like you don't evenm know what you're talking about
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Rep Power: 299 Originally posted by big99mike
ok GOD #1 I agree with totally and, because of that, that is why anybody with a stock Honda alternator I guarantee that when they have a 1500 watt amp in their car and it is on they will not have 14 volts because of voltage drop, I agree with #2 also but with an amp as sorry as the BD1500 you have to turn the gain up to get it to do what it claims, and also #4 I agree with also technically, but when you're actually trying to reproduce bass instead of higher frequencies the ohm load fluctuates more and then the amp is going to draw more current then voltage becomes a problem again, and like you said most people don't have electrical systems for amps like that so once again good luck getting the power that the amp claims, and for people with average systems I think that the BD1000 is alot better and easier for the consumer. And Dizzle I dont think I need to even reply you don't even make sense, and sound like you don't evenm know what you're talking about
ok GOD #1 I agree with totally and, because of that, that is why anybody with a stock Honda alternator I guarantee that when they have a 1500 watt amp in their car and it is on they will not have 14 volts because of voltage drop, I agree with #2 also but with an amp as sorry as the BD1500 you have to turn the gain up to get it to do what it claims, and also #4 I agree with also technically, but when you're actually trying to reproduce bass instead of higher frequencies the ohm load fluctuates more and then the amp is going to draw more current then voltage becomes a problem again, and like you said most people don't have electrical systems for amps like that so once again good luck getting the power that the amp claims, and for people with average systems I think that the BD1000 is alot better and easier for the consumer. And Dizzle I dont think I need to even reply you don't even make sense, and sound like you don't evenm know what you're talking about
Big Mike!
1. Your saying 1500 watts is to much for the for a stock civic,and that it wont hold 14 volts? WRONG!!!!
2. You have to turn the gain up to get it to do what it claims. WRONG!!
This amp is over built and underated. Its the 1500bd, pushes 1500 watts rms, not peak
power.
3. You still have not EXPLAINED why the 1000bd is so much differnt, and better, Do some research and learn the very FEW differences of the 2 amps.
and for people with average systems I think that the BD1000 is alot better and easier for the consumer.
This amp does 1000 watts RMS,1500 watts peak, More than enough power for your average system. Not many AVERAGE subs gonna take 500 wtts RMS.
audio advice turned into tech wars!!! i'm lovin it!!! I think both dizzle and ludlum know what they're talking about, from my experience, vented box > sealed. Alpine spends lots of $$$ R&Ding their vented boxes, and i tell ya, one type r 12 inch sub made me go deaf!! I had 2 x10" visoniks back then and they suck ***** compared to this 1 alpine! I recommend it! all you need is one, in the box that alpine has specifically made for it, retails for like $300, but well worth the price. Hook that up to a alpine m500 momo block amp, then get a alpine 4 channel amp hooked up to your normal car speakers, and you've got a badass sounding system. To make it even better, get diamond audio m3 components, with alpine 6x9's in the back, and OMFG it sounds nice! I'm not a audiophile, but i know good sounding music from a bad sounding, and i recommend this set up! just my opinion, please don't flame me ;-p
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Hey Fonto, that moreless a joke BTW. I know your running the JBL1200, Very nice install!
Hey Fonto, that moreless a joke BTW. I know your running the JBL1200, Very nice install!
Honestly, the x-overs sucks...by the new JBL amp is better IMO.
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audio advice turned into tech wars!!! i'm lovin it!!! I think both dizzle and ludlum know what they're talking about, from my experience, vented box > sealed. Alpine spends lots of $$$ R&Ding their vented boxes, and i tell ya, one type r 12 inch sub made me go deaf!! I had 2 x10" visoniks back then and they suck ***** compared to this 1 alpine! I recommend it! all you need is one, in the box that alpine has specifically made for it, retails for like $300, but well worth the price. Hook that up to a alpine m500 momo block amp, then get a alpine 4 channel amp hooked up to your normal car speakers, and you've got a badass sounding system. To make it even better, get diamond audio m3 components, with alpine 6x9's in the back, and OMFG it sounds nice! I'm not a audiophile, but i know good sounding music from a bad sounding, and i recommend this set up! just my opinion, please don't flame me ;-p
audio advice turned into tech wars!!! i'm lovin it!!! I think both dizzle and ludlum know what they're talking about, from my experience, vented box > sealed. Alpine spends lots of $$$ R&Ding their vented boxes, and i tell ya, one type r 12 inch sub made me go deaf!! I had 2 x10" visoniks back then and they suck ***** compared to this 1 alpine! I recommend it! all you need is one, in the box that alpine has specifically made for it, retails for like $300, but well worth the price. Hook that up to a alpine m500 momo block amp, then get a alpine 4 channel amp hooked up to your normal car speakers, and you've got a badass sounding system. To make it even better, get diamond audio m3 components, with alpine 6x9's in the back, and OMFG it sounds nice! I'm not a audiophile, but i know good sounding music from a bad sounding, and i recommend this set up! just my opinion, please don't flame me ;-p
No do have web site with these Alpine sub enclosures, i personnly only like to use Vented Boxs? Are they better than the JL boxes?
But i totallly agree, Alpine also like Fosgate are very underated in power. Great amps!
I would take a alpine 500m over the fosgate 1000bd anyday.
Dizzle: if i can show you how my 12" alpine sound like, i would! If you ever get the chance, go to some audio store and have em demo it... my freakin god, my head was about to explode. I've heard my friend who has 3 JL's in his trunk (boxes, but not vented), and his rocked my *** too, but in my opinion, 1x12" vs 3x10"s ... i'd take the 12" ^_^
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Rep Power: 299 Originally posted by nickq
I would rather have the memphis 1000d over the bd1000 the bd1000 is just so expensive. The 1000d is much smaller and handles 1ohm mono really well
I would rather have the memphis 1000d over the bd1000 the bd1000 is just so expensive. The 1000d is much smaller and handles 1ohm mono really well
Yup thats what im running right now...Memphis Studio Series 1000d, however i am running mine at 2 ohms not 1.
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Rep Power: 299 Im running 2 12" Fosgate HX2's...In a VENTED box, only kind of box ill use.
da amps.
i dont know why its cut in half
da amps.
i dont know why its cut in half
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