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i'm riding stock now. i bought some tokico blues and eibach pros after researching several months. it seemed that most people said this was the best ride and many claimed that it rode like stock. now i'm having second thoughts about this setup as stock is already stiff enough for the amount of driving i do. plus, recently, i've found several people that said that tokicos and eibach pros is a pretty stiff ride. i guess it's all in the opinion of the driver. what feels good to one person doesn't to the next. i'm getting ready to change my stock 12mm rear sway bar for a 19mm rsx bar. i was thinking of doing that, putting the tokico's on with the stock springs, doing a full lip kit, and running 205/55/16 wheels. the lip kit will be too low if i drop it IMO. i know lots of people have done both, but i think it's too low. i'm not a teenager anymore, so i don't want the stiff ride that used to be okay. so what's people's thoughts on all this?

 
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I'd drop it at least a little. S Techs and the pro kit are a subtle drop. I've heard of people putting aftermarket springs on stock shocks, but you may be the first to put stock springs on aftermarket shocks. with wheels, and a lip kit, the stock wheel gap is gonna look even worse. If the roads are bad enough where you live that you're worried about it being too low, maybe you should just lower it a little, and skip the lip kit???

 
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Your ride will also be better if you get some 15" rotas or something, and some good tires. the bigger the wheel, the stiffer the ride. Tho 16s won't be as bad as 17s or 18s.

 
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i wanna know the same thing, cause i plan on doing the same thing, all except the 205/55/16

 
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Word. I've got 17s and a Tein SS setup. Its stiff, but not as rough as my buddies with just Eibach springs, stock shocks, and 17s. Honestly since you've already got the parts, why not throw them on and drive it for a week to see how you like it? You're only looking at about 4 hours of work if you don't like and about 2 hours if you do. The sway bay won't effect the way she feels on bumps and potholes, but ambulance is right. More rubber=more absorption of road imperfections. If you're really worried about wheel get 80 series on a set of 17s and tell folks your car spends half its time as sand rail!

 
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no, i've read about others that have tokico blues with stock springs. the roads aren't bad at all, but i don't want to be worried about speed bumps ripping off the lip kit. i just see these lowered cars riding around that you can see the driver bouncing around because the car's so stiff. the car itself is bouncing, but it's tight like the shocks are working, not continuous bouncing like blown shocks. i've just ridden in too many lowered cars that give me a headache and i don't want that for mine. my brother in law's eclipse was lowered 1.5" and it was way too stiff for me. the cornering was awesome, but any bumps in the road were horrible. he had aftermarket shocks too. i guess basically, if it's going to be considerably worse than stock, i probably won't do it. don't know yet.

 
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It is all about perception. I have tokico blues with s-techs and my buddy was driving my car the other day (because I was a little disabled at the time) and we go over a speed-bump and he goes "Man, your car doesn't like to leave the ground" I asked him what he meant and he said "Right after that speedbump it was firmly planted again." So it doesn't bounce around excessively. I think a lot of those "bouncy" cars are 16 year old ricers who's friends told him to just cut the springs and save money. If you get good stuff (like you did) you should be happy . . .

 
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LOL....disabled.... Dead-*** wasted?

 
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lol that was my assumption!

 
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Toooooo much punch... I just put the new Tokico D-specs on my car. I forgot to adjust them haha (they come from the factory set all the way to hard?) My car DEFINITELY didn't want to leave the ground, I've never felt so many bumps before! But good stuff, those Tokico guys. I'll tune it up tonight and we'll be smooth sailing.

 
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i got tokico blues with stock springs and 14 inch wheels. rides a little better and significantly more stable than stock shocks in normal driving but big speed bumps will be stiff.

 
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I have the Progress drop springs with KYB AGX struts...if you don't like stiff and bumps stay the hell away from those two together...I love it though...just wish my back did too

 
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Haha, it was when I was just down for getting faded anywhere and everywhere and he always wanted to play it safe rather than sorry . . . I think he just wanted to drive my car every chance he got!!

 
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Why didn't you get suspension with an adjustable damper?? I find most people post that tockico blues have a good ride, but then I read another thread where people said the ride was stiff. I think people with tokico blues, just talk a lot of crap. First they say the ride is great, then they say its stiff. I've read comments from the same members, that say they give a good ride, and on another thread they say it gives a stiff ride.

Hypocrites if you ask me.

I have Tokico D-specs, and I prefer the stiff ride. I do have them set pretty stiff, but I like them that way. However, I've ridden on them on the softest setting, and they pretty smooth, but it bounces the car around more. With the firm setting, it doesn't really bounce around, but the bumps you hit are more harsh.

I dunno why you bought tokico blues, if you wanted a soft ride. You should have bought D-specs, or Koni Yellows.

