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Help me complete the equation..
So right now I have my Garrett T3, manifold, wastegate, emanage, injectors (blue tops), intercooler, gauges,boost gauge, fuel regulator, and oil line to my pan.
From what I know I still need my charge piping, BOV, resistor box for the injectors, and either a M/L or voltage clamp.
I really wanted the plug and play emanage harness from Dezod but I'm sure I can wire it myself.
My emanage only has the wiring that came with it so I still need the support tools disc and cable as well as any harness that you may think I need (ie ignition perhaps?)
Can anyone also explain how the voltage clamp is installed? Is it an actual unit that I purchase?
From what I know I still need my charge piping, BOV, resistor box for the injectors, and either a M/L or voltage clamp.
I really wanted the plug and play emanage harness from Dezod but I'm sure I can wire it myself.
My emanage only has the wiring that came with it so I still need the support tools disc and cable as well as any harness that you may think I need (ie ignition perhaps?)
Can anyone also explain how the voltage clamp is installed? Is it an actual unit that I purchase?
my brother (owns honda performance store) called greddy themselves and asked for what i shoudl get for my car (somewhat same setup as you, turbo with new injectors and emanage, they suggested all the harnesses (ign. inj.) and the pressure sensor with that harness also, they said that you cant really tune to full capacity with the switches on the emanage so support tool is a good idea.
voltage clamp i got no clue what it is for.
voltage clamp i got no clue what it is for.
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Originally Posted by Rufus
So right now I have my Garrett T3, manifold, wastegate, emanage, injectors (blue tops), intercooler, gauges,boost gauge, fuel regulator, and oil line to my pan.
From what I know I still need my charge piping, BOV, resistor box for the injectors, and either a M/L or voltage clamp.
I really wanted the plug and play emanage harness from Dezod but I'm sure I can wire it myself.
My emanage only has the wiring that came with it so I still need the support tools disc and cable as well as any harness that you may think I need (ie ignition perhaps?)
Can anyone also explain how the voltage clamp is installed? Is it an actual unit that I purchase?
From what I know I still need my charge piping, BOV, resistor box for the injectors, and either a M/L or voltage clamp.
I really wanted the plug and play emanage harness from Dezod but I'm sure I can wire it myself.
My emanage only has the wiring that came with it so I still need the support tools disc and cable as well as any harness that you may think I need (ie ignition perhaps?)
Can anyone also explain how the voltage clamp is installed? Is it an actual unit that I purchase?
As far as other e-manage perks and such, I'd recommend the pressure sensor and harness too. Makes tuning even easier. It is a 3 bar map sensor that allows the e-manage to be tuned off boost, as apposed to throttle position.
Here is an E-Manage FAQ we wrote sometime ago.
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=186443
The voltage clamp, quite simply, is a feature within the e-manage that allows the ECU not see past a certain voltage (i.e-when the system goes into positive manifold pressure).
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I think the voltage clamp is something similar to MAP black box that comes with TSI kit. I think you will have to splice the clamp's wires to MAP wires....
I'have heard that voltage clamp it a little more complicated to tune then with missing link.
If the v.clamp is extra to pay for, then definately go with M/L, its way simpler and no electronics to worry about, also looks much cleaner under the hood.
I got my M/L from Dezod.
I'have heard that voltage clamp it a little more complicated to tune then with missing link.
If the v.clamp is extra to pay for, then definately go with M/L, its way simpler and no electronics to worry about, also looks much cleaner under the hood.
I got my M/L from Dezod.
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Originally Posted by dezod
The injector and ignition harnesses would be needed for injector pulsation, duration and/or duty cycle changes. The ignition is required to control timing on the combustion process. This is essential when boosting.
As far as other e-manage perks and such, I'd recommend the pressure sensor and harness too. Makes tuning even easier. It is a 3 bar map sensor that allows the e-manage to be tuned off boost, as apposed to throttle position.
Here is an E-Manage FAQ we wrote sometime ago.
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=186443
The voltage clamp, quite simply, is a feature within the e-manage that allows the ECU not see past a certain voltage (i.e-when the system goes into positive manifold pressure).
As far as other e-manage perks and such, I'd recommend the pressure sensor and harness too. Makes tuning even easier. It is a 3 bar map sensor that allows the e-manage to be tuned off boost, as apposed to throttle position.
Here is an E-Manage FAQ we wrote sometime ago.
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=186443
The voltage clamp, quite simply, is a feature within the e-manage that allows the ECU not see past a certain voltage (i.e-when the system goes into positive manifold pressure).
