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I'm looking for 1 or 2 good sounding subwoofers. (10 or 12 inch)
Anything NEW with LOUD / TIGHT bass; preferably subs that also require a small sealed enclosure.

The last subs I purchased, which I still own, were 3 Rockford Fosgate DVC 12's.... They're still in excellent shape because I haven't used 'em since 1999, but I want all new equipment.

Has anyone heard the JLAudio 12w7's or the 10w7's? Are they worth the $$ ?

Any info would be great!

- Jay

 
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depends on how much you wanna spend JL W7's are best in a ported box that is huge (takes over your trunk)

 
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yes, the w7 is most definitely worth the money.

 
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How do they sound in a sealed box?
Are there any other subs out there that are comparable?

 
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i heard adire(sp?) is a good sub. w7's are great, but over priced IMO. you're better off getting 2 w6v2's

 
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I highly recommend a pair of Image Dynamics ID12v.3 subs. Great SQ, tight & clean bass, strong output, designed for a small enclosure, you don't need a ton of p[ower to make them sound good, and the price is right.

I like them so much I have four.

 
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Thanks for the info... I'll start looking around for a reputable dealer now!!

Any more suggestions are welcome too!

Thanks again,
Jay

 
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You can purchase Image Dynamics off SoundDomain and keep the factory warranty. They can usually match any other price you may find also if you can point them to the site.

 
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if yer gonna get image dynamics, get nohting but the IDMAX, if yer gonna get adire, its all the brahma, JL, the w7. of all 3, youll spend most money on the JL in both sub and amps due to its retaded ohm load.

 
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IDMAX is NOT the only worthwhile choice from Image Dynamics. Of course it is a great sub but you don't always have to go with the biggest, heaviest, most expensive, most power hungry sub in a company's line to get great bass. If you want to spend the extra money then knock yourself out, you will definitely be extremely happy with the MAX. Image Dynamic's new demo car is using the ID12v.3 subs that I mentioned. It just depends on which direction you are taking with your install. Same goes with JL, the W7's are incredible but in some installs depending on your equipment the new W6's and even the new W3's might work just as well depending on the situation. Hit the car audio forums and read, tons of great info there from guys who really know this stuff including reps from ID, JL, and others.

 
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A JL W7 lacks quality since the surround is so big hence why they made the w7 8inchers. I am building my SQ vehicle now I have already built the World Champ 2 year running Kicker (Sponsored) Integra my friend Mike Richards shows it. I am using three 10 inch W6v2 subs

 
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oh my goodness a w7 does not lack quality sound! how can you say the quality of a subwoofer is based on surround size alone? a large surround is used by cheap subwoofer manufatureres as a gimick to sell their woofers, and used by quality manufactureres out of sheer necessity for excursion!

technology is only being invented and innovated NOW to reduce the size of the surround while maintaining high excursion!

the fact remains that the w7 holds the title of the king of subwoofers, SQ or SPL, you cannot deny the laws of physics nor the real world performance!

the SQ of the w7 is paramount in a sealed box, and will be the favorite of audiophiles all round for years to come.

the w6v2 i am told has all teh SQ of the w7 minus the incredible SPL capabilities. how can you say one sounds good and the other doesnt?

SQcivic, i must say im a bit surprised at yoru choice of woofer! may I ask why you chose the ID, and not the IDQ? the q can be had for a bargain, takes a small box, sounds absolutely incredible, can handle a fair amount of power, definitely a respectable woofer!

yet you chose the ID..... wheres the advantage?

 
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anyways, rereading the original question, teh IDMAX would indeed be a fantastic subwoofer choice. the reason id go with the max over the Q or the ID is due to its greater SPL potential. you want LOUD and clean? the max can do it!

and for a couple hundred less than the w7, and a smaller box volume.

 
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please no more talk of the IDMAX... i have 6 more days of breaking it in and the wait is soooo tough lol. it does have a nice tight sound at low volumes, i have it sealed in a 1.25cu box and i have lost no significant low end.

 
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HRM, for one I am sponsored by JL Audio.... I originaly wanted to use the W7 the reason I didn't use that was because the larger surrounds makes the sub not respond as fast. Figure this if you are listening to something around 160+bpm a larger sub with a larger surround will hit but in the time it takes the sub to react the next basenote will be already coming. When you first use the sub it is nice and tight, over usage when it breaks in you will get a lot more base but start loosing quality.

 
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how does the size of the surround affect this, obtix? it makes no sense!

the surround was simply neccesary due to the large amounts of excursion the woofer is capable of moving! the size of the surround wont affect a fast response.

a lsow response could however, be caused by an improper install....which is what i suspect of anyone who was not impressed by the performance of the w7.... or were scared away by the cost....

make no mistake about it, the w7 reigns supreeme in the theater of SQ.

