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okay so I had a couple threads awhile ago about my goal of a 300whp civic si(2006) im leaving for basic training and occupational training on Jan 4th, so I'll be banking around 1200 a month (with 0 living expenses), which I'm deciding to pour into this obscene goal of mine. After careful consideration I held back on my impulse to start buying components, especially a turbokit. So I have a pretty good idea about what I'd like to do and what I want this car to look like aesthetically. But before I get ahead of myself with aesthetics, I'm going to build the engine first( credit to speedfoos) my beef is between building a turbokit of my own which can be beneficial to the quality of parts, thus the long life of my engine, as well as the price(cheaper). Or buying a kit that is guaranteed to fit my car from day 1. I know what components I'll need in order to have a working boosted setup, BUT for the life of me(and PLEASE dont tell me to search) CANNOT find a grouping of parts that will function in harmony!!!, this is driving my crazy, and towards pre-mature baldness. Something is always not going to fit!

Now before you ask me, I'll tell you. I want to run this turbo around 7-9 psi, because It will be a daily driver and i DON'T want to replace it for a while. I have no objections to ANY manufacturers and or parts pertaining to the build of the turbokit. ANY suggestions for a complete turbokit (while wasting YOUR time will save MINE, and my hairline) would be GREATLY appreciated.

I also realize that I cannot simply drop a turbokit in and be done. Having said that, I would like to essentially make the engine bulletproof, I have no intentions of taking this car to the desert and stretching this bitch out to a billion miles an hour. I want to ensure that If and when I choose to dust some punk at the lights A component does not shoot out of the side and clobber some poor lady into a coma! I have every intention of putting new internals in, BUT having read my demands if you haven't gotten bored by this phase of the post, which internals would you say I would be best off sticking too, and which should I avoid, all feedback is once again, appreciated, as long as you don't tell me to read more, I'm just asking for some opinions.

Anything else you can think of getting me toward my 300whp goal would also be great. If all goes well the build will be off the ground with about a 10k limit in April(10k to start mind you)

The build will be done at my base in Ontario, which is equipped with a full machine/auto shop!! which is great because at my swearing in ceremony(Dec.10th to any who care) I met a pvt who is attending the same training who is a licensed mechanic and has agreed to do ALL work free of charge, so long as I get him greatly hammered from time to time while we are there. He also has a RX-8 which is ****ing QUICK(insert flame here) haha. Anyhoo to those that managed to read this far congratulations, you have a long attention span!

start your suggesting.........NOW!

 
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so your basically saying your lazy and you want everyone to search for you? lol. if you searched around 8thgen/k20.org forum at all there are a bagillion threads on building motors. so start searching, lol. 300whp in a k20 is a cinch btw. just piece a turbo kit and get a kpro. you wont have to touch the internals of a k20 to get it to reach 300whp. pretty much all brands of parts are legit except for all those ebay stuff (xspower, powerxs, etc.).. local guy here is pushing 330 whp in his kswap with some ghetto fabricated turbo kit using a volvo turbo and a kpro.

 
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which brings me back to the original statement.......

what pieces WILL fit together, I've done the searching but everytime I think im getting it right, something ISNT. I Can't figure it out!

 
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buy peakboost turbo kit
buy k-pro
tune
hello 300whp

 
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As I stated, I could go in that direction, but I got alot of feedback telling me that It would be cheaper and of higher quality to build my own turbokit. Now I wont sit here and pretend to be a grease monkey that can build an engine blindfolded, which is why I decided to make this thread. I have no idea why but I cant find a complete set of parts that will fit together in unison. A point in the right direction other than k20.org/8thgencivic.com would be fantastic man.
thanks.


Also I checked the peakboost website, They don't have any 2006 civic si kits listed on the site. Just Mazda, nissan, Mitsu's, and etc.THAT seemed strange to me.

 
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i dont get what you mean by it wont fit. you can make ANYTHING fit. it sounds like you want to go custom so regardless of what you purchase, anything will fit. its not difficult. find a mani with an external wastegate flange, buy the correctly sized wastegate (normally 35mm or 37mm but they both fit the same flange). go to your local shop, ask them to make you charge piping and give them your BOV flange so they can weld it on, also give them your intercooler so they can figure out how it fits. when i wanted to get a new set of charge piping i asked my local shop to make me some and they qouted me 400 for the complete set. the more expensive piece will be a custom downpipe (take to local muffler shop). those are the only things i can think about that your saying "wont fit" in your set up. every other thing you need such as, vacuum manifold, maybe a fuel pump and other misc stuff should be all universal. building a turbo kit is as simple as legos man, you make it fit either it be with a welder or a die grinder. the hard part is building the motor. then when all that is done buy a kpro and get it tuned. and like magic i bet you will be above your 300whp mark safely. i would suggest getting a good set of gauges too. boost, oil pressure, water temp, wideband a/f. maybe add in a turbo timer so you dont fry your turbo if your lazy.

