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Old Jul 11, 2003
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Question Urgent... Need to know if i need a capacitor

ok, Before i spend 80$ on a rockford capacitor... Do i really need one?

This is what i have
2 12" Alpine Type R SWR-1241D Subwoofers
Power Handling Capacity (Peak) : 1000W
Power Handling Capacity (RMS) : 300W

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Hifonics ZX 6000 Amp
2 x 150 Watts RMS @ 4 Ohms
2 x 300 Watts RMS @ 2 Ohms
1 x 600 Watts RMS @ 4 Ohms < Im going to bridge it So, 600RMS

Do i need a cap?
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You may not...It all depnds on if your lights flicker.....I had 2 HE2 12 in rfs and a 700s amp and I didnt need a cap....My lights didnt flicker at all. Make sure you use really good cables and wires.....when you install the system
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i'm running 2 JL w3's at 600 watts (RMS), wired down to 1ohm, and do not need a cap. set up your system, and put you system to the limit while you watch your headlights. you can always add one later.
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set up your system, and put you system to the limit while you watch your headlights. you can always add one later.
very true

Now im savin over100$

THNx GuyZ!
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I'm running my subs on a 1400 watt amp and my lights dont blink. the amp is capable of 370watts x 2 @ 2 ohms (RMS). Buying a cap is a future project. For now i don't cranck the radio high enough to require a cap.
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If you don't have the 80 bucks I am sure you can live without one.
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you will never NEED a cap. i ran 1900 RMS for a month with no cap, and 1500 rms for a few months.
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Lud's right, caps are never necessary. If your lights dim and you don't want them to then a cap may help you out a little bit.

I'm running around 1000 RMS with my two amps right now, the lights dim slightly when the bass hits, at night when the interior light is on and the bass hits the interior light dims quite a bit but it's nothing that bother me too much. I don't even really notice it anymore, i just don't pay attention. Other people say "hey did you know your lights dim" and i say "yup".
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that has nothing to do with it... caps provide deeper harder bass.
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theres actualy no audible difference with a capacitor, and anyone who believes there is, seek out a guy on the east coast, his name is Richard Clark.

if you prove to him in person that a cap makes an audible difference through a blind test, He will giv eyou a check for $5000 right on the spot.

as to what a cap is good for, you guys are my heros, said it better than i could have
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Originally posted by LudlamTheory
you will never NEED a cap. i ran 1900 RMS for a month with no cap, and 1500 rms for a few months.

There is NO WAY a STOCK electrical system (on a civic) can provide 1900 watts RMS(were talking 4000 watts peak here), You would need an extra an extra battery or ATLEAST a 140 amp Alternator. You must have had DISTORTION FROM HELL!

IM ASSUMING this is on your 2001-02-03 stock civic, you didnt mention any 12V upgrades.
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Originally posted by Tom1178
Lud's right, caps are never necessary. If your lights dim and you don't want them to then a cap may help you out a little bit.

I'm running around 1000 RMS with my two amps right now, the lights dim slightly when the bass hits, at night when the interior light is on and the bass hits the interior light dims quite a bit but it's nothing that bother me too much. I don't even really notice it anymore, i just don't pay attention. Other people say "hey did you know your lights dim" and i say "yup".

TOM you also wouldnt notice that the SPARK INSIDE YOUR ENGINE (SPARKS PLUGS) IS SUFFERING TO.

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Originally posted by DIZZLE
There is NO WAY a STOCK electrical system (on a civic) can provide 1900 watts RMS(were talking 4000 watts peak here), You would need an extra an extra battery or ATLEAST a 140 amp Alternator. You must have had DISTORTION FROM HELL!

IM ASSUMING this is on your 2001-02-03 stock civic, you didnt mention any 12V upgrades.
ok ur f u c k ing nuts cause i have over 2000watts rms running in my car and theres no distortion ... the stock alternator handles it fine. ur crazy u obviously know nothing cause ive had it this way for years in my civic...
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Originally posted by WhiteRabbit
theres actualy no audible difference with a capacitor, and anyone who believes there is, seek out a guy on the east coast, his name is Richard Clark.

if you prove to him in person that a cap makes an audible difference through a blind test, He will giv eyou a check for $5000 right on the spot.

as to what a cap is good for, you guys are my heros, said it better than i could have
if thats the case then i wanna know where he is.
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he posts on elitecaraudio. if you can also tell the difference between amplifiers keeping all other factors identical, thats another 10 grand in your pocket.

i dont believe he is too far from you, he is in one of those east coast states. even if you decide to fly out there, 15 grand is more than compensation, right?

seriosuly, check out www.elitecaraudio.com, ask abotu his test. you can also find the hundreds of people on that forum who have flocked to his test and went home emty handed. you cant deny the laws of science

and dizzle, i agree with you completely, theres no way a stock alternator alone can handle 1900 rms or power, even far less. even a 500 watt amplifier we both know can impact load the electrical system more than 70 amps!

however, we also both know the extra draw gets eaten up by the batery. so no worries! the car can easy handle very high powerloads, for a time.
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link doesnt work... and over two years is a long time ... and my STOCK battery is still fine.
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ok ur f u c k ing nuts
thats what i said when you posted this.


that has nothing to do with it... caps provide deeper harder bass.
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Chenz what kind of amps are you running?
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Hifonics.
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sweet chenz, ive got hifonics as well, the XI series myself. which series did you jump on?
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the XI too!!! I have a Boltar and an Olympus.
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with the balanced line driver!!!!
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nice, i really like those balenced line drivers, ive got the zeus and olympus, three line drivers total =D only using 2 tho. they are freaking sweet, i must admit
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Originally posted by DIZZLE
There is NO WAY a STOCK electrical system (on a civic) can provide 1900 watts RMS(were talking 4000 watts peak here), You would need an extra an extra battery or ATLEAST a 140 amp Alternator. You must have had DISTORTION FROM HELL!

IM ASSUMING this is on your 2001-02-03 stock civic, you didnt mention any 12V upgrades.
i'll put money on teh fact that the sq in my car will beat out almost anyone here.
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with yoru kickpanels still in the mail? ill take that bet! ;D
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who said my kicks were in the mail?
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