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So yeah, my plan was to produce a DIY for a turbo on a D17. The problem with that is what the usual problem is. Money. If you guys appreciate the DIY's that I post and would like to see a very detailed DIY on a turbo for the D17 then please donate anything you can. I will use the money that I receive for the turbo to get the project started ASAP. This will not be a ghetto turbo DIY. It will include everything you need to boost up to your heart's content.

Anyway, I figure that I'de give this a shot. People who donate can take my turbo'de car for a test drive if I happen to meet them. First donations will go towards buying a Missing Link check valve. We'll see what happens after that.

So... If you're interested in a DIY for a turbocharger for the D17 then donate! I should have a DIY up regardless of donations, but donations will make it happen quicker.

PayPal: iopsys@hotmail.com

 
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grey man, stop wasting your time up there in MA move to hartford, youve got the skills of a true hustler! we could make some serious money! ill sell videos and cds, and you can sell these ricers on your DIYs...... im just bustin on ya. but do you really think these greedy bastards are gonna give anyone a red cent?!

 
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if i have anything left over from my 3k shopping spree ill give it to ya

 
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Well, I don't really expect anything. I guess I'm just offering people who are interested in turbocharging our cars an oppertunity to have that DIY produced ASAP. It'll go in increments too, so as soon as I have the money for something I'll post about it as I install it. Incremental Turbo DIY. Step by step, and functional car all the way through it.

 
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how much $ are we talkin here?

Edit: and what if we dont have pay pal?

 
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LOL
You're now one dollar richer.
Let's see if anyone can beat THAT!!![IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/IMG]

 
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I'll donate if you let me drive it.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/IMG]

 
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If you don't have PayPal and would like to donate then I guess you can mail me some cash. Check or money order is allright too. PM me for my address if you'de like to donate that way.

Sweet! Thanks.

Anyone who donates will be able to drive my car when I meet them. I should be around. I'll be going to the bigger meets in the future, so it's a possibility. I'll be in the passenger seat supervisin', but basically anything goes.

 
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Yeah, and when you donate a substantial sum I will take you out of the "greedy bastards" category.

 
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hey grey... check this out turbo kit...

 
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"ricers" and "greedy bastards" huh? I think I smell a chump. And why are you on this site then? [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-nono.gif[/IMG]

 
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get ahold of FlyRiceRacer he will give ya some money!!! he donated 100 to the site!!

INJEN

 
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Yeah, I saw it earlier in another thread. It's crap. Without the fuel kit it's useless. Crappy lookin' components too. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG]

 
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Gray, get me a COMPLET list together for a kit and I'll see if i can get a group buy on a turbo kit..i know a few people in the industry.....people who build NASCAR's....cant say who....till they say it's ok but ya.....I'll need the list ASAP of every nut and bolt...I'm talking intercooler and all made from scratch....these people dont mess around..

thanks

 
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I got no problem donating but I do need some information before I jus hand some money out.
What kind of a turbo are we thinking about and how much are we lookin to run up.
Im very interested in the turbo but like many people I dont wanna go too high and possibly hurt my engine (not implying that you idea is a possible threat.)
How long does installing a turbo take? I dont mean making the DIY, basically I wanna kno if you were to come to my house with all the parts how many man hours would it take for you to finish.
And if you can do it and willing to come to East IL and make me one also I'll give you mucho money.

 
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if i donate some $$$, how can i drive the TURBOcharge........ when i am in CANADA...

 
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So since I drove your car this weekend, does that mean I have to pay you now??????????


Grey, you're a smoothy!!!!!

 
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Huh? I have a rough idea of the components that I'll use listed in this thread: custom turbo parts This list will change over time though as I find better places to buy the components from. I don't have a part by part breakdown yet though. That requires me to actually start the DIY. If I had a 3D layout of the entire engine bay, then I could and would have a complete turbo kit ready in 3D now. I don't though. I would have to complete the DIY first. Then revise the list of parts as I see what could be simplified and/or improved. Anyway, I'm not quite sure what you're proposing? Would these guys that you know be able to produce a turbo manifold for the D17? I'm talking to a guy now about the flange for the manifold. I want to make the actual manifold myself.

What kind of turbo? The DIY will offer you several options. You basically have to choose which route you're going to take before starting the project. Turning up the boost after installing everything will make the system unstable. More heat will be added into the system and it won't be optimal. The turbo I will be using will be of a T3 Super 60 type size. Ideally I want one with an internal wastegate that's of an external type. It sounds stupid, but they do exist! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

Anyway, depending on the turbo you choose your optimal psi will vary. Our engines can't handle more than 10psi with the stock internals, but you can do a polish of the combustion chamber and get a better head gasket and you may be able to run a higher psi. The initial turbo will boost up to 8psi (like another member on this site). His has run for a while now on stock internals, so that's what's safe to do right now. The T3 Super 60 type turbo will be able to boost past 15psi, but optimally arund 15psi. At that pressure we'll push around 275hp. I'm aiming for close to 200hp with that 8psi though.

Once a whole part list and DIY is up the turbo kit will take relatively little time to install. Simply take off the front bumper, take off the stock airbox and filter assembly, take off the header, drain the oil and take off the oil pan, and go to work. Install all the brackets. Install the turbo manifold. Intall the turbo. Install the downpipe and connect it up to the exhaust. Install the intercooler. Hook up the turbo to the intercooler and the intercooler to the throttle body with the piping provided. Hook up the intake to the turbo and install the filter. Hook up some oil lines and tap the oil pan for the oil return line. Hook up some coolant lines. Set up the extra injectors and the FMU. Install the blow off valve. Install the boost guage and the air/fuel ratio guage. Then test and tune. That's pretty much it. I would guess that a good weekends worth of time and everything is installed. Friday night, all of Saturday, and all of Sunday. Depends on the setup though.