 
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FANTASTIC. THANKS!

The intercooler is giving me the heebie jeebies though. Assuming I can find one that will fit(which shouldn't really be too difficult) I would just buy a turbo manifold,wastegate, bov, flange, turbo, intercooler and an ecu, which given everyone has told me to go kpro, ill take your word for it as well. I wouldnt really want to risk buying a downpipe off the internet, becuase with my luck it wouldnt fit. This might sound dumb but the downpipe is literally just a pipe correct just vents the exhaust right? nothing truly special? I could probably just get one fab'd once I have the stuff installed. The whole process is apparently far beyond my thought process, I almost feel like I would be better off giving my car to someone and a 10k stack and say "make this go vroom"

 
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I just found a great resource page here:

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgur...3DB8x%26sa%3DG

this has brought some ease to my mind.

 
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dont just hand someone a stack of money. do it yourself and get the experience and pride of knowing you did it. if you want to save your hair and sanity, buy a premade kit for your car. i haven't done any research on whats available for your car, but i'm sure there is some turbo kit that has quality parts. it may cost a little more than piecing together, but it is well worth the headaches.

 
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but that takes the fun out of it yano. and also in the car world you get 10x more respect saying that you did it rather than "oh this shop did it for me." and then when something goes wrong (god forbid nothing will) you will be like OMGWTFBBQ! you will have no idea what to look at or what the problem could be. when if you did the thing on your own, 9 times out of 10 you will already know what is going on when something has broken/failed. if you didnt do it then you will have to give up more of your hard earned cash to fix the problem. dont buy a downpipe off the internet, have your local shop do it or if you have the resources (scrap metal tubes, a die grinder and a welder) you can make the DP yourself. and yes the downpipe is just part of the exhaust system. in a turbo set up the downpipe bolts onto the end of your turbo then connects to your existing exhaust system. when you get your dp make sure to have the shop make 3 o2 bungs for you. 2 for your stock o2 sensors and 1 for your wideband (an expensive gauge but HIGHLY recommended). you can just purchase a small intercooler and have the shop deal with it.

 
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Building would be dandy, but unfortunately a car is not a computer! I could build you a pretty sweet TF2 rig( yes i got your omgwtfbbq joke) but as far as my automotive skills go, building a turbokit would surely case a massive explosion and waste of money due to ruining of perfectly good parts. I make no claims to be able to do anything other than install gas in tank, and MAYBE install a CAI, which in my application does me no good. I'm sure it would be pretty solid to be able to say hey I built this, but I'd rather say "Yeah bobby B at abc auto build this for me" rather than " I lost my right arm building a turbokit". You can hopefully see my point of view, but when it comes down to it, I would rather pay to have it done right, than pay to learn from an expensive mistake. On the flipside, the build will be done at a shop on base, the guy doing it for me has agreed to let me oversee and or help in any way I see fit, so I will TRY and be as involved in he project as possible, but at the end of the day, he's starting the car when its done!

I would love to build the kit, and motor myself, but at this point its unrealistic to even attempt such an incredible feat with my knowledge.

 
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I was looking at a pre-made kit from GReddy, but I received alot of hatemail from the community claiming it was of inferior quality. I would feel better finding quality parts myself, so that it makes me feel better about knowing jack **** about assembling it i think haha.

 
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Looking at the list of parts and vendors is starting to become much clearer(thanks for the help) but I am actually quite stuck on the manifold, I tried looking for "2006 civic si turbo manifold) and everything in between, are they even called turbo manifolds or are they simply intake manifolds??, civicsrcool suggested I find one with an external wastegate flange, but it seems like the websites arent all that helpful in describing the uses of such parts. and is it just me or all turbo parts designed for 90's honda's only!?! finding ANYTHING for 2006's is becomes more and more like a chore!



this is the only one I have found that even suggests that it would fit,
http://www.jrponline.com/webstore/in...0&pn=RHC-20K02


am i destined to have this, or am I going to have to foot the bill for a custom manifold, in which case most of this is custom fab'd, so cheaper is NOT the case, in my case.

 
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the external wastegate flange just refers to it being setup for an external wastegate instead of an internal wastegate. have you thought about a supercharger instead of turbo? just a thought.. it might be better for your needs and still give you the performance you're looking for.

 
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yeah I thought about that, but if a supercharger gets ****ed up, then it costs alot of money to repair and or replace, compared to a component of a turbokit, which isnt cheap to fix, but less expensive.

any thoughts on where I could find 06 si turbo manifolds instead of custom fab??

 
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What exact motor is in your car?

 
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its a k20z3. stock atm

 
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http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...SX%2C+Civic+Si

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkw...romZR40QQ_mdoZ

http://www.full-race.com/catalog/ind...f66f57e0ecfd2e

Not trying to be a dick, but I simply put "k20 turbo manifold" into both Google and an Ebay search and got a bunch of results.

