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Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by azi90
(Post 4633841)
Complete suspensions or just struts |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by sl33pyriceboi
(Post 4633946)
Read the previous comments. You do not need to replace springs unless they are damaged |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts If you want to soften the ride, you will need to find new springs that have a lower rate. Although the shocks may make a small difference, most will be tuned to OEM specs or stiffer. You can lower your air pressure a little in the tires. 28 will give you a little better ride, but will decrease mileage and may decrease tire life. Also a good butt pillow will make a difference. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts you still have not changed them? ... shocks weak, will not hold the springs movement anymore and springs will go boingo, boingo and hit the travel limits and crash on them. simple as that, rough ride. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by sdaidoji
(Post 4635636)
you still have not changed them? ... shocks weak, will not hold the springs movement anymore and springs will go boingo, boingo and hit the travel limits and crash on them. simple as that, rough ride. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by TiggerDX
(Post 4635619)
If you want to soften the ride, you will need to find new springs that have a lower rate. Although the shocks may make a small difference, most will be tuned to OEM specs or stiffer. You can lower your air pressure a little in the tires. 28 will give you a little better ride, but will decrease mileage and may decrease tire life. Also a good butt pillow will make a difference. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts I'm not telling you to do anything. What I am saying is that based on the fact that you have said you want a softer ride, you will need to change the spring rate. You may find that changing the struts will do what you want, but to really get a softer ride, you will need to change the springs to ones with a lower compression rate. Not that I know where to find them or if they even make them. Remember, the labor for changing out the struts is the same as changing out the complete unit. If you find the struts are not enough, then you will have to pay full labor rates again to change the coils. You might see if you can find some adjustable units. I know the Tokico Blues I had on my Inifiniti were adjustable for a softer or firmer ride. It will cost more, but you will only do it once. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by TiggerDX
(Post 4635650)
I'm not telling you to do anything. What I am saying is that based on the fact that you have said you want a softer ride, you will need to change the spring rate. You may find that changing the struts will do what you want, but to really get a softer ride, you will need to change the springs to ones with a lower compression rate. Not that I know where to find them or if they even make them. Remember, the labor for changing out the struts is the same as changing out the complete unit. If you find the struts are not enough, then you will have to pay full labor rates again to change the coils. You might see if you can find some adjustable units. I know the Tokico Blues I had on my Inifiniti were adjustable for a softer or firmer ride. It will cost more, but you will only do it once. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts I understand. I have $6k into a 94 worth $2500. And I need to do the struts as well some day. I don't know your situation, but if you have access to a garage, you could buy all the tools (if you don't already have them) and do it yourself for a whole lot less than the mechanic will charge. (you can rent the coil compressor - the only specialized toll you need) It's not a difficult job but it takes time. The Monroe's are a decent shock. They seem to have a bad rap on here but they are standard on many cars. But there are better ones for what your mechanic is charging. (if it makes any difference Monroe owns Rancho who make some of the better off-road shocks) |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts Not that I recommend this place as I know nothing about them but this will give you an idea of what you can get a good set for. http://www.customcarscentral.com/tkc...FSRxQgodNRQABQ http://site.customcarscentral.com/images/hp-spec.jpg |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by TiggerDX
(Post 4635652)
I understand. I have $6k into a 94 worth $2500. And I need to do the struts as well some day. I don't know your situation, but if you have access to a garage, you could buy all the tools (if you don't already have them) and do it yourself for a whole lot less than the mechanic will charge. (you can rent the coil compressor - the only specialized toll you need) It's not a difficult job but it takes time. The Monroe's are a decent shock. They seem to have a bad rap on here but they are standard on many cars. But there are better ones for what your mechanic is charging. (if it makes any difference Monroe owns Rancho who make some of the better off-road shocks) |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by TiggerDX
(Post 4635653)
Not that I recommend this place as I know nothing about them but this will give you an idea of what you can get a good set for. http://www.customcarscentral.com/tkc...FSRxQgodNRQABQ http://site.customcarscentral.com/images/hp-spec.jpg |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts tiggerdx, my experience with adjustable shocks is: even if the springs are really stiff, if the shocks can control the spring rates, they WILL be more confortable. they will just follow the contour of the bumps. of course it have a limit, if they are like steel beams, they will not compress at all, just jump. azi90, most of us does not use the monroes, we prefer not to. so asking our opinion will not help you at all, so you just... need to pull the trigger for what your wallet will allow and live with the potential chances that it will... not work for long. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by sdaidoji
(Post 4635657)
tiggerdx, my experience with adjustable shocks is: even if the springs are really stiff, if the shocks can control the spring rates, they WILL be more confortable. they will just follow the contour of the bumps. of course it have a limit, if they are like steel beams, they will not compress at all, just jump. azi90, most of us does not use the monroes, we prefer not to. so asking our opinion will not help you at all, so you just... need to pull the trigger for what your wallet will allow and live with the potential chances that it will... not work for long. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts So i decided to go get the struts installed but than i found out tokico blues dont make struts anymore for civic 2004 :S now they gave me otion to instal KYB GR-2® / Excel-G .. how are they for comfort ? again no LOWERingS |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts KYB aren't as good as the blues but are probably your best option besides the blues. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by sl33pyriceboi
(Post 4636320)
KYB aren't as good as the blues but are probably your best option besides the blues. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts another mechanic that i took my car too for further inspection said the same thing .. and this time this guy is been in market for abt 20 years.. he said thats how all civics drive and even if i put on new struts its not going to change any thing how i feel my car |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by azi90
(Post 4636370)
they dont make anymore for civic 2004 ... http://www.andysautosport.com/honda/...0shocks/tokico |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by azi90
(Post 4636387)
another mechanic that i took my car too for further inspection said the same thing .. and this time this guy is been in market for abt 20 years.. he said thats how all civics drive and even if i put on new struts its not going to change any thing how i feel my car ask any mechanical engineer if a mcph. strut and a double wishbone drives the same. obviously, that mech is very limited and generalizes more than his understanding. |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts KYB GR-2 are stiff as shit. Very uncomfortable ride trust me I had them with OEM springs. I also Have Tokico with OEM springs still stiff but not as bad as KYB-GR-2 Only OEM shocks will be smooth |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts
Originally Posted by bravo79
(Post 4636470)
KYB GR-2 are stiff as shit. Very uncomfortable ride trust me I had them with OEM springs. I also Have Tokico with OEM springs still stiff but not as bad as KYB-GR-2 Only OEM shocks will be smooth |
Re: Should i replace whole suspension or just struts the blues/kyb will be valved a little bit differently from stock. however, its not "stiff as shit" or even close. that is a very far exaggeration. ive installed blues on stock springs before and they were very soft...especially compared to my koni yellows/ground control (even on full soft) |
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