Any B series transplants
Any B series transplants
Has anyone performed a B-series transplant into a 7th gen Civic?
And if so can you tell me some specifics as to what was required for the swap.
And for all you who like to make jokes...I don't just mean the following:
- Motor
- Tranny
- ECU
- Axles with Half Shaft
- Shift Linkage
- Alternator
- Starter
- Clutch
- Flywheel
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Engine Harness
- All Needed Sensors
Any
or info that can be provided will be greatly appreciated.
And if so can you tell me some specifics as to what was required for the swap.
And for all you who like to make jokes...I don't just mean the following:
- Motor
- Tranny
- ECU
- Axles with Half Shaft
- Shift Linkage
- Alternator
- Starter
- Clutch
- Flywheel
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Engine Harness
- All Needed Sensors
Any
or info that can be provided will be greatly appreciated. 
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From what i've heard, doing this would be illegal. Putting and engine into a car that is older than the car is against the law... or at least that's what people say on this site. I haven't looked into it personally though.
And to answer your question, i've never heard of anyone doing this yet.
And to answer your question, i've never heard of anyone doing this yet.
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Rep Power: 0 Not if you own a 2001 civic and put a 2001 integra engine in it. You would have to custom make engine mounts or wait for HASport to make mounts.I have never heard of this being done. Im sure it could be done though.
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Rep Power: 0 From what i've read on this site, it is illegal because of emissions regulations or some bs like that, so, you could theoretically drive it around untill you have to get your emissions tested, but if they decide to look under the hood you could get in trouble, you could do a search and I'm sure you'd come up with tons of info.
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Rep Power: 0 humm..... i'd think if they changed almost all the parts, mounts, positons of sensors, and everything else they changed in the 7th gen., it probiblity is close to impossable to do such a morbid thing....
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by Renamazazo
that must be a pretty interesting vehicle n318z, how much time/blood/money that cost ya?
that must be a pretty interesting vehicle n318z, how much time/blood/money that cost ya?
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My only question with a B series drop is WHY????
First off, its in the past. It's done, finished, gone. Why pay almost the same for an old model engine (What's a 2001 B18C1 go for these days?? $3G? $3500?), when you can snag a K20A2 with with 30 more HP, more torque, and is just stepping up to the plate? Cybernation has already proven its good for 400+ HP, so why waste the money with back-dated stuff?
Now I realize there's like a trillion parts for a B, but the K is starting to come into it's own. You need to give it a few years, quality parts take some time to develop. Quit living in the past, and spend your money on the latest and greatest. Sooner or later, B-series development is gonna halt (if it hasn't already) and you'll be stuck with what's out there. The K has already proven it can be a beast, turbo or not... so I don't get why some of you guys still want a B.
Someone explain the point of going with something old, that was never intended to be dropped into a car with Mac Struts (remember integras had Double wishbones), it's a totally different layout, and there's no subframe that's gonna fit for a swap.
First off, its in the past. It's done, finished, gone. Why pay almost the same for an old model engine (What's a 2001 B18C1 go for these days?? $3G? $3500?), when you can snag a K20A2 with with 30 more HP, more torque, and is just stepping up to the plate? Cybernation has already proven its good for 400+ HP, so why waste the money with back-dated stuff?
Now I realize there's like a trillion parts for a B, but the K is starting to come into it's own. You need to give it a few years, quality parts take some time to develop. Quit living in the past, and spend your money on the latest and greatest. Sooner or later, B-series development is gonna halt (if it hasn't already) and you'll be stuck with what's out there. The K has already proven it can be a beast, turbo or not... so I don't get why some of you guys still want a B.
Someone explain the point of going with something old, that was never intended to be dropped into a car with Mac Struts (remember integras had Double wishbones), it's a totally different layout, and there's no subframe that's gonna fit for a swap.
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Rep Power: 0 this is so weird, i was about to make a post about doing the same thing coz i can get a 99 type r engine for cheap right now, and the shop told me they could make it fit for me...
wow!
what a coincidence!
wow!
what a coincidence!
yeah me too. There is a mfg. who makes b-series engines. so you would not have the issue with old engine, and new car. but then I did some research and deciced to opt. for the K20a. yep were going to do this thing JDM
Has anyone ever heard of PYR in Houston? I know the guys and their reputation with building circuit cars. They have performed many of motor swaps and could almost be considered the motor swap kings of the South. They have performed many of B-Series engine swaps into 7th gen Hondas Civics with no problem. I don't want the B18C1 or C5 or any variation of the K20 series engines. (My own reason and your logical won't change that. Once again opinions are like buttholes and everbody has one.) I want the B16B 98+ engine. The stock bottom end on those cars will hold up better than any B18C engine and besides has anyone read the August issue of SuperStreet yet. That Top Fuel hatch is wicked. Peter at PYR assured me that it is a straight bolt up, no problems.
