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Old Sep 21, 2003
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4-1 or 4-2-1....that is the question.

...so what the hell is the answer? All I've deduced is, in general, 4-2-1 produce slightly less horsepower than a 4-1, but the power made comes sooner (i.e. lower RPM), and a 4-1 typically makes higher hp, but at a higher RPM. So my question is: In an EX, which would be better? Does it really just boil down to preference, or does one work better for the engine than the other. Also, which manufacturer makes the best header for the 7th gen. Is it HP, DC, or someone else?
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i believe they make 4-2-1 for us.
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DC makes a 4-1 ceramic or stainless steel for ours. A local shop told me they would give me a discount of one, and they said it is probablly the best out there. But I dunno, I just want the best for my car, street legal (DC) or not. I've got an Ex also.
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the problem with all 4-2-1's is that it disrupts the exhaust pulses. With the 4-1, you get pulses of a vacuum in the exhaust tubes, which helps to pull the exhaust out of the cylinder on the next cycle...if timed correctly. I think 4-2-1's mess up this timing. And the only header AT ALL i've been able to find for the 7th gen is the DC sports 4-1.
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they only make 4-1 headers for our cars. HP and Kamakazie headers with the high flow cat is the best for our cars, but are not emission legal.
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Originally posted by Da1lyDr1ver
they only make 4-1 headers for our cars. HP and Kamakazie headers with the high flow cat is the best for our cars, but are not emission legal.
I thought that the Kamakazie headers were emission exempt?
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a random technology high-flow cat is illegal? Are you talking about the LX or the EX, because the cat's are VERY different.
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ah no one mentioned random tech.

even if its carb exempt, since its a working highflow cat... there are rules to replacing ur cat convetor... depending on ur state law.
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What online stores have the Kamikazie and HP Headers? and which one is better?
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what about the powercore header?
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one of the sponsors sells the kamikazi i think. bigjoshracing
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show us a link to the powercore header



holy crap, i found a link it costs, Your Price: $399.95
found another price for $379

and its only the upper portion...like the HP shorty (i think)

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DC header < Stock
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So what's the best header for an Ex?
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but there's no 4-2-1 header for our cars...
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Originally posted by Da1lyDr1ver
they only make 4-1 headers for our cars. HP and Kamakazie headers with the high flow cat is the best for our cars, but are not emission legal.
Your answer lies within that post.
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yea no 4-2-1 header yet
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This should make the decision for you kamakazi is on the left dc on the right
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bigger pipes but still not street legal like the dc
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bigger pipes mean more high-end power, but you lose velocity on the lower end. Bigger isnt always better.
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10 dollar ticket if you keep your stock headers.
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reguardless, getting headers won't get you that much horse power, to me it really doesn't matter if you get the 4-1, or 4-2-1. But that is just my opinion. But I like DC headers.
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Originally posted by Elite
10 dollar ticket if you keep your stock headers.
What?
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the topspeed top manifold is legal....why wouldn't just the kamikazi top manifold be legal too?
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^ ditto to that question
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I was talkin' to like some 35 year old with a 90 Si who talks to the mechanics for one of the Honda dealerships here. And I asked him about headers, and he said that the honda mechanic said DC headers ARE THE BEST FOR HONDAS. I mentioned other brands but he kept saying DC. So I guess DC's are the best, A Honda mechanic who drag races his 1977 Lotus would know best about headers than all of us.
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has he ever tried the DC?
I DOUBT it....i dont believe anything those fvckers say....grrrr i just dont like honda technicians...
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Originally posted by Tai
reguardless, getting headers won't get you that much horse power, to me it really doesn't matter if you get the 4-1, or 4-2-1. But that is just my opinion. But I like DC headers.
DC is another company the makes crap,........ like APC. Changing the header is one of the best mods, for horsepower, that you can do.

The HP and Kamikaze header are one of the best ones on the market for our cars.
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Check it out:

HP Racing header


Kamikaze and DC Sports headers


Top speed Header


Megan Racing header


Weapon R Header
Could not find a pic

I have a pic of the powercore header, ill post it in the next post

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