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I want to get a HID kit off of ebay because I dont really want to pay 600 at a store and they are like 350 on there, what is the best tempeture to get? I wanted to get a kit between 6000k and 8000k, I dont want a whitesh blue lighting, I want the rising whitish purple HID's that bmws and lexus have? Also Since the projectors have HI and the stock have h4, if I buy a H1 kit will I need to do any modification or will they just plug and play?

 
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HIDs in aftermarket projectors are not a good idea. They are at lower quality than OEM headlights. The beam pattern sucks and the HIDs might even melt the lesser quality housing.

Also FYI, every luxory car you see out on the road has 4100k HIDs because it is the brightest light you can get. When people put 4100k in their Civics and Integras they wonder "why doesn't mine show up blue/purple like BMWs and Audis?" Easy, because your headlight housing is not designed for HIDs.

Anything above 6000k sucks. You sacrifice more light for color, and more color is in bad weather conditions such as rain and fog. You might as well buy blue PIAAs.

Don't throw away so much money for brighter lights that won't serve their true purpose just for color.

 
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I just bought a 8000k kit on tuesday and They are bright as hell at night, so I dont know why you say anything over 6000k sucks. These have a nice purple color to them and they are bright.

 
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I'm not saying they're not bright as hell - compared to stock of course they will be bright as heaven. However the lower the temperature, the more effective use of the light. I never told you that they weren't bright but could they be brighter? By far, yes. If it's the color you want, I'm glad you're happy.

 
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the color changing effect from that british white ro purplish to blue and whatnot is caused by 4100k HID in a porjector lens that looks like a rainbow!, but designed perfectly for the bulb, search the forumns for HID in TYC, a couple people have done it and switched the projector lens and they get better beam patterns.

 
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I changed my 4100k to 8000k and I love it....It didn't affect the light output because I can still see perfect in at night and rainy conditions...Don't worry about not being able to see with anything higher than 4100k...If you want the best look of HID and still want awesome light output, go with 6000k and up...Don't waste your money on just a white light like I did. You'll still be able to see just fine, trust me (a person who has tried both)

 
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Oh god here we go again. Another HID post. Ok here goes. I have had 8000k HID's in my TYC projectors for about 5 months now with NO problems. TYC projectors are NOT of lower quality then the OEM's. Actually they are probably one of the highest quality aftermarket headlights that I have work with in years. They are the ONLY aftermarket projectors that are DOT approved for our cars. On to the beam pattern. You said that the beam pattern of projectors suck? You are 110% WRONG my friend. Why do you think that most, if not all, top luxury car companies are switching to projector headlights? It's because the beam pattern is much better and the light output is remarkable. When I had switched from my OEM lights to my projectors, it was like night and day. The beam pattern is more crisp and the cut off is incredibly sharp. The light output is much more then that of the OEM headlghts. Ok now on to the question that started this post. If you put the H1 HID kit into your TYC projectors, you will need to do some modifications. First, you will need some sort of saw or file to modify the bulb housing itself to fit the larger HID bulb. You will need to make the hole where the bulb goes larger so that the "rod" that's on the side of the HID can fit. All you have to do is cut of file an extra space for that "rod". The second mod that you will have to make is to the rubber cap that covers the back of the bulb. You will have to make a circular cut so that the cap the holds the HID wires can fit. It's hard to explain but you'll see what I'm talking about when you go to install them.

 
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I think OEM headlights produce more light output because I put TYC projectors on my car and it didnt produce much light as compared to the OEM headlights, maybe it looks different with HIDs in there.

 
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TYC will never compare to the quality of factory projectors like the ones used by BMW and Audi.

HID will not melt anything that a halogen wouldn't melt, as HID uses ~35W and produces less heat.

Projectors have a superior beam pattern if done right.

Putting HID in stock housing does not create that purple twinkle that you see in projectors because of light refraction properties. Has nothing to do with being designed for HIDs. The Lexus IS300, Infiniti G35 uses HID in reflector headlights (not projectors) and you won't see a purple twinkle either.

 
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i have hids in stock housing and im very satisfied with it.

if ur going to put hids in projectors i rec that you do a audi a6 retro fit.

 
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the TYC's might be the "best" for halogen DOT approved headlights, but not for HID..
and again about the beam pattern... he is refering to HALOGEN projectors, (like the TYC's)... not projectors that are MADE for HID!!

 
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If TYC's were the best, then why doesn't TYC make projectors for luxory cars stock? This is why they don't. The beam pattern sucks in those TYCs compared to stock. It's looks like someone put two flashlights under the car. The distance barely extends 1/2 of what stock puts to the ground. TYCs will never compare to stock because TYC hasn't made projects are long as car makers (such as Honda) have made headlights for their own cars. That's like saying APC/TYC makes better tailights than stock when everyone knows nearly every damn altezza is prone to leaking and having it's sealant turn different colors.

Oh, and I never said projectors suck, I said aftermarket projectors did... especially TYCs.

They suck. I hold my opinion.

 
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I agreed with everything you said except this. The headlights in BMWs for example are designed for HIDs which gives them that color changing effect. If you put the same HID kit into a Civic it will be white and it will share nearly the same brightness given it's the same temperature.