I am not looking to boost the engine...a ton of aggressive aftermarket parts have been R&D, tested and proven for that platform and are readily available. Also in Texas there is no rule against make/model and year as far as engine swaps go...all they car about is emissions and if your car passes.
Those of you out there who want a K20, good for you, and have it.
That is just not the route I am going to take.
And if anyone wants to talk to Peter or any of the guys at PYR about this same topic here is their site.
http://www.pyr-racing.com
I am not looking to boost the engine...a ton of aggressive aftermarket parts have been R&D, tested and proven for that platform and are readily available. Also in Texas there is no rule against make/model and year as far as engine swaps go...all they car about is emissions and if your car passes.
Those of you out there who want a K20, good for you, and have it.
That is just not the route I am going to take.
And if anyone wants to talk to Peter or any of the guys at PYR about this same topic here is their site.
http://www.pyr-racing.com
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Rep Power: 563 Originally posted by Renamazazo
From what i've heard, doing this would be illegal. Putting and engine into a car that is older than the car is against the law... or at least that's what people say on this site. I haven't looked into it personally though.
And to answer your question, i've never heard of anyone doing this yet.
From what i've heard, doing this would be illegal. Putting and engine into a car that is older than the car is against the law... or at least that's what people say on this site. I haven't looked into it personally though.
And to answer your question, i've never heard of anyone doing this yet.
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Rep Power: 0 If you put a motor in your car that is older then your cars year its illeagel bc of admissions and laws may have changed - i dunno why. You can put any motor in your car that was made after your car was built though. so a 2001 civic motor into a 2002 would be illegal but a 2003 motor in a 2002 would be fine (even though all 3 motors are the same)
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What has been the logical behind it being illegal?
What has been the logical behind it being illegal?
I looked up the TDMV website and they had the following on motor transplants:
These are the laws in Texas
Engine Swaps
Rules regulating engine swapping are not make/model specific. The simple rule is that a vehicle must have all emissions components that were present when it was manufactured, which may include:
PCV - positive crankcase ventilation
ACL - air cleaner (thermostatic air cleaner)
AIS - secondary air injection
EGR - exhaust gas recirculation
EVAP - evaporative emission
CAT - catalytic convertor
SPK - spark control
FR - fillpipe restrictor
O2S - oxygen sensor
These are the laws in Texas
Engine Swaps
Rules regulating engine swapping are not make/model specific. The simple rule is that a vehicle must have all emissions components that were present when it was manufactured, which may include:
PCV - positive crankcase ventilation
ACL - air cleaner (thermostatic air cleaner)
AIS - secondary air injection
EGR - exhaust gas recirculation
EVAP - evaporative emission
CAT - catalytic convertor
SPK - spark control
FR - fillpipe restrictor
O2S - oxygen sensor
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Rep Power: 0 I wouldnt consider PYR motor swap gods, but they are ****in incredible. They build badass cars. Other reputable shops for hondas in houston are autologic (ever heard of the "famous" viper killing civic.) Inline racing, Jisatsu racing, and RSI motorsports( not the one that works on supras).
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Rep Power: 0 going with a k20A2 engine swap (rsx swap) seems like the best way to go, however it is going to cost you an arm and a leg. The engine if purchased from a site such as www.jdmhondaparts.com will cost you $5000 or more, and thats not all u basically need the whole front end of an rsx...go to www.hondawerx to see how they put a k20A2 in a 2002 civic.
Yeah I have heard of AutoLogic and seen the Viper killing Civic in action. The guy who owns AutoLogic...he and I do not get along very well. The guys at RSI well...I can only say that I have seen some of their work and most of all on Vipers. I gotta tell you, there has only been one or two shops in town that I trust with anything...one has closed it doors and the other the owner became an arogant a$s. Both of which were domestic shops who did some work on Supra's and that was it. But this is not a post about ripping shops and their validity and or their work. If the swap gets done it will be done by myself with the help of some knowledgeable friends. I just wanted to know if anyone has done the swap? As far as the K20 swap, yeah it is a nice engine but the B16B engine would (IMO) would be the better way to go for what I want to accomplish. Remember if I want to drag race I have a bigger better car for that. This is for racing at Texas World Speedway.
Anyway thank you all for your help and comments.
If I begin the swap process I will keep you all updated and informed about it.
