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Old Jul 13, 2004
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making a dx vtec

would making a dx vtec be any harder than swapping in a vtec head and cam? If not, what else would be need and how much you guys think the costs would be thnx.
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^^^ dont do it, the non vtec is basically the same thing man, our civics are slow so vtec non vtec we still are slow. sorry its late and i am tired
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but it can make a difference when down at the quarter mile... i have 2 identical cars except one is vtec and one is non... did quarter mile on my dx at 17.34 at its best... then did the same with the ex and got 16.8 at best... so in track time it makes a difference... on the long run like street driving to me it doesnt make a difference
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Yeah but if your going to do a swap. Go through all that trouble; Wouldn't it be worth it to save the extra $$$ and go k20? Even if you don't wanna fork out the money for the k20a2, the k20a3 goes for $1,500 on ebay. The d17a2 goes for $700. I don't know. Just wondering that's all
Old Jul 27, 2004
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u guys are talking about much more time and money to go to a k20....

if you want vtec, you need an ex ecu to control it, meaning you need it coded for your key as well. you need an 01-04 D17A2 head, with the VTEC solenoid...

my suggestions... I love VTEC and should be added if your going all motor, but not yet. If you haven't already, instead of spending a grand on a VTEC setup, buy some mods. Buy an intake, cat-back, header, shortshifter and clutch. Those mods will make a much better difference than VTEC conversion. Then from there get the thing dyno tuned. You want to do VTEC last, when there's nothing else to do.

I could name so much more to do but I'm damn tired.
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i also forgot to say that i got my ex head with solenoid for $200 and the ecu for $80.. the only thing is that i havent got it coded for my key yet
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I dunno if converting to weak-TEC is worth it. Sure it's more noticable with boost but N/A
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like i said earlier...im just trying to get rack time better
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Stock LX motor without v-tec...115 hp...stock ex motor with V-tec...127 hp...add a bunch of mods and the v-tec motor is way ahead of the non vtec...not sure if it would beat an engine swap though...i bought my car with v-tec becuase it is my daily driver...
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It's not as noticable as one might think. If you drove both cars, I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference.
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I don't agree with going with vtec in dx however ...

dx is like 200 pounds lighter than the ex ... so the d17a2 would be a bit peppier in the dx
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if your gonna make a DX vtec, make it DOHC vtec.
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Originally Posted by jahernandez
Stock LX motor without v-tec...115 hp...stock ex motor with V-tec...127 hp...add a bunch of mods and the v-tec motor is way ahead of the non vtec...not sure if it would beat an engine swap though...i bought my car with v-tec becuase it is my daily driver...
That might have been the case with the older Civics b/c the D16Z6 and D16Y8 actually had a SOHC VTEC you can feel.
The difference between the EX and DX/LX engine isnt as much as ppl may think.
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
I don't agree with going with vtec in dx however ...

dx is like 200 pounds lighter than the ex ... so the d17a2 would be a bit peppier in the dx
The gearing in a DX is still longer than an EX. EX's have closer gear ratios, making them feel a lil peppier.
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Originally Posted by EnProceso
if your gonna make a DX vtec, make it DOHC vtec.
w3rd, k20 for teh win!
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Originally Posted by MadWheel
The gearing in a DX is still longer than an EX. EX's have closer gear ratios, making them feel a lil peppier.
I know the gearing is shorter. But taking away 200 pounds that the ex normally has over a dx would make the car more peppier than shorter gearing
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how significant is the gearing?
for me, LX, redlined 1st to 2nd lands at 4K in 2nd..... 2nd to 3rd lands at 4500.... what is it for EX trannies?
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dont know how ur redline is different for each gear.. in my dx it redlines 6800 in all gears... except i havent redlined it in 4th and 5th yet
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dont know how ur redline is different for each gear.. in my dx it redlines 6800 in all gears... except i havent redlined it in 4th and 5th yet... second of all has anyone done a head swap yet or does anyone have the wiring diagram
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i have a 2001 LX auto, what is my engine number, and how much all together for a k20a2 swap?
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your ENGINE code should be d17a1, look for it a lil left of your headers
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I put a D17A2 (EX) in place of my blown LX motor, and i didn't see a big differnce proformance wise between the two motors. exept for the V-tec of the EX is kinda cool. the main reason i think the EX has more power is in its exhaust.
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did anyone read my post i did earlier... it said """but it can make a difference when down at the quarter mile... i have 2 identical cars except one is vtec and one is non... did quarter mile on my dx at 17.34 at its best... then did the same with the ex and got 16.8 at best... so in track time it makes a difference... on the long run like street driving to me it doesnt make a difference""" but i have both cars and drive both of em so i like driving my ex mroe cause it has more pull for it
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I know you probably aren't looking to fork out the extra cash to do a k20 swap, and I know personally that I like my EX Sedan more than I like my LX Coupe because you can feel the v-tec kick in. My moto is go big or go home, so go all out if you want that extra goodness, and don't be stingy when it comes to money, it is everywhere to be made.
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oh well..i thought i would bump this thread back up cause i finally did it.. and without the ecu.. go here
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=169411
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http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=965772
check it out...same thread, different site..good job bro...

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yup.. i originally posted it here in 7th gen.. then someone PMed me and told me i should put it up in honda tech so that way they can see that there are people out there who do work on our EM2's
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great job! how's it running..loving how this motor is starting to get peoples attention...k20 is tooo much!(for now)
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u know what... its running great... my friend has an ex with the same boltons as i do... and also running a VAFC2... now when i run him my vtec kicks in harder than his and mines is louder.. almost like how a DOHC would sound... kinda in between the sound of his vtec and a DOHC vtec.. i ran at the tracks 16.9 with my non-vtec motor... next week imma head out there and get some times with my vtec on and VAFC2.. hopefully i can get it tuned before then
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cool..keep me posted...my girl was looking for a new car and i told her to get an lx..and that would be perfect!...that way i can "screw-up" her car...lol



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