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I see that Dezod sells the emanage and something called the PCS? For a mild setup which of these systems is the best? I tried to search on the PCS and didn't find much about it.

On the fuel system, can you get away with boosting using the4 non return system or is it best to just add a pump and run a return line?

Also for a turbo, I have a few of the ford thunderbird t3's I think I have both sized turbines (48 and 63a/r) One of these turbos should be more than enough for a d17..right?

I'm trying to boost this car for as little as possible. The goal is under $1000 for everything, but I already have a 255 inline pump, and the turbo.

The manifold I am making myself so I don;t even count it. It has a few bucks in it but more time than anything. I should have it finished later tonight I will post some pictures in the thread later.

Picss should work now





Going to use one of the cheap $80 china intercoolers off ebay.

Piping will all be painted steel so it will be cheap.

And probably a ebay clutch

About the only expensive part will be the managment, just have to figure out which one I need. I'm wanting somewhere in the 200hp at the wheels. Is this doable?

Please don't lock this thread, I did search and am serious about doing this.

Thanks
Randy

Btw, I use to be registered on here under another name, but forgot what it was and changed providers so email is different. But I talked to somebody on here about a turbo manifold. If you are that person and you read this please send me a message.

 
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I wouldn't recommend a cheap ebay clutch, it probably wouldn't be a good idea. If you aren't going to break 200 whp, you can get away with the stock clutch for a bit, I'd hold off on that until it starts slipping.

You'll need a blow off valve, can find cheap on ebay, also, depending on the turbo you go with, you'll also need a wastegate.

As far as fuel management, if you're looking to go cheap, the emanage and rsx injectors will work. From what Paul's told me, the PCS seems to be a pretty decent piggyback with the way it corrects for larger injectors. Now, injectors are going to be your biggest obstacle, getting them to fit. Apparently, you know something about fabrication if you're making your own manifold, you can pick up a d16y8 intake manifold and minor modification will get it on your head. You will need to relocate a few things but nothing too big. You may possibly be able to pull 200 whp out of rsx type s injectors but I'm not sure, I would personally go with 440's. Hell, you can try it and see if it works.....

As far as a turbine goes, a .48 ar will make 200 whp easy, depending on the turbo specs. If that's your goal, an easy solution would be a t3 super 60 which has an internal wastegate so you won't have to worry about picking up an external one.

Oh, and I made 255 whp with no return line whatsoever, 255 lph walbro pump and 550's. Also, on stock fuel pressure regulator.

 
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I am using the PCS system. I am the only person here on the site that has it. it by far bypasses the emange system. For what you get it is worth the extra bucks. If you have question about the PCS sytem i can answer them.

 
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I agree go with andy about the clutch go with something known for, not eBay. A return line only allows you the ability to turn up the fuel pressure. Its not necessarily needed but it helps later on down the road when you need extra fuel pressure without having to buy and extra set of fuel injectors.

for 200 whp emanage and rsx injectors will be fine. many other members have hit that mark with just that and less with a t3 super 60 @ 10-/+ psi.

have you fabbed any manifolds before? i'd like to see your work. good luck

 
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an in line pump won't help, change the one in the tank like Andy has....

 
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So far I have spent $1,200 on my turbo build, but I still don't have a turbo, the intercooler piping, or fuel managment. I bought my mani and dp from dezod, which is where most of my money went. The turbo, mani, and the DP cost the most, and if you already have the turbo and you are makeing the DP and MANI you could definitely put a turbo kit togethor for under $1000.

 
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Thanks for all the info, this is not my first turbo car, but it is my first turbo honda. Here are some pics of the manifold I made today, I will get some of it out of the car tomorrow.
I will take the advice on the clutch and pick up something decent.
Probably give Dezod an email about the PCS setup later tonight.

I have made a few manifolds, mostly old toyota stuff and a few honda ones.

On to the pictures

Well I can't post pictures till I hit 15 post but it turned out pretty darn nice for a first try at a d17. If anybody wants to see them I could maybe PM you the links and you could post them for me?

Later
Randy

 
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The PCS-XFC you can get the fuel system comes with a 255 inline pump and all the fittings you need.

 
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if you can build a complete turbo system for $1000 i want to see it, I've spent over $1000 on my fuel system a lone. But then I havent had a single problem since i finished it last year.

