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Michalo187 10-10-2004 01:56 AM

2000 Prelude....not to impressive
 
Ok just awhile ago i was cruisin in town with my friend he has an accord 98 with headers pulleys and intake and a 2000 Prelude with an intake starts passing us fast and waiting for us :eek: so finally we say WTF :cool: we are gonna lose but lets see what we got. I told him to race first. They start to race and the prelude leaves my friend for awhile but in third gear the accord passes him and beats him. So we go again and they stay right next to eachother. I had two people in the car with me and my sub box and i was staying right behind it was pretty awesome but i thought they were faster than that. My vic has headers exhaust venom chip and pulleys :rockon:

jttegx 10-10-2004 02:12 AM

nice.
which cars were auto/manual?
was ur friends 98 accord v6 too?

Michalo187 10-10-2004 02:15 AM

No 4 banger all standard

Michalo187 10-10-2004 02:15 AM

I seriously thought they were way faster

rEkKaShInObI 10-10-2004 02:22 AM


Originally Posted by Michalo187
I seriously thought they were way faster

for a car with DOHC it sure itsnt fast.

Michalo187 10-10-2004 02:27 AM

Yeah seriously it has DOHC and 200 hp not fast at all

tripledoublegs 10-10-2004 02:43 AM

what do you guys expect...it weights a shitload

Michalo187 10-10-2004 02:45 AM

yeah it also has a lot of hp compared to a vic

gh0st 10-10-2004 03:12 AM

regardless of whether or not it has more hp...if it can't move it's own weight faster than a civic can move it's own then it will be slower...

takumi 10-10-2004 10:59 AM

Yep, it's called Power to Weight ratio.

CuRiOuSfIsH 10-10-2004 11:04 AM

uhh.... u might have been racing an auto...... and those dont come in 200HP.

Michalo187 10-10-2004 05:24 PM

No it was standard we stopped and talked to him! yeah its kinda true about the power to weight ratio what are the vics power to weight ratio?

pnoyster2k1cvic 10-10-2004 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by CuRiOuSfIsH
uhh.... u might have been racing an auto...... and those dont come in 200HP.

their torque suck :moon: maybe... coz I searched online and can't find a torque spec for the damn car... hmmmm hiding it in purpose? :susp:

tripledoublegs 10-10-2004 07:33 PM

^^154 TQ I believe

TurboDreamZ 10-11-2004 06:43 AM

hmm what is the pwr to weight ration on the vics?

pnoyster2k1cvic 10-11-2004 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by TurboDreamZ
hmm what is the pwr to weight ration on the vics?

my guess is about maybe 1HP per 90lbs :shrug: I think this been talked about before, but I can't find the link to the thread...

Echelon04 10-11-2004 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by Takumi
Yep, it's called Power to Weight ratio.

EXACTLY! People are to concerned with just straight HP. There are many more factors that contribute to a car's speed. :moon:

VietScouty 10-11-2004 07:47 PM

HA HE! Lesser weight with more HP, means faster car!!!! Oh yeah, better gas mileage too!!! Its well worth to invest in with stock DX parts with weight reduction...MORE GAS MILEAGE!!!! :):)

z00mX 10-11-2004 09:41 PM

i dont think that prelude knows how to race... a 2000 prelude will take your car anyday... your car weight almost as much as him.

Michalo187 10-12-2004 12:38 AM

He is pretty ****ing good at driving but i thought we bother were gonna get killed but we were suprised he just said dam your guys cars have ballz.

pnoyster2k1cvic 10-12-2004 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Michalo187
He is pretty ****ing good at driving but i thought we bother were gonna get killed but we were suprised he just said dam your guys cars have ballz.

just keep your RPM above VTEC engagement and you will atleast hang on behind him :D

hwani.h22a. 10-12-2004 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by z00mX
i dont think that prelude knows how to race... a 2000 prelude will take your car anyday... your car weight almost as much as him.

very true.

was the 98 accord v6? or inline 4? Either way, 5-spd prelude will beat AV6 or AI4 with no problem.
Iam an ex owner of 2002 accord v6, and current owner of 2001 5-spd prelude. as far as straight line goes, av6 has to have more than I/H/P to keep up with stock prelude on a highway.

Also, I don't know what kind of civic you have, but it better be K20A civic, because stock 7th gen civic with useless vtec system will not hang with prelude at all.
Especially when the civic has 2 passengers and a sub.