 
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I did that too, and found those results, but I thought I had to use specifically a k20z3 mani, which is why This became so confusing for me. I appreciate it though man, thanks a lot!


Isnt It taboo to buy parts off ebay though? I mean I bought a chip off there once and it turned out to be a picture, ****ing sheisters.

 
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and not to be stupid(I swear its unintentional) The mani's on ebay are for k20A3's ( 02-05 civic?) A few of them say they fit all k series Honda's but they also say they are ep3's only, the treadstone and full race sites also dont have 06 mani's. Now if I have overlooked something then I apologize in advance, but seems to me like I'm still sitting at square one.

 
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I'm going to go ahead and guess you already knew that, you seem at least 2x smarter than me. **dumb question possibly** will k20a manifolds fit the k20z3?

 
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MOVING RIGHT ALONG!

with the manifold issue set to ease, I have a few other questions before I get this going, the charge pipes, as this will be custom, can i buy a charge pipe kit (something nicer looking that the generic burnt steel look) and give those to the fabricator? or is he going to tell me that he wants to use his junk and just get it going that way? seems like my way would save him and me both money, and have a more polished look to it in the end. just a thought.


The FMS is giving me some grief too, I'm leaning towards a kpro, but it seems they haven't released one for 06 and up? Call me a ***** but isnt it a little late? or are they ensuring that its spot on and perfect?

 
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man ohh man you got LOTS of studying to do. kpro hands down. the kpro is made by hondata, as you can tell, hondata specializes in hondas. it will give you complete control of anything that goes in your motor. do not get anything else. if you are leading to anything else for some reason the only comparable replacement would be the AEM EMS.

to my understanding, kpro will fit all k series. all k series manifolds will fit all k series. and as for the look of the pipes, who cares, thats what paint is for! giving the fabricator your own pipes will probably just make it more difficult for him and he will possibly charge you more. when hes done with your charge pipes just bring em home and paint them with some high temp paint ( dont know if you need the high temp paint but its always good). they have that shiny chrome look paint i think you are looking for.

 
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So Hondata HAS released the kpro for the 06? far as I know they have released a revision program but no actual unit. Computers are my specialty, If I had enough time and the access to proper equipment, dyno and such, I would make my own, but like I said, hondata does NOT have a kpro for the 06.

Looking at the AEM universal engine management system, universal is something I can understand! It looks like I would have to go with this, I can do wiring and such myself, but (again with a stupid question) Say I wanted to utilize two separate settings for the turbo application. EX: two psi settings such as 7psi and a juicy 10-12 psi for greasing the ricers. Is this possible by installing an aftermarket boost controller with presets? I wont bother asking how to use them right now so dont worry. Essentially I want to be able to switch boost settings on the fly(well stopped of course) without having to adjust the spring and bov. Yes? no?

 
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no k-pro for 06 si

 
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ok.. after some quick research on 8thcivic.com... it seems some people have been able to adapt the k-pro to work. i have no idea how or what is involved but it has been done. you might look a little deeper into that. you can also get the ecu reflashed by hondata. beyond that it looks like your only other options for management are emanage ultimate and aem f/ic, or getting the aem ems universal box to work, which sounds like more trouble than its worth.

 
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At this point I think my best bet would be the AEM universal, it appears to have alot of capabilities that a guy like me can dig his programming skills into, further on down the way mind you.

I wouldn't want to buy a k-pro with the hopes of it possibly working, I'd rather get parts that will fit with only slight adjustments if any. The idea is to have this car and turbokit working like pea and carrots. I've got a decent hold on what I'm going to have to buy, and get fabricated. So far it looks like this

God speed manifold
Garrett - GT3076R 700382-12 turbo
A 38 mm WG, which I have not decided upon a brand as of yet.
Tial 50mm BOV
custom charge pipes.
AEM universal ecu

Thats what I have so far, As for the intercooler, I would like to have a front mount, and am pretty sure that ANYTHING that will fit in the space provided, or created will fit right? I mean everything attached to it, I'm adding myself correct? So long as I choose the right components size wise, it will work with the intercooler right?

forgive me for what seems like constant dooshbaggery

 
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I was just saying to dig into using k-pro a little further. I'm fairly certain its possible... it is a k-series engine, ahem.. k-pro.. but I don't know what else is involved. It may have problems driving the rest of the car's functions or something (dont you have drive by wire?). Its just something to research, it may take a lot less modification than you think. Modifying k-pro will most likely be a lot less work than figuring out how to wire, how to program, and how to beat EMS into submission. Although there may already be basemaps available.. who knows.

 
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Have you emailed or called Hondata and asked them?

 
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They have made official statements saying that the 06 is not officially supported or recommended thus far. It couldn't hurt to call though. TouchE.

Any thoughts on the intercooler issue though? or could you at least tell me I'm right or wrong given the space issues.