We must of strar responding to your request at the same time, but dezod finished typing faster...
....so here you go. Yep, all it does is change the voltage when your car goes into boost so the ecu doesn't see it.
Look at it this way. Your car should never run positive pressure in the manifold. When you put a turbocharger on, it forces pressurized air into the intake. The map sensor sees this and causes the ecu to go crazy. So what you have to do is fool the ecu so it doesn't see that extra pressure and there are a few different ways to achieve this.
The voltage clamp is built into th emanage. The wire coming off of the map sensor is cut, one end goes into the emanage and the other end goes from the emanage to the ecu, then you set the emanage to a certain voltage and it changes the signal going into the ecu so that it doesn't see boost.
The missing link just goes between the manifold and map sensor and it bleeds the positive air out through a valve so the map sensor doesn't see any positive pressure.
Look at it this way. Your car should never run positive pressure in the manifold. When you put a turbocharger on, it forces pressurized air into the intake. The map sensor sees this and causes the ecu to go crazy. So what you have to do is fool the ecu so it doesn't see that extra pressure and there are a few different ways to achieve this.
The voltage clamp is built into th emanage. The wire coming off of the map sensor is cut, one end goes into the emanage and the other end goes from the emanage to the ecu, then you set the emanage to a certain voltage and it changes the signal going into the ecu so that it doesn't see boost.
The missing link just goes between the manifold and map sensor and it bleeds the positive air out through a valve so the map sensor doesn't see any positive pressure.
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ahhhhh ok. One controls electrical voltage while the other essential works like a blow off valve releasing any undesired pressure from entering the system (in this case the map sensor) So let me ask this: why do some people claim it to be more difficult to tune with one versus the other?
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It just sounds like buying the m/l if you ALREADY HAVE the emanage is pointless as you can opt for the clamp. The real question is what easier to tune with?
If you have the tsi black box, it essentially does the same thing as the ml/voltage clamp.
As far as tuning, there isn't any real tuning required for either. If you use the ml, you just put it on and go. If you use the emanage, you just set the airflow to 2.95 across the board and that's it. If you run the emanage, your tuner can set that up for you, no problem.
As far as tuning, there isn't any real tuning required for either. If you use the ml, you just put it on and go. If you use the emanage, you just set the airflow to 2.95 across the board and that's it. If you run the emanage, your tuner can set that up for you, no problem.
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Originally Posted by andyman97
If you have the tsi black box, it essentially does the same thing as the ml/voltage clamp.
As far as tuning, there isn't any real tuning required for either. If you use the ml, you just put it on and go. If you use the emanage, you just set the airflow to 2.95 across the board and that's it. If you run the emanage, your tuner can set that up for you, no problem.
As far as tuning, there isn't any real tuning required for either. If you use the ml, you just put it on and go. If you use the emanage, you just set the airflow to 2.95 across the board and that's it. If you run the emanage, your tuner can set that up for you, no problem.
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I will have peiced this entire turbo together for under $600. Talk about right time/right place. So Dezod, I'm pretty mechanically and electrically inclined, are you say that wiring this thing without the plug and play harness should be fairly easy?
Does anyone know the method for wiring resistors for the injectors instead of the crx resistor box?
Does anyone know the method for wiring resistors for the injectors instead of the crx resistor box?
Are you running saturated or peak and hold. And what size injectors? If they are saturated, you don't need resistors, if they are peak and hold, any resistor box should do.
There are several writeups on emanage wiring, just look in the turbo faq.
There are several writeups on emanage wiring, just look in the turbo faq.
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I picked up some DSM "Blue Tops" 450CC. I actually just tried to fit them onto a spare fuel rail. It looks like some new seals and extending those studs for the fuel rail are in order. lol Luckily I had a wiring harness for those injectors. The plugs have the metal clips on them as well. So pretty lol
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Originally Posted by Rufus
I guess I'll have to find another member on here who's tried it....
With a stock d17 manifold and fuel rail it isn't possible. The rail will not extend out that far, it rests against the throttle position sensor. I am currently running 440's but I have a d16y8 intake manifold. It takes some custom work to get that size injector to fit. I would recommend going with rsx injectors until you can figure out how to fit anything bigger.
Originally Posted by 03-Acura-1.7-EL
I think missing link should be the best, no tuning needed what so ever!
Ask Dezod for more info.
Ask Dezod for more info.
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Originally Posted by ritalin
The missing link is just a shortcut. To find missing links and fpr's go here----------->


Why do I not get that? lol




