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Old Jun 8, 2004
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Question What's the deal with wings?

can anyone tell me what wings actually do for our cars other than increase drag? i know that it puts downforce down but since we've got fwd cars, what's the need for putting downforce on the back wheels? plus it seems like it'd take weight off the front where it's needed by acting as a lever with the back wheels as point which the car can rotate on. anyways gimme some feedback here

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at high speeds it helps alot.........but most ppl do it for show and it is getting rediculous
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wings are for maxi pads
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Originally Posted by civic01vtec
at high speeds it helps alot.........but most ppl do it for show and it is getting rediculous

Yea for rwd cars, and at 130+ mph..

*you are clear for take off*

In our car, wings serve no purpose other than looks.. You are right though.. it is getting ridiculous..
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actually, on FWD, wings do help. They only help at really high speeds though.
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exactly.. which is why they dont belong on civics... cause it cant go fast enuff to use the wing..
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^^pretty much.
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Okay, but what if i have IHE, hi flo cat, flashed ecu, shift ****, acura tl floor mats and no headrests for weight reduction. What would my exact HP and TQ be, also what would my reaction time, 60 foot, and quarter mile times be?

Would that be enough to make the use of a spoiler?



oh... i also have blue l.e.d. valve stem lights, and a light up exhaust tip
















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hehe well shambler, lets say u started our with around 100... 101 hp... with all that stuff, you're probably pushin a whole... oh... i dunno.. 105 hp, bolt ons just dont add enough power to be worth it to me, i'm just looking for things to add to the car to increase the fuel economy, but i really think that i'm one of the few people here doin that

n e who, that's my 2 cents

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Whats funny is people will try to Justify their wing by saying it helps them when driving fast.... Thing is, if its producing any signifigent downforce (To actually be use full) then why are you attaching it to your Deck lid (trunk) wich is one of the Thinest, weakest pieces of sheet metal on the car.... Ever looked at a GT car? ever notice that the wings are attached directly to the frame/Cage, Through the deck lid? ever wonder Why???
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Yeah, a spoiler will not do enough to spoil the air until you reach speed of AT LEAST 100 mph, and are not significantly important until you're starting to push towards 150.
The thing that I think is interesting is the cars (Porsche's, the new Chrysler Crossfire) that have automatically-extending wings...... that extend at 60 mph!!! How ridiculous...
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from my understanding they create a down force at high speeds...
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Originally Posted by SpacemanBob
Yeah, a spoiler will not do enough to spoil the air until you reach speed of AT LEAST 100 mph, and are not significantly important until you're starting to push towards 150.
The thing that I think is interesting is the cars (Porsche's, the new Chrysler Crossfire) that have automatically-extending wings...... that extend at 60 mph!!! How ridiculous...
Actually, this is with reason. The Porsches that use this technology are RWD vehicles, and the form of the wing really helps the car's rear stick to the ground. They are retracted below 60mph because, frankly, under 60mph all they do is create drag. After 60mph it's a trade off between drag and necessary downforce, and as the speed goes higher the drag aspect of the wing fades away and the downforce ebcomes more and more necessary.
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Really big wings add 10-15 horse power to the car.... thats why everyone gets them for their civics...
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^YEP! haha.. i say if you're gonna have anything just have oem unless you have a "show" car, but like said in previous posts they are getting tired out.
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You mean you guys didn't get the RWD model Civic?
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btw, where do you guys come up with these "it only works at over 100mph" or "it only works at over 60mph" statements? Did you do the research yourself? Are you assuming every car has exactly the same amount of naturally occurring downforce?

What about 100mph with a 20mph tailwind? Then you're technically only going 80mph as far as drag is concerned, aren't you?

I'm just curious where you guys got these numbers. Did you read physics journals or is it something that Bob at Autozone told you?
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^ LOL for me, spoilers have no use coz I only have civic LX with 18" wheels and extra weights from my body kit and it is slow! I would get a spoiler for style though...

so the deal with wings when it comes to civic... just for show...
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a guy at my school said spoiler help for driftin and after 25 the big ones on civics help out alot lol
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N/A Civics are capible of speeds that require much downforce.
I think spoilers/wings on civs are pointless and I don't have money to spend
on something that isn't gonna help my dinky civs performance.
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Originally Posted by kojinsei
Actually, this is with reason. The Porsches that use this technology are RWD vehicles, and the form of the wing really helps the car's rear stick to the ground. They are retracted below 60mph because, frankly, under 60mph all they do is create drag. After 60mph it's a trade off between drag and necessary downforce, and as the speed goes higher the drag aspect of the wing fades away and the downforce ebcomes more and more necessary.
Um, the "Wing/spoiler" that pops up on the Boxter, is the oil cooler....
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^ it's the oil cooler? Awesome.
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Originally Posted by MTFlyBoy
hehe well shambler, lets say u started our with around 100... 101 hp... with all that stuff, you're probably pushin a whole... oh... i dunno.. 105 hp, bolt ons just dont add enough power to be worth it to me, i'm just looking for things to add to the car to increase the fuel economy, but i really think that i'm one of the few people here doin that

n e who, that's my 2 cents

thanx for the replies everyone!

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--- Yeah me too max fuel miles/hp produced.
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... Well, they're for looks. It doesn't matter if its a bad look or a good look, people will look at it...
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Originally Posted by IronFist
btw, where do you guys come up with these "it only works at over 100mph" or "it only works at over 60mph" statements? Did you do the research yourself? Are you assuming every car has exactly the same amount of naturally occurring downforce?

What about 100mph with a 20mph tailwind? Then you're technically only going 80mph as far as drag is concerned, aren't you?

I'm just curious where you guys got these numbers. Did you read physics journals or is it something that Bob at Autozone told you?

you sayin they're not all engineers? dammit I just recycled my wing.
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Seriously, I want an answer to my question.

Anyone?
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fawk wings...they are nothin but waste of money!!
stick with the spoiler that honda gives you...looks wayyy better!
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too funny
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Originally Posted by IronFist
You mean you guys didn't get the RWD model Civic?
If you have a DX/LX, then it's FWD

If you have an EX, then it's RWD

But my Civic does not belong to any of the above. Mine is SH-AWD
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