New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq So I went up to Jeff Evans yesterday to get a retune on the new motor and find out what the stage 3 could actually do. Turns out the stage 3 is just too big of a cam there is not enough static compression to support it basically it needs either high comp pistons or boost to support the cam. It runs ridiculously smooth though. And I'm getting like 40 miles to the gallon on this new tune. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...wdynochart.jpg If I get a warm streak one weekend I will pop the stage 2 back in to see how it does the last time I had the stage 2 in it supposedly did 144 (i did see one chart on the computer that said 127 hp w/ matching torque) on a messed up map and shitty leaky exhaust and no intake mani. the stage 2 with the setup that I have I should break 150 without too much trouble. the Intake side and the exhaust side breathe perfectly and there is no restrictions at those two points but the wall comes down on the cam and pistons. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq sweeet!!!! good job man. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq Could you post your full build list in here (intake, exhaust, motor, trans). Glad to see you got a run in on the dyno and got some solid numbers to look at. I have a few questions: Is this regular or premium fuel? What were the conditions of the dyno- temp/humidity? Thats pretty amazing if your getting 40mpg. Is that all highway in optimial conditions (no electrics-sub,fogs; and no defroster)? |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq Lol nice...you built a civic that rivals the hybrid.....in fuel economy. j/k. Hope that stage2 goes better. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq JDM Fabtech Intake Mani Crower Stage 3 Cam Crower Valve Springs DC Sports 4-2-1 Full Race Header ARP rod bolts Morso Oil Accumulator K-Pro w/ cam gear I'm running 93 octane but that is because of my ignition timing. I could run regular with out a real problem cause it's still stock compression. It was dry and cold out in the shop though it was probably like 70 degrees? I don't know it was roasting hot so I wasn't loosing any real power. the 40 is on the highway with the stero cranked lol i'm running like 17.4 17.6 air to fuel ratio when cruising and when I step on it it drops to like 13.1 In the city is like 35-36 if I am pushing it all the way it will drop to 28 |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq
Originally Posted by CiViCPrAnInG2k1
(Post 4367887)
sweeet!!!! good job man.
Originally Posted by doctor
(Post 4367937)
Lol nice...you built a civic that rivals the hybrid.....in fuel economy. j/k. Hope that stage2 goes better. that stage 2 should be nice since I actually have a clean map already set up and ready for it. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq Whoa that mileage is crazy...those are some high afr's. I'm sure they're safe with stock mileage...and nice tune by the way, I keep seeing/hear nothing but good from Jeff. If I ever get my tune refreshed, I think I'll be going to him. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq
Originally Posted by bakertime
(Post 4368105)
Whoa that mileage is crazy...those are some high afr's. I'm sure they're safe with stock mileage...and nice tune by the way, I keep seeing/hear nothing but good from Jeff. If I ever get my tune refreshed, I think I'll be going to him. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq why not put the high comp pistons in there and see what kinda of power you can really make? |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq Sup man, glad you got everything running good again. You make me want to drop in a cam again. Stock cam sucks after having the stage 2 but its nice have a smooth idle again. Maybe ill get a stage 1 and call it a day. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq paul nice bro! glad that you got everything going again! |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq
Originally Posted by hwt101
(Post 4368115)
why not put the high comp pistons in there and see what kinda of power you can really make?
Originally Posted by ronaldo9
(Post 4368119)
Sup man, glad you got everything running good again. You make me want to drop in a cam again. Stock cam sucks after having the stage 2 but its nice have a smooth idle again. Maybe ill get a stage 1 and call it a day.
Originally Posted by filipinop1405
(Post 4368126)
paul nice bro! glad that you got everything going again! |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq how much did that JDM Fabtech Intake Manifold cost you? |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq The quote I got from Gary of JDM Fabtech was 1000$. Keep in mind that these are made to order so there will be some downtime waiting for it. Well worth it though. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq
Originally Posted by ronaldo9
(Post 4368119)
Sup man, glad you got everything running good again. You make me want to drop in a cam again. Stock cam sucks after having the stage 2 but its nice have a smooth idle again. Maybe ill get a stage 1 and call it a day. Sorry for my plug! |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq I'm looking for a mild tune so I wouldn't mind taking that Stage 2 off you hands Triz. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq
Originally Posted by EM2 RYDER
(Post 4368140)
how much did that JDM Fabtech Intake Manifold cost you? I'm going to switch the stage 2 cam take it back up to jeff to see what the car will do. Without the intake manifold it should hit around 140hp to 149hp with it, it should be even higher. I would like to get number's just to support the Intake mani.
Originally Posted by 7thgenMugen
(Post 4368143)
The quote I got from Gary of JDM Fabtech was 1000$. Keep in mind that these are made to order so there will be some downtime waiting for it. Well worth it though. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq It's Gerry not Gary Also sorry for the small thread jack between me and Triz. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq no prob on the thread jack i've done my fair share of thread jacks |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq I hope you do get better numbers with the stage 2's. With all the work and money you spent, those numbers are pretty darn low. You're getting even less at the wheels. All the work and money you spent is just not justified with those really low numbers. good luck with the stage 2s. looking forward to seeing higher numbers soon |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq
Originally Posted by bomerman19
(Post 4368134)
Yeah man thanks sorry I couldn't really help you out on that block but as you can see I am going to need it in the future.lol and if your back up in the area again hit me up. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq i think stage3 is just too much. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq Whats your basis for thinking that its just too much? Yeah its the last stage for our cars on the crower line, but really... if you have the right tune then it'll be smooth like the stock cam just idleing a little higher, but when you get on it, you'll have more power. I dont think thats too much for our cars- I think there isnt enough power in our cars to begin with, thats why we tune them. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq I think the stage 3 is a little big for the car it does run nice and smooth and it idles at 900 rpm and I think it would be a great cam to start with if down the line you decided to up the compression. I really do like this cam with the drive-ablity. it has a big fat nice smooth power band were the stage 2 on my car was just straight up viscous. Mind you I was running a shitty map but I think gerry's intake manifold just made it a lot more powerful and in turn made it feel as tough as it did. I will say this about the stage 2 cam depending on were I set the vtec point; when I hit vtec it usually was pretty hard, harder than my 99 prelude that has real vtec not eco vtec. It was actually painful on some accounts. So when I get a chance I will drop the stage 2 cam in to see how it does and what it feels like. I think it will break 150 but will see. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq my whole reasoning is that you start to mess with the powerband and after a point the car makes all of its power above 5k rpms. you still need to strike a balance for daily driving. building NA is totally different than building for turbo. you cant just carve out huge head ports, run a 3 inch exhaust, etc. the engine just wont work right. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq
Originally Posted by gearbox
(Post 4368482)
my whole reasoning is that you start to mess with the powerband and after a point the car makes all of its power above 5k rpms. you still need to strike a balance for daily driving. building NA is totally different than building for turbo. you cant just carve out huge head ports, run a 3 inch exhaust, etc. the engine just wont work right. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq yup and this is why dyno tuning is so useful. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq What's up bomer, how's that home depot garden edging front lip workin out for ya? Heh, Nice numbers by the way. |
Re: New N/A Dyno stage 3 120hp 118tq
Originally Posted by Eyger
(Post 4368741)
What's up bomer, how's that home depot garden edging front lip workin out for ya? Heh, Nice numbers by the way. |
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