 
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i didn't want to spend $600 on shocks that i didn't know if i'd like. the koni yellows, the tokico d-specs, and the kyb agx are all $600 a set. i got the blues brand new for $300 shipped. it was a great deal i didn't want to pass up, but i still had a hard time spending the money on that cause i wasn't sure if i'd like the results. i guess either way, i can use the blues with the eibachs or the stock springs. i'm at 80,000 on original struts now, so it's probably time for new ones. we're at 170,000 on my wife's original struts on her RX300!

 
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I bought new eibach prokit for $150 and new tokico blues for $325 both from ebay. My buddy from 8thgencivic put them on for me as I watched. PERFECT ride in my opinion. Lowered the car just enough to get rid of some of the stock wheel gap and stiff'n the ride just right. Car feels so much mor flick-able. I'm still on Si wheels and 195/60/15's. You can't go wrong with this set up IMO

 
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i'll probably give it a shot. if i don't like it i'll just have some tokico blues, eibach pros and an SPC camber kit for sale!

 
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LOL! My wife bitches everytime I get some new go-fast part for my civic. I keep telling her, "Baby. You drive a Chevy Blazer. Its not worth it. Wait till you get your new Acura". Gots to keep momma happy man!

 
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Here is my two cents.

I did not have the patience to read all the postings on this thread I'm sure there are a lot of valid points.

I have only lowered two cars in the past and I am preparing to lower my civic when I get the money.

I have learned from my past cars that you simply cannot lower a car without giving up rid comfort, you just can't do it!

A stiffer ride is the price you pay for style and performance.

A larger profile tire will help a bit but not completely when you drop it.
Do not use performance springs on stock shocks its the worst setup ever.
Do use a progressive rate spring.
Do not go overboard on rim and tire setup ex.. 19' on 30 series

When I do drop my car it will be with a coil-over set up with adjustable dapening, this way I will have a lot more flexibilty on the ride comfort and looks (wheel gap).

Yes I'm willing to pay the price^^^^are you?

 
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not for coilovers, hell no. it was hard enought to spend $400 for a set of springs and tokicos. just not that imortant to me to drop a grand on shocks and springs.

 
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Yes that is a hell of a lot of money but worth it IMO considering people spend that on rim and tire sets.

I think you might be looking for the holy grail of suspension set up.
You might be asking to much.
All I can say is it might take some trail and error until you come up with something you like.

Any way man good luck with your quest

 
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Yeah, I'm glad the Tein SS setup was on my car when I bought it. I would have a hard time dropping close to 1500 clams on it. Now $1500 on the new D17 K-pro? That's a different story.

 
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i'm not looking for the holy grail, just honest answers. some people say tokico blues ride good, others say they're stiff. i'm going to try the setup and see what it's like. it seems like the general concensus is that the blues with eibach pros is the most conservative setup for drops and increasing performance. if i don't like it, i'll go back to stock and live with it till i can buy a better car. my rims and tires are only going to be about $600 since i got my 16" rims for $100 shipped.

 
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i guess it's all in the opinion of the driver. what feels good to one person doesn't to the next.

This is why opinions are like *******s every one has one.

 
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Ah, but thank god there is only one Murdock!

 
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Why bother dropping them on eibach pro kit?? It doesn't really drop it much. It almost looks like stock with the eibach pro kit. I swear, all 7thgens on eibach pro kits look stock. I can't really tell the difference, unless its a side by side comparison, or if I really look at it for a while. However, when you just glance at 7thgens with the pro kits on them, they look stock. I think you should just save up for a better car, like you said.

If your not going to do it right the first time, don't do it at all. Save your cash, buy a better car.

 
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i like the look of subtle drops better than big drops. cars with 1 finger gap or that tuck under the fender look dumb and rice to me. that's why i went with the eibach prokit.

 
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I've got the Pro Kit and you're right, it is close to stock. The reason some people may choose this is so that they have stiffer spring rates while keeping some gap to retain safety. If you think about it, as a daily driver you're going to end up hitting pot-holes, speed bumps, and other dangerous trash on the freeway. Having the extra space for travel if you hit some kind of unforseen bump will help prevent major bottoming-out and tire-rubbing which can have negative consequences if you're going 65-80mph on the freeway.

I think a car lowered 2" would do wonders for better handling, but the roads we drive on everyday is not a circuit. And those people who do treat it like the Le Mans end up causing accidents.

Another thing, if you're that concerned with the way your car looks then you've really bought into the whole aftermarket advertisement campaigning. You gotta take it back to the roots kiddo... performance parts were meant to increase performance, not increase your appeal to everyone else on the road.

 
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Who says lowering springs are only for the performance side of things?? I would say more people lower their cars for looks if anything.

I don't know about you, but I modify my car to look better. I don't take it to the track, and I don't race it. Because if I did want to do those things, I would've bought a faster car. So you modified your car with D-specs and the pro kit, because you were looking for the extra performance??

I don't know anyone personally that said they lowered their ride because of the performance. I'm not saying it doesn't, but most do it for looks.