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kaivorth 08-31-2013 09:13 PM

Amplifier + New Ground Cables
 
Car: 2001 Civic EX Manual
Speaker: JL 10" Woofer
Amp: Alpine M500
Amp Kit I will be buying


Questions:
  1. Is it worth getting new terminals? If so what are some good ones, relatively cheap
  2. In the picture, 1, 2, and 3 are the locations of the current ground wire, I'm going to make these all gauge 4 wire, any issues here?
  3. In wire 1, is that supposed to connect to the bolt I circled?
  4. The Orange wire looks like it was from a previous installation...going to replace that as well with another gauge 4 wire
  5. The number 5 wire, the positive cable that runs to the battery, is it safe to upgrade this to gauge 1 or even 0? Should I leave this one alone? I have no idea what gauge it is currently.
  6. What tools do I need to crimp a connector on the end of the wires? Soldering necessary?

Is there a special procedure I should follow to not electrocute myself? I've read through the stickies...

http://i39.tinypic.com/34852ci.jpg

lowlife9 08-31-2013 09:34 PM

Re: Amplifier + New Ground Cables
 
theres no reason to not upgrade all your ground wires with 0 guage this procedure is called The Big Three search that term. and holy shit #1 is a complete hack job look here https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...t-ii-pics.html

GolNat 08-31-2013 09:41 PM

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1.) The terminals you have look fine. May want to get a better positive one so that it will fit the larger gauge cable. Similar to this:

http://www.autotoys.com/pics/thumbs/t_SPT83102.jpg

Doesn't need to be gold plated or anything fancy, just makes it easier IMO.

2.) Nope. 4 Gauge is good. Shortest distance possible.

3.) You #1 appears to be near your coil pack wires which are going where they should be.

4.) Good Idea. I would run it along the left side so you cant see it as much.

5.) Just leave it alone. No need to upgrade it since it does not effect the amp any and is already sized appropriately for the car.

6.) With the instal kit it should have a terminal on one end to connect to the battery then the other end will be just be stripped back and screwed to the amp terminal. For the ground wire it will be the same thing except you want to ground it the chassis of the car close to the amp. Less then 1 foot I believe is ideal. I used the bolt that holds the seat belt clip. Make sure to sand away any paint to get a good ground. You can buy crimpers if you would like but no need. Soldering would be for the smaller wires like for the remote turn on wire.

Just unhook the battery before beginning and you will be good. Its only 12V so it wont electrocute you but you could short circuit something or weld a cable to something if you don't disconnect the battery.

lowlife9 08-31-2013 09:51 PM

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hay gonat look closely at #1or #4 its hard to tell but his wire is loosely wrapped around the area its not even bolted down.

GolNat 08-31-2013 10:14 PM

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^ yea I couldn't tell from the pic but I think your right. It does look liked its wrapped around. That's not doing anything! Very rusted, also not good.

lowlife9 08-31-2013 10:44 PM

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and what the hell is that yellow thing going through your battery tie down the battery isn't even tied down your pic is like like looking at a where's waldo book every time i look i see something else wrong. also what happened to member gearbox that guy was so informative i miss that guy no homo.

kaivorth 08-31-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lowlife9 (Post 4647393)
theres no reason to not upgrade all your ground wires with 0 guage this procedure is called The Big Three search that term. and holy shit #1 is a complete hack job look here https://www.civicforums.com/forums/1...t-ii-pics.html

Oh jeez, I might just stick with gauge 4....well see if the budget allows for gauge 0. Gauge 0 is just huge...


Originally Posted by GolNat (Post 4647395)
1.) The terminals you have look fine. May want to get a better positive one so that it will fit the larger gauge cable. Similar to this:

http://www.autotoys.com/pics/thumbs/t_SPT83102.jpg

Doesn't need to be gold plated or anything fancy, just makes it easier IMO. What would a good crimper be for Gauge 0/4 wiring?

2.) Nope. 4 Gauge is good. Shortest distance possible.

3.) You #1 appears to be near your coil pack wires which are going where they should be.

