trying to make an AT to paddle shift
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trying to make an AT to paddle shift i was reading a lot about electronicaly controled AUTO trannys and i think i found a way to turn them in to paddle shifters... but i need some pics to work with ... i dunt want to unmount and open um my tranny to check so i though id ask here first to see if any of ya have pics or can get em.. will be made into a DIY if done.. and i will conquer all muawhahahahah (well ATs have more low end torque cuase of the torque converter... u dun belive me go check hehe) to any who help --> 
oh man i think id be willing to try this as long as someone more experienced gave some background.
im skilled at electronics and wiring but most of the mechanical stuff is new to me and im just starting to learn.
im skilled at electronics and wiring but most of the mechanical stuff is new to me and im just starting to learn.
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To put it bluntly... who cares?
Automanuals are slower than automatics, so all you'd be doing is making a slow car slower. Now instead of the computer saying shift gears, you tell the computer to shift, the computer processes that command, then shifts gears. The torque converter acts like a rubberband anyways, so its not gonna make the car any faster, you'll just be slower. Those stupid things take over a second to shift gears. Its just there to make lazy people less lazy when they want to be.
If you're thinking you can turn it into a paddle shift like Ferrari F1 or BMW SMG, you're 4 miles off base. They have hydraulic clutches that are actuated by the computer, its not a torque converter driven by fluid. Its a manual tranny with an electronic nanny making sure you don't do too many dumb things, rather than an automatic that very poorly gives the impression of a manual.
Automanuals are slower than automatics, so all you'd be doing is making a slow car slower. Now instead of the computer saying shift gears, you tell the computer to shift, the computer processes that command, then shifts gears. The torque converter acts like a rubberband anyways, so its not gonna make the car any faster, you'll just be slower. Those stupid things take over a second to shift gears. Its just there to make lazy people less lazy when they want to be.
If you're thinking you can turn it into a paddle shift like Ferrari F1 or BMW SMG, you're 4 miles off base. They have hydraulic clutches that are actuated by the computer, its not a torque converter driven by fluid. Its a manual tranny with an electronic nanny making sure you don't do too many dumb things, rather than an automatic that very poorly gives the impression of a manual.
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Originally Posted by Boilermaker1
To put it bluntly... who cares?
Automanuals are slower than automatics, so all you'd be doing is making a slow car slower. Now instead of the computer saying shift gears, you tell the computer to shift, the computer processes that command, then shifts gears. The torque converter acts like a rubberband anyways, so its not gonna make the car any faster, you'll just be slower. Those stupid things take over a second to shift gears. Its just there to make lazy people less lazy when they want to be.
If you're thinking you can turn it into a paddle shift like Ferrari F1 or BMW SMG, you're 4 miles off base. They have hydraulic clutches that are actuated by the computer, its not a torque converter driven by fluid. Its a manual tranny with an electronic nanny making sure you don't do too many dumb things, rather than an automatic that very poorly gives the impression of a manual.
Automanuals are slower than automatics, so all you'd be doing is making a slow car slower. Now instead of the computer saying shift gears, you tell the computer to shift, the computer processes that command, then shifts gears. The torque converter acts like a rubberband anyways, so its not gonna make the car any faster, you'll just be slower. Those stupid things take over a second to shift gears. Its just there to make lazy people less lazy when they want to be.
If you're thinking you can turn it into a paddle shift like Ferrari F1 or BMW SMG, you're 4 miles off base. They have hydraulic clutches that are actuated by the computer, its not a torque converter driven by fluid. Its a manual tranny with an electronic nanny making sure you don't do too many dumb things, rather than an automatic that very poorly gives the impression of a manual.
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Originally Posted by Boilermaker1
To put it bluntly... who cares?
Automanuals are slower than automatics, so all you'd be doing is making a slow car slower. Now instead of the computer saying shift gears, you tell the computer to shift, the computer processes that command, then shifts gears. The torque converter acts like a rubberband anyways, so its not gonna make the car any faster, you'll just be slower. Those stupid things take over a second to shift gears. Its just there to make lazy people less lazy when they want to be.