I smell auto prelude(even auto would've smoked the civic), or manual prelude didn't downshift at all, or this story is just :-bs: .

anybody in Northwest chapter, relatively close to Portland, Oregon, let me know. I'll gladly show you what prelude can do on a highway.

pnoyster2k1cvic 10-12-2004 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by hwani.h22a.
very true.

was the 98 accord v6? or inline 4? Either way, 5-spd prelude will beat AV6 or AI4 with no problem.
Iam an ex owner of 2002 accord v6, and current owner of 2001 5-spd prelude. as far as straight line goes, av6 has to have more than I/H/P to keep up with stock prelude on a highway.

Also, I don't know what kind of civic you have, but it better be K20A civic, because stock 7th gen civic with useless vtec system will not hang with prelude at all.
Especially when the civic has 2 passengers and a sub.

I smell auto prelude(even auto would've smoked the civic), or manual prelude didn't downshift at all, or this story is just :-bs: .

anybody in Northwest chapter, relatively close to Portland, Oregon, let me know. I'll gladly show you what prelude can do on a highway.

why don't you come down to vegas and we'll show you a piece of shit D17a2 can do hehehehehe :evil:

Metallica454 10-12-2004 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by rEkKaShInObI
for a car with DOHC it sure itsnt fast.

Just because a car has DOHC doesnt make it fast.



Originally Posted by Michalo187
Yeah seriously it has DOHC and 200 hp not fast at all

So are you saying a 200hp DOHC car that weighs the same as a 200hp SOHC car will be faster? You're kidding right? Like I said: DOHC doesn't mean fast, it's just an engine configuration.

When C&D tested the Prelude, they tested an SH (the heavier one) with a manual. They ran a 6.8 to 60 with it. Either the 'lude was an auto, or the guy couldn't drive. A Prelude should beat out a 4 cyl Accord any day.

hwani.h22a. 10-12-2004 04:18 PM

In *general theory*, DOHC has top-end advantage over SOHC because of double over head cam instead of single. exhaustion is much better in terms of flowing.
however, DOHC tend to lose slight low-end torque over SOHC.

this does not apply to every car though. Some high-end mercedes sports car still uses SOHC for better low-end and also gops of power.

however, in this case, it doesn't really matter if its DOHC or SOHC.
"its not impressive for a dohc" is plain ignorant comment to make if you are a car enthusist.

Michalo187 10-13-2004 02:24 AM

My little civic would pull on them at the start then they both leave me by like a car and then we would stay the same and the accord would pull away it was a 4 cyclinder accord and i know how fast a lude is but i know civics that can kill it!

hwani.h22a. 10-13-2004 03:18 AM

Your civic pulling on them at the start?

Prelude is known for its infamous 4000k clutch slip launch. I never lack too much low-end power compare to other hondas, and thats how some preluders get amazing 60ft times compare to others.

In reality, given equal drivers, prelude should pull on civic from a launch slightly. As the RPM reaches higher and speed gets faster, prelude would be pulling away pretty hard.

I know how slow 6th generation 4cyl accord manual is. They run mid 16s at best stock.
With I/H/E/P, proven to run high 15s AT THE MOST.
Prelude stock is capable of very low 15s, few guys with I/H/E running high 14s with ease.

Its hard to believe your story as 4cyl accord pulled away from prelude, and your civic stayed the same with prelude.

I don't think is prelude is fast stock. Its just 7th generation civic is slow stock.
Its not meant for racing. Not to mention that prelude is also made for handling not drag.
But I definitely do know ALOT OF CIVICS that can kill prelude without a single problem.
but those civics has nothing to do with your 7th generation civic nor this conversation doesn't it?

Is there any stock d17 civic 5-spd willing to race a stock h22a prelude in Northwest region? or modified d17 civic vs modified h22a prelude?

CuRiOuSfIsH 10-13-2004 10:39 AM

^^^ luckily SOME of us on here know how slow our cars are, and know where to pick fights and where not to.

Michalo187 10-14-2004 01:33 AM

I will film the accord beating the prelude and we can see maybe he doesnt know how to launch but out of 4 times the accord won three times in the end like at 100mph not quarter mile and the last time the lude killed the accord the accord has v tec power pulleys aem intake dc headers dc exhaust and obx spark wires

z00mX 10-14-2004 10:29 PM

i wanna see the video! cause i won't believe it until i see it! cause i know a lude will take it anyday!


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