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Ok...I have a 99 GST and my friend has a 2k1 lx auto sedan. Well...I'm upgrading to a big 16g turbo and figured that if it is possible we could put my turbo on his car. All I think we would need is a different manifold, boost controller, bov, and eventually i'd let him use my intercooler as soon as I upgrade to a FMIC. how hard would it be to get a manifold made and the downpipe re-flanged plus to run some oil/and coolant lines to it. and make the extra piping to the throtle body. I know to achive full performance we would also have to change you 1" exhaust piping to at least something near 2.5"

Just wanting your opinions on wether or not we should bother trying to do this

Prices
Turbo = free
IC = free
bov = 40-200
MBC = 50
boost gauge = 50
manifold = 200
full exhaust done by muffler shop = 300 (he already has a different muffler just reuse it)
other extra piping = 200

I'm guessing it could be around 1k to finish it completly hopefully by getting cheap parts it can be done cheap. and since it isn't a big turbo and only flows around 360-380cfm at 15psi that it might be safe to run 10-12

what kind of injectors do you guys have...and is the bolt spacing a stuff at all close to that of a 4g63...or could we port and modify your stock manifold?

 
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due to the returnless feul system, he'd only be able to run 4 PSI MAX without any fuel mods. 4 PSI wont even get him above that 200 HP mark...but if wants a turbo and more HP, 190 something WHP is better than the 100 WHP
as for the manifold...


EDIT: so its 4 PSI or 8 PSI MAX without fuel mods....

 
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Yeah you will have to up grade the fuel system to push big boost. I think you can push 8 psi on the stock fuel system.

 
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turbo
BOV
return fuel system
O2 Housing
turbo Oil and Water Lines
Misc Flanges and Gaskets
GReddy e-Manage Fuel + Ignition Controller
SFP D17a2 Exhaust Manifold (+ support mount)
Down Pipe
Ceramic Coating (Manifold, Turbine, O2 Housing)
18" x 6" x 2.75" Griffen Top-to-Bottom IC
Clamps and Couplings
Spark Plugs
Hi-flow Cat
add a Fuel Injector
Fuel Pump
Flex Pipe
SPA Techniques Boost + EGT Dual-Digital Gauge
GReddy Profec B Electronic Boost Controller
Homemade "Missing Link" MAP Sensor Bypass Valve
K&N Cone Filter
Heat shields
Oil, Antifreeze, Water Wetter

this is a rough list of some things you need

 
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Ohh yeh I forgot about the MAP/MAS/MAF whatever sensor
but he wouldn't need the Profec B, or a FMIC. Your list does say all the things it would be nice to have though. Especially that water wetter...in the rain that adds ten hp...you can just see because the rain just flows off so easy.

Also I didn't know you had a returnless fuel system...thats a pain the in A$$ just wondering what size injectors you run now? If not above 450 can I let him use my (either 440's or 450's) stock injectors can they fit in you car...I know of DSM owners using supra 550 injectors so? IDK thats why I'm asking you guys...but thanks for the help so far. My biggest concerns were the manifold, and downpipe (how to mount the O2 housing) Now its the fuel...even with bigger injectors and fuel pump wouldn't 8psi be about the max since it is returnless or could it be bumped up to around 15psi?

 
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no way to 15 PSI, stock internals just won't handle it.

 
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[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] Damn dude, that's funny. Water wetter is an additive to coolant. It makes the water in the coolant "wetter". I.E. It let's the water soak up more heat. You might be thinking of Rain-X. Then again, I don't see how having Rain-X on your windshield will add horsepower. I hope you're joking 'cause that was teh fawny. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

Anyway, you may want to check out my conceptual turbo DIY; the link is in my sig along with my other DIY's. [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG]

 
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do GS-T come with intercooler stock?

 
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yes rodawg they come stock with an intercooler, but they aren't that big.

 
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i should deffinitly do that.. go to a junkyard and get a setup... the turbo an intercooler... its a cheeper way to get a turbo!

 
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yeh...the stock intercooler is pretty small. but it does a good job for the small turbo. It sad cause on my car you really can get above 270whp with that little turbo it just doesn't have the air flow. When I get the one I ordered I'll be in the 300whp range for sure

What is the compression ratio in your engines? 10:1? And does anybody know the injector size? My guess is 350s or so...well if he makes 50 more hp with 8psi...then I'd be happy for him. Just not if its gonna cost a lot.

My other question is you guys said 4-8psi...so would 8psi be the max with a stock fuel system or is 4-6psi max with stock fuel a 8psi after a pump/injector upgrade? Also at such a low boost level could your engine handle a nice little 50 shot on top of it?

My biggest thing is I dont know what your engine can handle...mine is practically indistructable as long as you don't over boost...but if you watch your egt gauge (not stock lol) then you can make sure your not getting to lean...and if you have a pocketlogger you can check to see how much knock you have.

Yeh I was joking about the water-wetter and I was thinking of rainex

 
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pretty shure internals handle 12-15(heard that somewhere) , not fuel sys though, probly cost about 250-400 dollars to diy that, if your a mechanic, 600 or so to have it done

 
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4psi is all the stock injectors can handle. if you ad an extra one with a haltech ecu to control i under boost, you can boost up to 8psi, and one guy did up to 10psi..just on the dyno tho, but up to 8psi for race should be ok... dunno bout everyday tho.

 
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I'm no expert on boost but I would think that getting a 1.7L engine up to more than 1 hp per liter would be pretty good for a daily driver.

 
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I think you mean 100hp per litre. LOL AKA 1.7l x 100hp = 170hp

 
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i think he meant something that sprays water on the intercooler and cools the compressed air even further so it can get denser. i think the lancer EVO has a system like that. i dont know what its called tho...

 
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Yeah, 100 hp per liter that would be.

But wouldn't that be pretty good punch for a lil ole civic daily driver?

 
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Alright, if i were to get piece by piece overtime...........Say i went to a junk yard...What should i look for at the junkyard, what kind of turbo what kind of intercooler those stuff??? GREY, get my email??

 
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Yeah, I agree. I would like that kind of power. That is, I'de be perfectly happy with it. Then again, that's just NA. With FI I want more and more and more... Boost junkie! [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

Those are really generic questions. The generic answer is that it depends. First off, tell me how much power you want to produce and how much you want to pay. Then I'll tell you what you need. [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG]

 
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my boy is about to upgrade his turbo in his GSX, maybe this is an option for me. He will prob just give me his turbo and his intercooler cause he will prob upgrade to a front mount. The only thing is i don't really want a side-mount, like the stock gsx, i would want to get a FMIC setup.....which would cost more

I'm a little lost on the returnless fuel system, I think it means we don't have two fuel lines (as in one to bring it in, and one to take it away) but how big of a deal is this when turbocharging our car. I heard this is why this companies are having a problem turbo chargeing our car. My basic question is, can we turbo the god damn car without modding the returnless fuel system!?!