Example: HIDs out of a 7-series beamer into an EM1:

 
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And again, this is how temperature works in terms of brightness/color:

Yellow:
1500 k Candlelight
2700-2900 k Yellow painted fog halogen bulbs
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Yellowish white:
3200 k Sunrise/sunset
3200 k Premium H7 non painted halogen bulb
3400 k 1 hour from dusk/dawn
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White:
4100 k Philips/Osram OEM HID D2S
5500 k Bright sunny daylight around noon
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Blueish white
5500-5600 k Electronic photo flash
6000 k Philips Ultinon HID D2S
6500-7500 k Overcast sky
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Blue:
9000-12000 k Blue sky
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Purple:
28000 Northern sky
12000-30000 k Ultra Violet light (black light)


" MISCONCEPTIONS (taken from http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html#miscon)

There are many companies and private merchants out there that will advertise 7000K, 8000K, and even 12000K HID kits. Most of these vendors lurk around on ebay, online car forums, websites, and ricer accessory shops. 100% of the people that buy these kits do so because they are uninformed, uneducated, or misguided in the field of lighting, and will buy these junk kits thinking three things: that these bulbs are brighter, that these bulbs should cost more money, and/or that they will perform better. All three statements are completely false. Perhaps this misconception and frenzy for purple lights originates from BMW and Audi's infamous Hella projector HIDs.

So allow me to explain the real truth of the matter... Philips is the number one manufacturer of HID bulbs. The Philips OEM D2S bulb is rated at 4100K at 12.8 volts and produces 3200 lumens of light. The Philips Ultinon D2S is 5800K at 12.8 volts and produces 2400 lumens of light. As you can see, with all other factors remaining constant, the brightness of an HID bulb declines the higher up the color index you go. Vision, a Korean bulb manufacturer, makes an 8000K bulb, which they used to advertise on Acura-Forums as 2000 lumens bright. This is barely a marked improvement over halogens, and will produce more glare and eye fatigue than it is beneficial. 4100K has been proven through tireless independent research by the Germans, Japanese, and Americans to be the most functional, truest white and thus the brightest possible color temperature (ceteris paribus).

Every car manufacturer in the world (including BMW and Audi) uses none other than a standard 4100K gas-discharge bulb. No exceptions. The reason being is that 4100K is daylight white in color and produces the same color visible light as direct sunlight. This is least fatiguing functional color on the eyes and produces the most comfortable contrast on the road. "

Example:


Left: 5200k
Right: 7000k


Right: 5200k



Left: 5500k
Right: 4500k

And I'll say again, the higher the temperature, the least amount of brightness. The more color, the harder it is to see in harsh weather conditions. Anything above 6000k is RICE because it tries to look like something it's really not.

 
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http://www.hidforum.com/ayh/lumen.php

http://www.misterjung.com/ (EDIT) I understand... don't buy from here, but if you want pics go ahead and look.

 
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And last but not least

"you dont want to use an aftermarket projector kit and add hids to them unless they are meant for hids. the projectors not meant for hids are usually made low quality. the light pattern isnt concentrated as well as it should be and most of the time they have plastic ellipsoids instead of glass. there is a very good chance that either the plastic will melt, or that you light pattern will be so scattered that it will cause harm to other drivers."

Have a good day.

EDIT: FYI, how well a projector will perform hugely depends on the bulb that is used. H3 and 9004s suck.

 
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on a side note.. DO NOT EVER BUY FROM MISTER JUNG... I have heard numerous things on how bad his product is....

 
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i second that do not buy from mister jung

 
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I searched... nothing on this site - but I went to honda-tech and their people say:

(Note: This says enough about his business.)

Wow... surprising. People still call him now and get no answer.

 
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see..... trust me...

 
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man I think you need to get a 8000k kit for yourself, they are bright as hell. it was raining a few day ago and I saw perfectly fine with the HIDs, besides they dont look rice, they look pimp.

 
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Who makes 12000k and 30000k kits like you said?

 
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Sure yours are bright (i'm not arguing that).... just not as bright as OEM HID.... that's what we are saying. (at least i am)

 
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hmmmm, gives another perspectiv about getting HID!

 
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I have TYC projectors and though I have no plans to put an HID system in them I can tell you that I absolutely love them...

 
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Trust me... I've tried.

 
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Before I start, I have to ask. What did you have before you had HIDs?

How many lumens is your HIDs producing?

On a side note you can always take pictures.

Alright. I have a friend with an Integra with an 8500k kit in his Integra. I'll evaluate them for you.

The distance of them has increased significantly over OEM. (As it should.)
They are bright as hell over OEM. (As it should.)
They are also blue as hell at night.

Is color good?

Opinin/Fact: Color looks good (Opinion), but no matter what you say, it's not functional. (Fact) It's a huge compromise between how well you can see at night and how good you think it should look. As you know, lumens don't lie. They determine brightness.

I'm not going to argue with you that you say you can see in the rain/fog with colored lights. (Personally I'd rather have a second opinion.) I just don't see how it makes any sense when I had Sylvannia Cool Blues with far less color than your HIDs are producing and I couldn't see **** when it rains. You need more white light to successfully see wet pavement. Heavy fog also gets blown in my face. Like I stated before, the true test of your HID kit is when you're in those conditions, and if you say it suits you fine then it suits you fine.

But keep in mind, it's kits like yours and my friends are why HIDs sales have become banned. There's a good chance they work better for you at night than they do for the cars around you. My friend was already pulled over because a cop complained his lights were too bright (my friend was behind the cop). There's a good chance that his HIDs fatigued his eyes which is hazzardous - all because you guys want the deepest color.

I rest my case.

 
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Before I had my HID's, I had some bulbs from autozone that were like $20 a bulb, not hyper whites, another kind that produced a white light. They looked like stock though. I dont know how much lumens they are producing, but I am going to buy a digital camera and take a picture for everyone, I am really wanting one. Sorry it is taking forever, I want a good digital camera.

 
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Off Topic but... this is what this site should be more like... we are sharing info (friendly arguement).. and it's not turning into a flame war.... you guys rock!!

 
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why thankyou