4.) Good Idea. I would run it along the left side so you cant see it as much.

5.) Just leave it alone. No need to upgrade it since it does not effect the amp any and is already sized appropriately for the car.

6.) With the instal kit it should have a terminal on one end to connect to the battery then the other end will be just be stripped back and screwed to the amp terminal. For the ground wire it will be the same thing except you want to ground it the chassis of the car close to the amp. Less then 1 foot I believe is ideal. I used the bolt that holds the seat belt clip. Make sure to sand away any paint to get a good ground. You can buy crimpers if you would like but no need. Soldering would be for the smaller wires like for the remote turn on wire.

Just unhook the battery before beginning and you will be good. Its only 12V so it wont electrocute you but you could short circuit something or weld a cable to something if you don't disconnect the battery.

Lots of good help here! I'm looking at these for the positive terminal?

I'm just confused on how I would connect #5 cable to this? Would I have to replace the wire anyway then? I'm assuming it's a one piece deal on that terminal and wiring.


Originally Posted by lowlife9 (Post 4647397)
hay gonat look closely at #1or #4 its hard to tell but his wire is loosely wrapped around the area its not even bolted down.

Yeah I believe it is wrapped around, it looked strange....Assuming it's "supposed" to be bolted by the bolt behind that?


Originally Posted by GolNat (Post 4647400)
^ yea I couldn't tell from the pic but I think your right. It does look liked its wrapped around. That's not doing anything! Very rusted, also not good.

And this is why I'm here! Awesome responses so far!!! Making this much easier to plan out. :D

lowlife9 08-31-2013 10:57 PM

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honestly anything is better then stock gauge wire im not sure what they were thinking when they used that. if you look at the diy i gave you thats the proper location designated for that perticular ground wire not its current location.plus like golnat said the shortest distance between grounds is what you want not wraped around the battery like your current setup. and yeah platinum finnish sounds good to me even i don't have platinum finnish on my terminals im guessing bill gates has those.

kaivorth 08-31-2013 11:05 PM

Re: Amplifier + New Ground Cables
 

Originally Posted by lowlife9 (Post 4647406)
honestly anything is better then stock gauge wire im not sure what they were thinking when they used that. if you look at the diy i gave you thats the proper location designated for that perticular ground wire not its current location.

Oh wow, nice! This is perfect!!! Should I replace the bolts too for better contact?

If I got the Raptor Terminal thing I linked to my last post, would I need a new cable for the positive battery cable? I think the red plastic part is attached to the stock terminal block

lowlife9 08-31-2013 11:10 PM

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nah you just need to remove its current location and crimp on the new one but be careful not to shock yourself or fry your wiring.just be cautious.

kaivorth 09-01-2013 12:20 AM

Re: Amplifier + New Ground Cables
 

Originally Posted by lowlife9 (Post 4647411)
nah you just need to remove its current location and crimp on the new one but be careful not to shock yourself or fry your wiring.just be cautious.

You seem to be very knowledgeable in this, don't be surprised if I PM you in the next week haha

lowlife9 09-01-2013 01:35 AM

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ive been there done that my sound system is still kicking from 4 years ago..im actually starting to grow out of it.

GolNat 09-01-2013 10:23 PM

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To attach the #5 cable to the raptor terminal you posted you would just need to cut off the OE terminal from the white wire that goes to the battery. OE terminal should be similiar to this:

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/718962...y_Terminal.jpg


You can just cut the insulation back stick it in the correct size hole and tighten the Allen bolt down to hold the wire.

kaivorth 09-02-2013 07:54 PM

Re: Amplifier + New Ground Cables
 

Originally Posted by GolNat (Post 4647479)
To attach the #5 cable to the raptor terminal you posted you would just need to cut off the OE terminal from the white wire that goes to the battery. OE terminal should be similiar to this:

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/718962...y_Terminal.jpg


You can just cut the insulation back stick it in the correct size hole and tighten the Allen bolt down to hold the wire.

Oh okay that works. Any idea what gauge the stock one is? The raptor doesn't have a lot of expandable outputs. Want to make sure it has everything I need


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