As well as provide any information that may be of interest to any of you.
Anyway thank you all for your help and comments.
If I begin the swap process I will keep you all updated and informed about it.
As well as provide any information that may be of interest to any of you.
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Rep Power: 0 Yeah, cary's hatch is pretty badass. good luck with whatever you choose to do. By the way, the RSI that I mentioned, isnt the one that works on only vipers/supras/top dollar vehicles. There is another unaffiliated shop named RSI near fountainview that specializes in honda's and other i-4's. good luck though, and keep us posted.
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If you put a motor in your car that is older then your cars year its illeagel bc of admissions and laws may have changed - i dunno why. You can put any motor in your car that was made after your car was built though. so a 2001 civic motor into a 2002 would be illegal but a 2003 motor in a 2002 would be fine (even though all 3 motors are the same)
If you put a motor in your car that is older then your cars year its illeagel bc of admissions and laws may have changed - i dunno why. You can put any motor in your car that was made after your car was built though. so a 2001 civic motor into a 2002 would be illegal but a 2003 motor in a 2002 would be fine (even though all 3 motors are the same)
ACTUALLY, if the motor is still the same exact motor IT can be swapped. Say a d17 was made back in the 60s and it is still the same motor today, you can use the one from way back in the 60s because it is still in use today. I know some Domestics use the same engines from some time ago still today. (Just a example)
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by obtix
thats not true... bc emmisions have changed
thats not true... bc emmisions have changed
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Rep Power: 0 Yes it can be done, but ONLY if you have a 2001 Civic, any older years and its illegal. B-series Integra GSR & Type R motor were made until 2001 some its is completely LEGAL to put a 2001 Motor in a 2001 Civic.
After researching this subject and talking to people at the Texas DMV the following is what I have come to understand:
The legality of a motor swap and the year/make/model depends on which state you live in. Some states only require that the engine pass the required emissions test designated for that state. Where as other states require that the engine not be older than the year of the chassis of the car. It all depends on what state you live in. Of coarse if the car is not to be driven on the open road and only used strictly for racing at sanctioned tracks then this would not be a problem.
On another note, anyone who has an aftermarket exhaust with a test pipe (no CAT), head, cam, t-body, intake manifold, full race header with O2 Sims, upgraded fuel system (pump, filter, lines injectors) and ECU/EMS upgrades probably would not pass emissions. These are some of the things that a lot of us strive for in our search for more power. So in all honesty unless you live in California do you really stress this (the legality of a motor swap) or not.
The legality of a motor swap and the year/make/model depends on which state you live in. Some states only require that the engine pass the required emissions test designated for that state. Where as other states require that the engine not be older than the year of the chassis of the car. It all depends on what state you live in. Of coarse if the car is not to be driven on the open road and only used strictly for racing at sanctioned tracks then this would not be a problem.
On another note, anyone who has an aftermarket exhaust with a test pipe (no CAT), head, cam, t-body, intake manifold, full race header with O2 Sims, upgraded fuel system (pump, filter, lines injectors) and ECU/EMS upgrades probably would not pass emissions. These are some of the things that a lot of us strive for in our search for more power. So in all honesty unless you live in California do you really stress this (the legality of a motor swap) or not.
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And since I mentioned it has anyone performed all of the upgrades to their top end that I brought up---head, cam, t-body, intake manifold, full race header with O2 Sims, upgraded fuel system (pump, filter, lines injectors) and ECU/EMS upgrades?
I have read in posts where someone had an intake manifold and where another had a head, but what I want to know is has anyone spent the time and money to do the list above to their car and have it tuned properly. There is a lot more to building a motor and expecting gains than just slapping a head or just an intake manifold on. Everything has to match up and work in conjunction. If you place a head on a car it is not going to run good unless you have the air to flow into it and the proper exhaust to dispense that air and the right fuel to air ration to make the proper combustion to actually utilize the head. Most of the posts that I have read where people are complaining about the products that they have bought they have not properly set up their engine for optimum gains.
In all sincerity correct me if I am wrong.
I have read in posts where someone had an intake manifold and where another had a head, but what I want to know is has anyone spent the time and money to do the list above to their car and have it tuned properly. There is a lot more to building a motor and expecting gains than just slapping a head or just an intake manifold on. Everything has to match up and work in conjunction. If you place a head on a car it is not going to run good unless you have the air to flow into it and the proper exhaust to dispense that air and the right fuel to air ration to make the proper combustion to actually utilize the head. Most of the posts that I have read where people are complaining about the products that they have bought they have not properly set up their engine for optimum gains.
In all sincerity correct me if I am wrong.