If you're thinking you can turn it into a paddle shift like Ferrari F1 or BMW SMG, you're 4 miles off base. They have hydraulic clutches that are actuated by the computer, its not a torque converter driven by fluid. Its a manual tranny with an electronic nanny making sure you don't do too many dumb things, rather than an automatic that very poorly gives the impression of a manual.
Automanuals are slower than automatics, so all you'd be doing is making a slow car slower. Now instead of the computer saying shift gears, you tell the computer to shift, the computer processes that command, then shifts gears. The torque converter acts like a rubberband anyways, so its not gonna make the car any faster, you'll just be slower. Those stupid things take over a second to shift gears. Its just there to make lazy people less lazy when they want to be.
If you're thinking you can turn it into a paddle shift like Ferrari F1 or BMW SMG, you're 4 miles off base. They have hydraulic clutches that are actuated by the computer, its not a torque converter driven by fluid. Its a manual tranny with an electronic nanny making sure you don't do too many dumb things, rather than an automatic that very poorly gives the impression of a manual.
and im not gonna tell te ecu to shift gear... i found a way .. in theory of course... to make the trany shift gears as u would in a stick shift.. wit out the stick hehe.. so first dont be so rude just cause u think uve got all the anwers in the world... seccond .. if ppl can make redneck dynos(other post hehe) why cant i make a redneck paddle shitfer.. maybe ull end up making one yerself.. and just so u start reading a bit... torque converters and a built tranny can beat a manual.. since torque converters double or triple (depending on brand and other things) the torque until allmost the peak hp and then keep up the torque better than a manual.. (racing or modded T.Converters keep it like that.. the rest is done by any torque converter...) the only 2 reasons ppl use manuals are cause of better control (guess why F1 stopped after they designed paddles..) and because the dun allow rpms to go down.. but this is a problem mainly of the stock torque converters... so.. plz go read up before u say anything next time...
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Originally Posted by Tinman
Yeah, it's fairly simple, actually. I could do it. But why??? In a CIVIC?
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you know at first i agreed with boiler but if you think about only the really fast cars have automatics like domestic vehicles. i believe the bullish solaras are automatic.
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muawhahahahahhaahahahaha i think i found a way... reverseengineering!!!!! if only i could get my hands on one of these!!!!!!
muawhahahahahhaahahahaha i think i found a way... reverseengineering!!!!! if only i could get my hands on one of these!!!!!!
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Rep Power: 0 It wouldn't be worth it, if you extend tour shifter all the way, your in second gear, the other way and your in park. I am not sure on other GEN vics but the 2002 goes P R N D D3 2, so your only going to be able to start off in 2 which would be a crappy launch. and what would you do with the downshift cable, you can't dissconnect it, you will fry the tranny.
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Rep Power: 0 ummm civicon18s:... jmo and level10 both make racing Tconverters..
and to irishtemper: the whole point for this kit or mod or whatever is that u will no longer have a prndl tranny (i think thats the propper term nut sure bout the spelling hehe i should though since i spent 2 nights reading a pure tech tranny engineering forum) u will be able to stay in 1st even after ur neddle hits the rev lim and it will bounce off the rev lim until u shift.. thats the beauty of it... its a complete conversion... i allready got most of the facts.. just one thing i havent figured it out.. how the hell did they make the ecu not throw Error codes... ill get to it... still waiting on the pics... btw.. nice thing i found out... did ya guys know there a way to push start autos hehehehehhehe
and to irishtemper: the whole point for this kit or mod or whatever is that u will no longer have a prndl tranny (i think thats the propper term nut sure bout the spelling hehe i should though since i spent 2 nights reading a pure tech tranny engineering forum) u will be able to stay in 1st even after ur neddle hits the rev lim and it will bounce off the rev lim until u shift.. thats the beauty of it... its a complete conversion... i allready got most of the facts.. just one thing i havent figured it out.. how the hell did they make the ecu not throw Error codes... ill get to it... still waiting on the pics... btw.. nice thing i found out... did ya guys know there a way to push start autos hehehehehhehe
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Rep Power: 0 http://www.levelten.com/converters.htm heres the link for level 10 converters..
http://www.jmousa.com/us/flash/frame/index.html heres the link for jmo...
