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Old Jun 5, 2003
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yeah i've seen NA D series motors make that much too...but seeing a d17 do it would be interesting...but something to look forward too
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gude sux ***... a member had the gude head package and from what i remember.. it totally f**ked up his car... kms is the way to go if you wanna go all motor.. they have the individual throttle body system with direct port nitrous putting down 250 whp... i dunno if that daily driver but that's pretty damn respectable for an all motor civic with nitrous... actually.. i'm not sure if he ran the nitrous with that setup.... oh well.. correct me if i'm wrong people
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i calculated the compression ratio of the s2000 which has 11.7:1 if the civic had 11.7:1 with arias high compression pistons, wouldnt it make like 150ish hp on premium gas like the s2000? do the math:

9.9 / 127 = 11.7 / x

where x = about 150 - 5 hp because of SOHC
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Originally posted by Chrissy
i calculated the compression ratio of the s2000 which has 11.7:1 if the civic had 11.7:1 with arias high compression pistons, wouldnt it make like 150ish hp on premium gas like the s2000? do the math:

9.9 / 127 = 11.7 / x

where x = about 150 - 5 hp because of SOHC
no, because there a bigger impact of having a sohc than 5 hp, you are talking about not able to tune the intake lift anf the exhaust lift with the sohc. a dohc engine can tune bother, more prescision. also, the f20 is designed different that our cars. the motor on the s2000 is also bigger. and i definitly don't think power increases in a linear way.


on the otherhand, why is everyone only thinking jet ecu and such? why not get a completely new standalone? haltec of motech ems? plus, they cna be wired to a pc, a lot easier to do tuning than the jet one, where you'll have to send it back to get it tuned again. and the haltec e6k have standalone direct ignition control to tune the sparks even more. once you get up to that high compression, it won't just be the motor anymore, but also the timing
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I would start by putting on a vtec head. This will help off the top. Like Voiceofid said sohc lacks tune ability of a dohc.
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Originally posted by OMega
I would start by putting on a vtec head. This will help off the top. Like Voiceofid said sohc lacks tune ability of a dohc.

That would be more trouble than it's worth.
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Originally posted by OMega
I would start by putting on a vtec head. This will help off the top. Like Voiceofid said sohc lacks tune ability of a dohc.


this does absolutely nothing.. wow vtec...

another thing... do you really think by sticking on a d17 vtec head, you'll go from sohc to dohc and gain considerable amounts of power??
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Hey whats KMS website?
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P&P website? SAFC website?
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I think KMS' website is Honda-performance.com
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Originally posted by iamboo


this does absolutely nothing.. wow vtec...

another thing... do you really think by sticking on a d17 vtec head, you'll go from sohc to dohc and gain considerable amounts of power??
Come on now, I know adding a simple vtec head isn't going add a lot of power. The head is the bottle neck, we all know this by now. A vtec head is just another way to get more hp. If your going to go throught process of redoing engine/ecu then I a think vtec head might be worth the effort. Varible valve timing is used by other companies to gain hp and shouldn't be ruled out as a means to gain more hp.

I've learned in the fight for hp every little bit helps.
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Originally posted by hothondacivic02
well maybe if you started with a ex thats 113 stock to the wheels
so a 15 horspower increas isnt all that much with all that stuff but
to the wheels is a diff story
Hahahaha...You wish the EX has 113 to the wheels. Import Tuner dynoed it at 107 stock..maybe with an exhaust, header, and intake you could get 113.
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Originally posted by iamboo


this does absolutely nothing.. wow vtec...

another thing... do you really think by sticking on a d17 vtec head, you'll go from sohc to dohc and gain considerable amounts of power??
i don't think omega meant adding vtec, a sohc will become a dohc

i don't know, but i think the variable valve timing will definitly help a little, but then you have them hight compression stuff you gotta worry about. all this brain work, might as well get a turbo, or get a new car (locally, a rx-7 tt cost about 12k. could've traded your civic in for a tt rx7, instead of the 100,000 miles manual civic)
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I went to the Magnaflow factory since i live right by it and asked to see dyno results for our cars . They were cool about it and showed me there reports . The EX had 112 stock and 115 with a magnaflow exaust . So maybe the dyno results vary depending on condition but that what magnaflow showed me so .
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Originally posted by hothondacivic02
I went to the Magnaflow factory since i live right by it and asked to see dyno results for our cars . They were cool about it and showed me there reports . The EX had 112 stock and 115 with a magnaflow exaust . So maybe the dyno results vary depending on condition but that what magnaflow showed me so .
your sig.. i don't think it would be called superior driving, more like "controlled fishtail"
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Originally posted by Voiceofid
i don't think omega meant adding vtec, a sohc will become a dohc

i don't know, but i think the variable valve timing will definitly help a little, but then you have them hight compression stuff you gotta worry about. all this brain work, might as well get a turbo, or get a new car (locally, a rx-7 tt cost about 12k. could've traded your civic in for a tt rx7, instead of the 100,000 miles manual civic)

Where's the fun in that? What a lame post.
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Originally posted by Drk01Civic
Where's the fun in that? What a lame post.
the fun of that is hitting 10 seconds without having to sell your wife and your house
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is it possible to make an sohc engine into an dohc?
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no its called drifiting its just how you enter the drift you can either
pull the ebrake and then put it down and continue to drift or if yer rear wheel drive you can use raw horespower but its still called drifting in japan as long as its controlled
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don't think so...you'd have to rebuild the engine itself. I think sohc has the pistons lined up in a row, while the dohc has the pistons in groups of 2 with 2 in each. I'm not sure, so correct me if i'm wrong.
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Originally posted by chocobo15_2000
don't think so...you'd have to rebuild the engine itself. I think sohc has the pistons lined up in a row, while the dohc has the pistons in groups of 2 with 2 in each. I'm not sure, so correct me if i'm wrong.
Are you talking about a v4 engine? All honda car 4cly engines are in-line motors. Firing order are the same on both dohc and sohc engines from what I rember. You could have a dohc if you were have one custome built or fitted. The only problem beside the head would be the timing. Now thats a lot of work!
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Originally posted by Voiceofid
the fun of that is hitting 10 seconds without having to sell your wife and your house

You're still lame. Ha Ha
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Ok, I'm done being childish. hehe. I just sent an email to KMS asking about some sort of package for the D17. Maybe that will yield some decent information. I will keep you posted on their reply.
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mods...please do somethin about that... for crying out loud...
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Originally posted by Drk01Civic
You're still lame. Ha Ha

well... at least i don't expect my civic to be fast
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Originally posted by spatch
is it possible to make an sohc engine into an dohc?
yeah you can put a ZC DOHC head onto an old d-series. it's old school, and it's neither useful nor fast.
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so where can i get a d17 head to p/p so i dont need to wait for it to get done? i could have my other head as a spare. and where can i get a d17 thottle body to bore out 8 mm like spider883? now all i need is an unorthodox pulley kit, cam gear adv 3 deg, reground cam, 11:1 compression pistons and i could probably get 140 to the wheels if done all right.
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Originally posted by Chrissy
so where can i get a d17 head to p/p so i dont need to wait for it to get done? i could have my other head as a spare. and where can i get a d17 thottle body to bore out 8 mm like spider883? now all i need is an unorthodox pulley kit, cam gear adv 3 deg, reground cam, 11:1 compression pistons and i could probably get 140 to the wheels if done all right.
go to dave's place (he lives in daytona beach)

or look around town, ask around for a machine shop

the place you live should have 1-2 if not more machine shops



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