 
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I seen that, that s why I mentioned I have an extra walbro 255 inline pump laying aorund. I couls just weld a an fitting on the fuel rail and run a return line. Pretty much the same setup as that but already paid for

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Randy


Your web page just helped a ton, plus it reminded me that I have one of those aeromotive -6 regultors laying around here that isn't big enough for my other project
How do you like the emanage? I've read darn near every thread on here about it. Do your timing correction stick or does the stock ecu start working around them? It looks to be the way to go unless you want to spend lots of money..which I don't as this is just the family cruiser. But I did spy a couple d17's at the local u-pull so I'm not real worried if I pop one or two. lol

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Randy

 
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since i finished all of my tunning i've had a handfull of CEL's but it runs basically flawless. As for the ECM changing the timing around what e-manage has i havent bothered to test it or even noticed any detonation at all. I do run a Wideband to keep a close eye on AFR. I also fairly regular check the plugs to see how its running. And so far no issues (crosses fingers ) Next year may do a swap and open another bag of worms

 
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That is good to know, now just to find a cheap emanage.

Just a few more post till I can get some pictures up.
I'm trying not to be a post *****. lol

Later
Randy

Pics added to first post

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manifold looks nice from what i can see. Looks like it may have been a tight fit getting it in there? What about the down pipe, kind of hard to see but it looks like its pointed back at the block sort of.

 
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DAMN!!! That manifold looks hot. Looks like you know what your doing, you should have no problems with your kit. If you want to run E-Manage, you might be able to find one on HONDAMARKETPLACE.com for like $300-$400 (used). LOL I also got a no name intercooler for $80 from a friend of mine. Looks like your running a internal WG, so you don't need to worry about that. I got a Greddy Type R BOV for $170 brand new.

$1000 dollars for your turbo kit seems VERY VERY possible

 
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nice manifold dude. Looks good. Internal WG I imagine?

 
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that manifold looks great man...do you know which turbo your gonna run yet? you built the mani in a day?

 
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For the wastegate it kinda depends. I have a couple stock ford flapper elbows that I can modifiy to point the correct direction. This would keep it nice and clean looking.
But if need be I will just add an external, I would probbaly wait till I have the downpipe done to do it anyways so I can see if there is enough room to snake a pipe down from the wasteagte or if I needed to tie it back into the downpipe.


In the picture I have a t3 60/48 mounted to the manifold and mre than likely this is the turbo I am going to use. I did leave some room around it for some thing slightly larger. Hopefully it would fit a hybrid okay, the only other turbos I have to test fit with are much larger.

Later
Randy

 
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I wish I could go turbo for 1,000$ looks nice man!

 
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Very nice manifold. Keep us updated

 
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I bet it will be tight to go bigger, I doubt my turbo would fit in there, hehe. Hench the reason I went the route I did. That turbo pictured would be great for a fast street car. Spool up with the EL mani will be super quick. I know of a fella who made almost 300 whp on one of those turbos with an LS setup without getting carried away with the boost.

 
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I've had a few emails of people wanting pics of my manifold, so I snapped a few pics tonight. Istill need to weld the inside of the collector and the flange on. But I'm waiting till I get a larger turbo to make sure it will clear with a hybrid as the only turbos I have laying around are way to big
I'm going to pick up a spare long block and go ahead and build one this winter rather than even messing with boosting a stock motor. I really wish the swapping a d16 thread would not have gotten locked as quick as it did. That has crossed my mind quite a few times. The z6 is a darn fine motor and the head is much better than a d17 head. Plus you can pick them up sleeved and built already for cheap. But ow well..now this thread will probably get locked also. lol

But anyways, since it is going to be a while before I get everything else done, this manifold might hit the forsale section here soon to help fund sleeves.






Later
Randy

 
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Theres a member on here named supermex that also sleeved his block. I would try getting ahold of him and talk to him about his setup.

 
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thats a nice *** mani. way better then dezod's.

and btw, if you decide to sell that mani, i have the money in hand right now and will pay you. let me know.

 
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I have talked to Michalo187 who sleeved his block and I was amazed at how cheap it was. Hopefully by the time I am ready there will be cheaper options for the rods and pistons. I really don;t want to have a $2000 motor that the wife uses to haul the kids around with. lol

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Randy

 
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randy that manifold looks sweet. I see a bright future ahead of you hahahaha. Keep up the good work