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Hey Everyone,

I using the Dezod manifold know and the flange on it is for the 38mm wastegate.
Both Tial and Turbosmart are flanged the exact same way and will fit on the manifold. WHICH DO YOU ALL IS THE BEST WAY TO GO???

 
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tial

 
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tial

 
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TIAL......

 
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Tial ftw

 
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I know this forum is supposed to help people figure stuff out but lately it seems like a handfull of people need their hands held to do everything. Turbo setups tend to have a steep learning curve. A little more thought and just plain being around moddified cars in general would answer most of these stupid questions. Next we are going to get, "what kind of bolts are better" hehe. I mean, ST8RACE doesnt even know about fuel pressure settings and he's giving this other kid advice about wastegates??? No offence but it takes a lot more experience than bolting on a turbo kit to be a hero.

 
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LMAO^ aggravating, isn't it? I've noticed that **** for a long *** time, too. You get the injectors, Gery?

 
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i like my tial WG, it's my first external wastegate, i have no idea what the turbosmart version is like. i got the tial because of it's popularity and had found a really good deal on one at the time. So far it has treated me well.

 
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yeah I got em Andy. Oh and for the record, I have had zero issues with my Tial 38 or the bolts that hold it on.

 
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Well, I am 99% positive the Turbosmart WG shares the same flange, but I am partial to TiAL.

 
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I don't have either. Nor do I have a turbo (wish I did) anywho, I know for a fact that they are both reputable companies, reading many an article on their production. If you're boost settings fall within the parameters of both wastegates, then it doesn't matter which you choose. However, Lets say that one day you might want to turn up the boost, make sure you buy a wastegate that can handle it. Or else you would just have to buy a new one. Know what I mean? I would get the TiAl, just because it's proven to work with most of our setups.

 
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I don't have any idea what you're talking about.... Falls within the parameters? What are you trying to say? That with x amount of boost, a certain wastegate is better? I'm running 21 psi on a 35 mm gate. That's the smallest one out there, so again, wtf are you talking about?

 
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^^ owned. lol dont challenge andyman in turbo talk. he will rhomp you. lol

 
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I'm not challenging anyone. I'm trying to explicate the fact that any boosted engine's wastegate needs to be able to stay closed properly until full boost is achieved. If the engine's boost settings falls within the capabilities of both wastegates then it doesn't matter which wastegate the orignal poster purchases. UNLESS of course, he wants to turn up the boost in the future lets say for example, to 25 psi, and wastegate (a) A will only stay shut to 20psi, and wastegate (b) will stay shut to 30 psi; then the person making the purchase should buy the wategate that will allow him to boost at his current settings now as well as later on. Consequently if one tries to achieve boost that is greater then whatever wastegate they are using, they'll never reach maxium boost because the wastegate will leak/open too soon. With all due respect were taking about pressure greater then that of the common turbocharged D17 block, so in my eyes there really is no issuse.
Getting back to the original thread.....From my own personal research on both of these manufacturers, I think that you'll be jolly with either one.

 
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Ok then genius, how much boost will a 35mm wastegate hold? 38mm? 40mm? 44mm?

You really need to stop posting **** you don't understand. It isn't about the diameter of the wastegate's inlet, it's all about the pressure rating of the spring inside of the wastegate and the boost control method. Do a little research to avoid looking stupid in the future, thanks.

 
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I find it amusing that you instantanously decide that I know nothing about wastegates or furthermore, turbochargers. Please re-read my second post in this thread (Post #14) You'll find that no where in my post did I say anything about there being a correlation between wastegate inlet size and sustainable pressure. The simplest way I can write what I'm trying to tell Jwasiliw is based on my own research for these manufacturers, you will be good purchasing either wastegate Unless your (Jwasiliw's) boost settings require you to purchase a specific wastegate.

Oh and Andyman97, both you and I know there are a lot of jackasses floating around the internet that don't know what their talking about. Please don't accuse me of being one of them. I know what I'm talking about. If you don't want to believe that, then that's your choice.

 
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BAM, right there. That's exactly what you're saying. Apparently the research you've done was wrong. Don't say something as fact unless you know.

 
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Thank you Emeril for pointing out exactly nothing within my post.

At this point I'm just going to assume that we're talking about two different things. Because obviously you think I'm trying to tell this guy that if he turns up the boost he's going to need a larger size inlet, that's not what I'm saying nor was that at all what I was trying to say in my previous two posts. I suppose my cadence was difficult to understand. The phrase you quoted me on has nothing to do with wastegate size. If you read the part that you copied and pasted you'll see that I said "make sure you buy a wastegate that can handle it." At that moment in the sentence I am strictly referring to holding capacity, NOT inlet size. I'm done with this post because there's no point in debating wastegates. The fact of the matter is that if you have a turbo, you need a wastegate. If it fits, good. If not, get another.

 
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LMAO, way to recant. You just need to understand what you're talking about before you open your mouth next time, moron.

 
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I didn't "Recant" what I said. Is it not true that we are talking about two different things? YOU think that I said that you need a bigger inlet size if you have more boost. That is not true. NO WHERE in ANY of my posts did I say anything EVEN similar to that. I don't know why you're making such a big deal about this post, because it's your own mis-understanding. Additionally I think that calling me a moron is immature. Seriously like what does it accomplish? Besides inflate your ego, we already know it does that. Does it make you feel better about yourself when you put another person down? Does it make you feel like you've won a textual battle of digital warfare? I'd like to know, seriously I just want to know what goes through peoples minds on this board when then exclaim iniquitous phrases to another member as though they would somehow bring light to matter at hand in an unusually ironic way. See, in my own personal opinion, people like you are the ones that need to be reprimanded for their incoherent, in their eyes so called veracites of the nature of the aftermarket modification industry. Well I guess I'm still yet to be impressed by the behavior of those that cloak themselves in the anonymity of which we so commonly refer to as the internet. I don't blame you, seriously; it's easy to think you're the most intelligent person out there when there are a lot of unexpirenced people out there. It's strange, even with all of the readily available information on the internet, people come to a forum like this to seek out the answers to their questions. Why is that? I think that people come to places like this to access their information with a human exchange The original poster, which in this case who knows if they are, probably no longer even paying any attention posted in this forum looking for an answer, calling them or anyone that participates within the post, an insult would completly defeat the purpose of the venture. I could sit here and type all about everything wrong about the internet, or weather or not a member should be treated with respect, but I'm not going to. Because there's a age old saying that we should all take into consideration: Treat people the way that you want to be treated.

If anyone would like to learn more about wastegates please read more below!

You can find technical files for TiAl equipment at the following link:
http://www.tialsport.com/techincal.htm

You can also find a frequently asked questions section and technical tips at the turbosmart website here:
http://www.turbosmart.com.au/index.php?s=faq

You can read a textual version of "How a wastegate works" at the Turbobygarret website:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob.../faqs.html#t10

Here is a simple drawing and explaination of wastegates at a website called montuning.com:
http://www.montuning.com/articles/10.php

And lastly, the following link is a very detailed explanation of how to install a turbocharger system onto an older civic:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1263795

 
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man, it's just a wastegate.. lol, you guys took this FAR..