I agree, I think that your emanage tune would out perform the jet reflash any day.

Thanks for the info Nok I think I'll look into emanage. I would be happy with it just not cutting out on me at lights.

Also did you run different ignition maps for running n20 and all motor? If so is it easy to switch between ignition tunes with a laptop. (such as a heavier advance for all motor and more mild for n20)

Probably so, but i wonder if they could just change the rev limit and idle set point...would b worth 300 for that to mee...seeing as the $1500 EMS turned out to be crap. so $600 ish for the tune i got with those 2 parameters changed would be not a bad price IMO.

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No, Can't be done with Emanage blue. The ultimate is supposed to be able to do it but seeing as how many cars they support are having trouble running it, I just don't have the paitence to figure it out. Plus who knows...maybe it can't be done. Some one let me know once they figure it out!


Oh and Heads up I HAVE STILL NOT GOTTEN A REFUND FROM AEM. They just "refound" my unit again today...shees...be weary guys..I mean it. Not a very customer friendly company. Truth be told i will NEVER buy ANYTHING they make ever again...don't care if they are the only ones that make it, I will just not have it. They crapped in my face over and over and who needs to deal with that. Basterds...will be glad when i get my refund to be done with those as*holes forever!!!

You can switch to a different maps with a laptop with the Emanage Blue. The Ultimate has switches on it that you can preset maps so you can switch from one to the other quickly. With the blue you have to open up the support tool program and do it with your laptop. It doesnt take but a few mins, I wouldnt recommend doing it at a redlight or anything but if your at the track or know you about to do some spirited driving its not very difficult. I wonder what all the issues are about with the ultimate.

cool thats what I was thinking. a couple of minutes would be fine at the track to switch up from an all motor run to a n20 run. Thanks for the info.

Looks like i'm shopping for e manage.

I don't like it: the ECU from a civic 96-00 isn't equal to 01->06 !
On the site they are "saying" 96-06 as they would be equal. they don't have a clue or they are just silly !

The processor in 7th gen civic are no longer in production (there is a company in china that still make them supposedly). This processor has ROM in chip, that is why I can see "this things" reflashed.

SO watch what you are buying !!

Get the PnP harness from Dezod, its worth every cent and you won't have to hack up your stock harness.

the other reason i know the jet isnt going to remove the rev limiter is because it runs off of the crank sensor. if you modify the crank sensor youll never know what rpms your really turning because alot of the ecu functions rely on the crank sensors signal. your best bet is EMS if you want to change the rev limiter, but we all know the whoes nokturnal went through. i honestly think it may have worked out for you if you had a certified AEM installer do the work. others have had great sucess using EMS with a certified tuner. i mena look at andyman he is boosting 13psi with his EMS making what 247whp on a stock bottom end. good tune if you ask me. it just shows what the EMS is capable of doing with a certified tuner.....

well if the chip had new parameters specifying a 8k redline, it would not kick in till 8k. this doesnt modify any signals.

calm down guys. I will call when I get a chance. Been too biz with work to think about it. But hey all you got phones...only takes 5 min to call em and ask during business hours!!

calm down guys. I will call when I get a chance. Been too biz with work to think about it. But hey all you got phones...only takes 5 min to call em and ask during business hours!!

calm down guys. I will call when I get a chance. Been too biz with work to think about it. But hey all you got phones...only takes 5 min to call em and ask during business hours!!

lol, calm down nokturnl we read it the first time, lol

you are correct but most of jets products have a preprogrammed eprom. its not really a custom tune not like you would get with an EMS or emanage. that is why i keep referring to it as a generic tune. its just like ordering a module fRom them for my truck. they offer different stages and you can have them change things. but with their modules you cannot set your rev or speed limiters nor retard the timming at all. the way jet achieves advanced timming is they modify the IAT signal. this tells the ecu that there is colder air comming in and advances the timming. i would not trust them with a boosted application but that is me. maybe some have had better luck than I and he other hundred customers that returned them becasue they either didnt get a power gain or caused problems. do some research on jets stuff before you even think about ordering them. im sure there are plenty of people that have posted complaints on the net. i would see the whoes before you go this route and i guess talk to them to see what they have to say.

yea i wouldnt trust them either, and i knew its not adjustable, they program it and thats it. thats another reason i personally wouldnt get one.