.....and if you talk to any JL rep, they will say that the 8w7 is a joke. that it does not compare in teh slightest to the other woofers in the w7 lineup. ive never heard it personally, but whats the point of the 8w7? the massive mounting depth makes impractical for any install where 8's are normally used, like trucks.

But I'm really curious as to what exactly causes a large surround woofer to respond poorly? its not enough to say that it does, but WHY?

 
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So in other words your telling me that the amount of rubber moving up and down does not affect the subs reaction. That more surround does not mean that the sub has to move further? Lord, I think this is the second I've argured on the ICE forum with you. I really hope I get to see you at an IASCA or USAC event. Enough of this.. HEH

 
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WhiteRabbit - I am talking about the NEW ID12v.3 subs....anyone at ID will tell you they are new & improved and greatly outperform the current model IDQ's (which will be updated to a newer model MAYBE some time this year but don't hold your breath). Like the guys at ID say "new & improved" means we have developed them to be better than the previous model. The IDQ line are designed more for SQ and require more power to shine. Like I said ID is going all out on their new demo car and are using something like 8 of the new ID12v3's with Xtant amps. The install is great, I'll try to find a link to it. Matt B. at ID will tell you all about the great SQ plus SPL capabilities of the new IDv.3 subs while not requiring a whole lot of power and a only needing a small enclosure. My point is the IDMAX & the W7 are absolutely fantastic subs but you got to have gobs of power to get the performance out of them that they were designed for. Not everyone can do that or even wants to do that. For example the 130 db SPL cap in SQ competition is EXACTLY the same whether you hit it with 3500 watts and two W7's or three IDMAX's or with 500 watts going to two efficient and excellent sounding subs like the ID12v3's or maybe acouple of W6's or W3's. Like I said, it all depends on what direction you want to go with your install and how much "bucks" you are willing to lay out for it. You do NOT have to spend $300-$400-$500+ for a single sub to have unbelievable bass, that is just not true. Sure it's impressive and it's a lot of fun and it looks great and I would love to do it myself! but it is not necessary at all. You guys just need to check out some of the better SQ competitors cars and give them a listen. They will absolutely blow you away and I promise you will be surprised at what a lot of them are using. The W7 is not "the best" sub nor is the IDMAX or any of the others out there. The best sub is what works "best" for your install. I don't believe there is a best of any speaker. You have to Listen...Listen...Listen! Stay with brands that have proven themselves for reliability and have a reputation for producing quality products, plan out what direction you are going with your install particularly as far as power is concerned, budget, etc. and go from there. I am more interested in SQ so my thoughts apply to that arena. The SPL guys are an entirely different animal!

 
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obtix, all i want to know is how you justify your claim, cause real world performance and the laws of phisics kinda deny your claim about the response of subwoofer and any lik to the surrounds, thats all. if you really wanna put me in my place, if you could just tell me how they arelinked, like whatphysically happens, and I'll shut up.

cause the w7's over here are real quick on the beats, so im curious why you say they are sloppy. thats all. its not an argument, i just want you to justify your claim!

right on, sqcivic, i didnt know they made improvements to the ID lineup! other than teh V3 max, of course, put on in a wrx last month, i was EXTREEMLY impressed! got louder than we could have possibly wanted with 1000 rms, all with crystal and perfect clarity and transparrency! if it only didnt overpower the stage, it would have been a job well done at that! ill kep in mind the new ID's, i always like to hear that a company is updating its technology.

and obtix, tho my crossover broke, if i can get tuned out in time, ill be competing at an iasca event in late july, however, since we live on opposite sides of the coast, i dont think we will see each other ever, much less at a competition. heh?

 
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HEH, honestly WhiteRabbit I really think you have no clue what your talking about.. and at the risk of myself trying to help a poor kid out from dumb ***'s like yourself I have my .02's which happen to be correct. I first explained myself in well "kiddie" terms and then a little bit better. I dont need to use big words I've already explained myself twice. I am not argueing with you that the W7 is not a awsome sub. I have used them, I have installed them. JL sponsers me and I do believe the W7 is the best sub they have ever produced. But if you are competeing for pure out sound quality not which one hits harder a W6 is one of the better choices.