and a honda tuning magazine article on jmo's
http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/t...1ht_converter/
also... will anyonw send me the pics of a tranny? pretty plz? i got all the tech data but with no pics i cant make it a reality... btw... anyone has the wiring diagram for the 2k1 k2 k3 k4 auto vics ECU? since i kinda need that as a seccond step to fool the ecu ... i know i should just pay the kit from level 10 but i dunt have 500 bucks.. minimun wage (im a student) here in my country is 100$ a month... so i kinda need to make it on my own.. im not afraid of donations though hehe..
http://www.jmousa.com/us/flash/frame/index.html heres the link for jmo...
and a honda tuning magazine article on jmo's
http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/t...1ht_converter/
also... will anyonw send me the pics of a tranny? pretty plz? i got all the tech data but with no pics i cant make it a reality... btw... anyone has the wiring diagram for the 2k1 k2 k3 k4 auto vics ECU? since i kinda need that as a seccond step to fool the ecu ... i know i should just pay the kit from level 10 but i dunt have 500 bucks.. minimun wage (im a student) here in my country is 100$ a month... so i kinda need to make it on my own.. im not afraid of donations though hehe..
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Rep Power: 0 im not trying to bumb the thread hehe ... sorry i just h8 editing.. (crappy pc) IMHO i would go with the level10 prods though... they got more time working on trannys and they also bulletproof trannys... i dunt know they seem more trustworthy IMHO
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Originally Posted by civicon18s
how much are torque converters and where can i get one?
Now... Boiler is a respected guy on these forums. Yes, auto's have make more torque down low but at really low RPMs..... after the car gets going, stock and stock, same decent to good driver, 5 speed will still win.
I thought they got rid of the traditional clutch pedal in F1 was b/c their sequential manuals are far advanced and faster than clutch pedal manuals. And in F1 where races takes hours and hours, using only 2 pedals would be easier and less fatiguing.
Some auto cars that allow you to shift up and down (ie, G35, TL, BMW), they are still slower to respond than stick shift cars. I dont know much about autos but how is that much different from slapping between D3 and D2?
A person can dream up anything, and if something like this were to be built, (which it has but for other cars), many auto fans would be happy.
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Originally Posted by CuRiOuSfIsH
If youre driving and auto, you have 1 already.
Now... Boiler is a respected guy on these forums. Yes, auto's have make more torque down low but at really low RPMs..... after the car gets going, stock and stock, same decent to good driver, 5 speed will still win.
I thought they got rid of the traditional clutch pedal in F1 was b/c their sequential manuals are far advanced and faster than clutch pedal manuals. And in F1 where races takes hours and hours, using only 2 pedals would be easier and less fatiguing.
Some auto cars that allow you to shift up and down (ie, G35, TL, BMW), they are still slower to respond than stick shift cars. I dont know much about autos but how is that much different from slapping between D3 and D2?
A person can dream up anything, and if something like this were to be built, (which it has but for other cars), many auto fans would be happy.
Now... Boiler is a respected guy on these forums. Yes, auto's have make more torque down low but at really low RPMs..... after the car gets going, stock and stock, same decent to good driver, 5 speed will still win.
I thought they got rid of the traditional clutch pedal in F1 was b/c their sequential manuals are far advanced and faster than clutch pedal manuals. And in F1 where races takes hours and hours, using only 2 pedals would be easier and less fatiguing.
Some auto cars that allow you to shift up and down (ie, G35, TL, BMW), they are still slower to respond than stick shift cars. I dont know much about autos but how is that much different from slapping between D3 and D2?
A person can dream up anything, and if something like this were to be built, (which it has but for other cars), many auto fans would be happy.
(no phun intended) 
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Rep Power: 0 worst part about auto is the fact that it only has 4 gears... not that it shifts automatically... the gear ratios aren't good for keeping your car in the peak power band... paddle shift or not... you'd be better off trying to make a 5 speed paddle shift if paddle shift is your wet dream... but good luck on that... anyone with a 4 speed paddle shift will be equated to a stock civic with 4 exhaust tips, an unpainted poorly installed cheap body kit, and a huge wing... GAY
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Originally Posted by Arcan3
erm.. dood.. i posted a link about a kit.. it allready exists... i just want to make my own since i cant afford it hehe (no phun intended)
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