Do you think the E-Manage and the Reflash would work?

If so it would up the rev limiter and if the reflash is generic the E-Manage could sort it out.

no its not actually a reflash. they eprom or run a piggyback module to make adjustments. from what i understand our ecus are tough to eprom. so most likely its a piggyback module, just like the other modules they have. and i honestly doubt they will raise the rev or speed govenor. the only way to do so is to get the EMS, it does not have set parameters for the rev limiter, you set them. so in order for the rev adjustment to work you would need someone to make a eprom that is fully tunable like hondata or uberdata. and we all know that they dont even bother with our SOHC ULEV.

actually one of the members on here got rid of the speed governer with the HKS SLD. he said he has gone way past the infamous 115mph a few times already.

did he post proof or did he just claim that is what he did? and i think the top speed gov i am wrong about.it should run off of the sensor on the tranny no thte crank. so i appologize. but if the signal form that sensor is turned off most likely you would loose your guage cluster as well. on my truck its called the VSS vehcile speed sensor. i am limited to 94mph on my truck and no way to ditch it with out a stand alone. although i am not as fimiliar with Honda's they should have a similar system or governing speed.

yea its still vss, what this thing he bought does, is takes the signal from the sensor and adjusts it when its going to the ecm so it never thinks its above 115. i was talking to him in PM so i dont see why he would lie but i guess you never know.

i just think its odd becasue i have never hit a limiter on my manual. so i dont see why it would be needed. or how he even tested if it is a manual. i have yet to hit a gov and i have gone 125mph on my way to vegas. i know jet makes something for trucks called the scu2000 that will work with auto's but not manuals. i think the speed gov is controlled through the ecu on a auto not a vss. the chevy guys all put in a switch on the vss to ditch the gov. but you also loose your hole cluster. no odo, tach, speedo, nothing! if they are using the same type of sensor i would think it would be impossible to alter the signal to the ecu from the vss with out effecting the cluster. but as i stated before i am not sure as to how honda made the vss and ecu function together. so i may be wrong. but it makes sense to me

my 02 lx 5spd has a 115mph limiter, ive hit it many times. it kicks in just like the rev limiter.
lets get back on topic.

honestly man this is exactly why i enjoy posting here. i can have intelligent conversation with people that for the most part understand or already know the topic. the last forum i was at got over run by noobs and i got tired of the same basic questions. then you get the noobs that think they know all. that is even more annoying. but there is a nice mix here and it seems there are quite a few people here that really do have the knowledge to carry an intelligent conversation.



+rep for you nicrom

thanks man i appreciate it, unfortunately there are some a few on here that are know it all's who know nothing but w/e this is a great forum.

nokturnl anything new with the car?

Not really. the timing belt is flapping around a bit and has since day 1 of the head swap. Just noticed that it has an automatic tensioner so I can't manually tighten it and have it stay where I put it. That means unless I can swap tensioners with a donor motor with a stronger tenson spring or make it manual somehow I will always have this flapping. I know it won't hurt anything just anoys me. Anyone know if there is a stronger timing belt out for our cars? Ihave looked in the past to no avail. The jaring from the motor from the motor mount inserts and the cam lope is y it does this. Anyone else have this problem with these cams let me know. I would be intrested to see if it is just me. I might just replace the tensioner with a new one though to see if it helps, but I don't think it will help as my car only has 38k on it and only 1k with the cam roughly. Other than that it still runs the same as I posted earlier. Still haven't called Jet....you guys are making me think what is the point.

hmmm, well i knoticed today when i put the belt on that our tensioners dont hold them that tight, it worried me also but i guess ill just hope for the best.

dyno'd the d17 today. heres the link to the thread.

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...99#post3800899

man i honestly must have been drunk or something. i swore i hit 125mph in this damn car but it must have been the rental i took to vegas that time. the reason i brought this back up is becasue i hit a top speed gov last nigh in the vic. i was going down hill and just dropped it into fourth then to fifth and when i hit 119mph i was governed. so my bad!!

lol we all F up sometimes dude.

well if you get the car running smoother or your litttle problems fixed let us know

I am very curious, because I was thinking of getting this setup and putting on a TSI extreme kit, are you saying that more than likely my car is going to F up quickly, plus I am also worried about the emissions. You guys are really confusing me now.