And which show is it? Where? As long as its an IASCA event i will make the trip. We have two cars as of now the Kicker Integra (iasca world champ 2 years now) and the MB Quart Eclipse... I haven't takin my civic to a show yet but maybe I'll throw it on the trailer... My system:
Eclipse AV8132
MB Quart QSD's for highs (which a Q Series center channel)
3 JL W6v2 10's
300/2 (2)
1000/1 (1)
Audio Control EQs and crossovers
Stinger Power, dynamat, etc... all the fun stuff cant give to much out

 
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actually, sir, you have not explained yoruself at all. all you have said, and you did say it twice, is that "subwoofers with fat surrounds cannot play fast beats". you have not explained why. Except the w7's around here HAVE played fast beats, and do it well. I dont have to know what im talking about, the subwoofer speaks for itself.

and because you cannot explain why, you have chosen to attack me personally. Welcome to the ranks of Faint Reality and Dizzle.

the show is in sonoma on july 26th or 27th, iasca SPL and SQ, im kinda bummed out that USAC left california, or so i have been told.

but please refrain from insulting me personally, when yoru arguments should talk for you. If you want to put me in my place, and you truly believe i know nothing about audio, lets debate audio. It shouldnt be too diffcult to prove I am a fool if your knowledge of audio is sound, and mine isnt.

 
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W7 is a SPL sub. White rabbit im starting to wonder if you really know what SQ is. SQ subs ARE NOT made for excursion.

 
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I recommend Boston Acoustics subs, very affordable, VERY tight bass. Perfect for small sealed applications. Web site link

Also alumaPro is a AWESOME SQ brand, check out these subs. alumapro sub

 
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WR, im not like you i, dont spend 14 ours a day on this web site, contradicting everything EVERYONE except Lunham Thorry (sp?)and Mysik says.

I spend 50 hours a week selling, testing, installing car audio. I didnt learn all of my **** on the Internet you.

Why dont you show me a pic of your system. Maybe some installs you have done. What install school did you go to? Do you have any trophys ( best SQ, Highest SPL, Install, Best of Show)?

 
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Quote from Adire Website on Brahma: Quote from Sounddomain about the IDMAX, which they are an authorized dealer: Quote from JL website on W7:
It seems like all of these companies are trying to acheive SPL & SQ with high excursion subwoofers, but not everyone can accomplish this...prolly only the best. So I don't think your blanket statement applies to all subs.

 
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ED E10/12A... very small enclosures...
E10A 0.5cf sealed / 1.0 @ 28Hz vented
E12A 1.0cf sealed / 1.5 @ 25Hz vented

 
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check out the 15Q dizzle. should blow away anything on the market in terms of competition SPL
1 mm x-max.

youll be interested in the betteraudio SPL subwoofer linup, too, dizzle. they are still hammering out a design, but one idea they are toying around with is 0 mm x-max.

how about those digital designs 9515's, dizzle? you know, the one that hit something like 174 with just a SINGLE woofer? it looses 70% its BL at 18 mm of excursion. cant compare to the brahma (which is an sq woofer) with what, 27 mm xmax?

the fact is, that a ported box at resonance (tones youll be hitting for competiton) excursion is greatly reduced. that is why woofers in ported boxes for spl competition can take so much power, even by standards of burps!

nearly zero excursion precisely at resonance. Elemental designs capitalized this concept by centering its entire Bl at one point, which is why you cna get away with so little excursion.

I expect big things form anyone who fronts the cash for one of those massive beasts.

and by the way, the w7 is an SQ subwoofer.

i let the knowledge speak for itself. if you really had the knowledge and experience and the education and the certification to back up what you are saying, then youd let the knowledge speak for itself, rather than backing up yoru statements in terms of yoru education and experience. because you work at a shop I am supposed to believe everything you say as if handed down from god? I dont owe you a picture of my system, they are floating all over this site. I dont owe you pictures of the works ive built, they dont demonstrate knowledge. I dont need to show off SQ trophies, SPL trophies, best of show trophies, what do they mean? that i beat everyone else there? woo hoo! educated by a school? those people that apply at my shop claiming to be schooled arent put over people who arent. why? they are arrogant, they think they know everything, they think that their certification makes them better than the rest of the installers.

I dont show off my car because it is a true installers car. never done, always something new, always working on something. I dont claim my education in audio because its irrelevant. I dont harp on my experience working in a shop because its irrelevant. I dont post my victories and wins and losses at compettion becasue its irellevant.

I prefer to let the knowledge speak for itself, rather than justifying my claims by putting others down and harping up my own achievements.

 
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if the next post isnt COMPLETELY relevant to audio, I'm locking this. I love a good argument, and right now I can take both sides of this and argue with the both of you, but this forum is here to educate, inform, and all that fun stuff, not for people to argue about crap who is better, who knows more, and what is better. I want this to be a good clean fight, using only factual or semi-factual arguments about audio.

Also, If i see any more low blows, I lock it too. This goes to ALL of you.

 
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W7's kick assssssssss but they way outta my $$$$$$ range but if you got the money i would go with W7's!!!!

 
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JL Audio's W7 line can produce some serious db's, but it was designed for SQ.