I might be making turbo kits, but I don't know as of yet. Right now my goal is to make a working turbo and write a complete DIY for the people of 7thgencivic.com so that it'll be easier for them to turbocharge their own car.

 
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When I asked for donations for my turbo my thread was locked[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-nono.gif[/IMG]

 
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Well, if I'm ever up in Canada for a meet or something then I'll give you a test drive.

Well, if the other mods feel that this thread is not appropriate then please feel free to lock and/or delete it.

 
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k once I get enough info, and other turbo know-it's tell me it's a good to go plan, im in!
definately want to see this happen

Bboysushi

 
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You didn't sell your idea the way Grey did. I remember that thread...

 
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I suppose the difference is grey is giving something back..... and that's step by step instructions on a DIY turbo, so anyone can make a custom kit for their car. And as he said.... REGARDLESS of donation, he is going to post up a DIY, money or not. It's just a matter of how long.

 
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Plus a promise to let you drive my car. Don't forget that!

I haven't checked my PayPal account yet, but a big, "Thank you!" to all of those who have contributed!

 
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GRey - You said that you are going to make your own manifold? Do you have any experience with welding, and what materials do plan on using for it? Is it going to be top mounted? Everything else is basically straight forward, what Fs people up is the manifold, and with ya'lls case the fuel system. Just out of curiosity how are you going to handle the fuel system? Just for the record, no I do not own a 7thgen (used to), but I am just curious to see how this will be done.

 
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1st of all for people who have nothing better to do than qoute me, make your donation to grey. second, i was referring to the people around here, meaning hartford ct. not the brightest bunch. but yes the greedy bastrads part WAS and IS ment for this site. thats just fact.

 
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Yes, I will be making my own turbo manifold. I'm going to use a flange made by this one guy who has a laser cutter. It's very precise and the holes for the bolts on the outside are bigger than the ones on the inside to not cause sheering from thermal expansion. I will weld on custom piping. I'll buy mandrel bent 304 stainless and cut it and weld it up. I've welded a lot of things a while back, but I haven't had any experience recently. I'll buy a MIG welder to do the welding though. Practice makes perfect, so I'll practice on a ton of scrap from a junk yard before I attempt to do the turbo manifold.

Equal runner length, cylinders 1 and 4 together and cylinders 2 and 3 together. I might get a twin scroll housing turbo to let the exhaust gases from each pair of banks run together until they hit the turbine for maximum efficiency. We'll see though. Price will be a factor. The runners will go up and then down and they'll merge. This will provide the best possible flow and it will allow the turbo to be mounted as high up as possible to allow for proper drainage of oil from the turbo into the oil pan since it's gravity fed.

There's one other design that I'm contemplating, but it makes the downpipe more complicated. It's a side mounted design. The runners flow sideways and the turbo is mounted more towards the passenger side of the engine (towards the battery). This allows a shorter distance and straighter piping from the turbo to the throttle body and more space to work with the turbo. It's mounted higher than the other design, so oil outflow is nice. Plus you can actually see the turbo when you open the hood. Goodie!

With the first design I would probably go with an air to air intercooler. With the second design I would probably go with an air to water intercooler. Plus the piping wouldn't be as complicated with the second design. I'll take everything into consideration. Corky Bell's book, "Maximum Boost" gave me a ton of ideas...

As for the fuel, I like RiceBurnrEX's setup. It's simple and rather cost effective. He's got the Haltech F5 and an additional injector. If you want to run a higher boost pressure in the future you could just add on another injector. Pretty k3wl. I'm still researching fuel delivery though. I want something cheap and simple. If I could just upgrade the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator then I could control fuel delivery byvarying the fuel pressure. Running high pressures isn't the best thing in the world though. Both approaches have their drawbacks. A little more time and I'll have it hammered out.

 
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Grey, get on AIM!
What kind of intercooler are you thinking of using.
Also, how big of a hole you think this will burn our wallets?
I sorta need a good rough estimate.
Im not looking for a huge set up, or even a medium one, t25 or possibly less.
Im not even going to go high than 7 psi.
If the price seems right and if the set-up seems cool with me.
I'll empty out my savings that I have been saving up for a k20
And I'll throw some money your way too.
I jus need more details on how much I will be looking to spend on parts and for you to ship it out my way (basically I would want your exact set-up or similar to it and pay you for labor and items)

 
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Aw... I tried AIM like 25 minutes after you posted but you didn't answer. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/IMG]

I don't know what kind of intercooler I'll be using yet. I think I'll use an air to water intercooler since it's more efficient at lower speeds and you can route the flexible hoses to the front air to water intercooler very easily. I may use an air to air though since it's so much simpler, but I don't have any good ideas for charge pipe routing. I do have some good ideas for intercooler design though.

The setup that I will run will cost betwean $2,000 - $2,500 just for the parts. That's everything though. Including a new clutch. This is more of a high end setup though and will be able to boost up to 15psi efficiently. That's after some internal work though. I'll try to lower the cost as much as possible though by buying only what I need and not buying something 'cause it's k3wl.

A T25 would be allright for something like 8psi. It can produce more boost, but not efficiently. That's what the HKS kit will use, but theirs will probably be slightly modified. Anyway, I don't plan on sellin' turbo kits. That's not my goal as of yet. I just plan to turbo my car and make a DIY for everyone. If it turns out that making a turbo kit is easy enough for me then I would be willing to dish them out for everyone.

We'll see though...

 
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hey grey, i'm willing to contribute in a different way...

when u set up the list, i'll get all the components myself (unless u do actually start selling the kit), and pay you to help me do it (if you're ever around IL). Maybe in the summer, on a weekend where we both would be free. Either you can come here or i can go there...