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Two encounters today.

First I had an EVO behind me in traffic for a while. One time he got behind me, and I accelerated, but he didn't do much, so I figured he wasn't game.

Then we got stopped at a light where he was behind me. Once the light turned green, I just floored it, and he did the same. I kept going, slowly pulling away from him, and by the time I hit 80 I had pulled a couple cars at most. (2 maybe?)

I then slowed down, made a turn onto another side road, and he followed. This back road had some hard curves, and so I came into the first corner hot. I started braking, downshifted, and powered through. He tried keeping up, however, as we hit a few more curves, it was apparent he was struggling to stick with me. Once again, I found myself pulling away from him.

After that he turned off at the next stop sign.

Then later, on the freeway, I had a mustang GT with tinted windows that kept blocking me off from getting ahead of him in the left lane. Eventually, traffic cleared and I made an attempt to go by him doing about 75 in the middle lane.

As I got closer he started to speed up to match my speed, so I downshifted to 5th. He then downshifted as I got next to him, and I shifted to 4th. At that, we both floored it about the same time. By 115mph he gave up as I was still pulling on him. I had about 2 cars on him at that time. (not bad for having the top down. )

 
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Nice...

 
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makes me want an s2000 even more.

 
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The difference is not in the cars its in the drivers. An evo is a quicker car all the way around, just apparently s2000man, has a turbo mode like Knight Rider did, lol. jk, I am just saying he outdrove them.

 
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nice kill isn't this the second time that an EVO could hang through the corners with you? i remember you saying something when you were at an s2000 meet. nice driving.

 
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basically right

 
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no actually. my car is faster than an EVO from a roll. but i'm also not stock.

and the S2000 in stock form outhandles the EVO given equal drivers. hence the reason the S2000 and vette are dominating A-stock, and the EVO is not.

 
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read above.

 
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first thing newer vetts race SS not A stock. Second the S2k DOES NOT dominate A stock, infact from what I have seen they are not that great on autoX courses. A EVO given equal drivers will run better times hands down. hell I run better times than most S2ks or A Stock cars for that matter. Those cars just are not nearly as good on tight tracks unless there is an exceptional driver behind the wheel.

Look at the times below and see how the S2ks made out. Compare that to some times that I ran (Brent Goetz under street touring) and I did not win my class. Look at times of other EVOs. Not knocking the S2k, but unless it is a real track and not autox they are not to great.

http://www.nworscca.com/modules/even...005_e2_web.htm
http://www.nworscca.com/modules/even...005_e4_web.htm

 
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Not trying to be an *** S2k I just don't think that you should use that as an argument

 
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no **** sherlock. the C4 vette is the one that runs A-stock. Point out where I ever said new vettes run A-stock.
this has to be the most uneducated statement I have ever seen come out of your mouth. First off, my sentence was in reference to the fact that the S2000's are giving the Vettes that dominate A-stock a run for their money. Which is true. Even zzyzx has stated that, so if you have issue with that statement, feel free to try and convince me you know more about auto-x than he does.

On top of that, sorry the EVO is slower around auto-x tracks than the S2000. What's ironic, is you say the S2000 isn't good on small tight courses, when that is actually what it excels at. And in reality it's the EVO that is bad at small tight courses.

And no one cares what you run locally at your events. Your personal experience means jack ****. Show me you beating S2000's at championship national events and then you can talk.

right, local results mean nothing.

 
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Here. these are the first few results that popped up on a google search for championship results and regionals.

http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...ound12.html#as

http://www.sfrscca.com/solo2/Results...ound11.html#as

http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results...round5.html#as

http://www.houscca.com/solo2/results05/05REG08R.TXT

those first 4 here are regional results, however, they don't have a lot of participants in A-stock so it isn't that definitive. so:

a national event. notice you have to go to 12th place before you even get to an STi and 24th place for the first EVO. meanwhile, S2000's porsche 993's and vettes dominate the top 10.
http://ww2.scca.com/soloresults.php?ID=13

 
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You never said that they didn't!!! you said "vett" like all vetts run A-stock when infact the majority do not. Second When you look at the national results yes the S2k may do well, but it is driven by an above average driver (remember we are talking average drivers ) Given AVERAGE drivers the EVO most times will do better on a tighter track the S2k has to much top end and requires perfect cornering to keep the car in the right rpms. Second I did not post the times to show what I can do against a S2k I posted them to show what other cars and I can do given AVERAGE DRIVER (wait is there some sort of theme here, could it be AVERAGE DRIVER not pros who live behind the wheel. And no **** nationals are more dificult I have driven with guys that have placed in the nationals (one with an EVO) and they are not super human there is just a greater majority of good drivers on the national level. Don't be fvcking rude to me I was in no way rude to you I am just trying to rid you of this idea that the S2k is the king of the world and enlighten you to a new idea that there are other cars out there.

 
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Let me put it this way there is likley not another mid priced that I would rather have than an S2k once I get finacially stable, but I would not say that it out handles a EVO there are just way to many variables to make that statment. And stock for stock the EVO will win all day hands down. Now maybe with you mods you can hang I am not doubting that.

 
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when I said "the vettes that dominate A-stock", that is a reference to the fact that C4 vettes run in A-stock and have dominated it for several years. i figured that someone who knows about auto-x would know the C4 is the vette I was referring to.

and when did our discussion ever draw the rule that it was only regarding "average" drivers? that argument makes no sense. why do we have to compare mediocre drivers of cars when discussing the limits of their performance?
given equal drivers (so "average" in both cars) what data do you have to quantify the statement that the EVO will do better on a tight track than the S2k? are we just making this up as we go? the EVO is really not any easier to drive at its limits than the S2000.

again with the 'average' driver argument? what data do you have to say those drivers are not BAD drivers or newbies? considering your lightly modified civic beat them, it's a pretty good argument they are probably worse than "average".

I can throw a yugo around an auto-x track faster than my mom can drive my S2000, but what relevance does that have here? Nothing.

I said given equal drivers, the S2000>EVO, which is true. If a good driver in an S2000 beats a good driver in an EVO, what magic do you think happens that makes the average EVO beat the average S2000? Or for that matter, what do we define as average? See the point, you're arguing about something that neither of us can quantify. Hence the reason the ONLY relevance here is what the car's full capabilities are with good drivers.

YOU were the one who said "blah blah blah S2000's aren't anything special around an auto-x track and i beat them at my last SCCA even and blah blah blah". So when I point out the fact that you're just flat out wrong, you get all pissy.

And where did I ever say the S2000 is king of the world? Or when did I ever say there are not other cars out there that are better? Don't make up crap just to argue. Stick to the topic.

 
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stock for stock the EVO wins in a straight line. not around a road course. and yes, it does outhandle the EVO. that's reality.

 
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here you even say C5 so do you you really know what you are talking about?

 
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BTW 1st and third events I beat them and so did alot of other cars and those guys were what I would call average drivers. I posted a local event becuase I realize that it is a bit different when you get to the national level and I also relize that most drivers are average and could relate to average time comparissons

 
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Look I never was trying to argue with you. I took it as you meant newer corvetts from your previous statment. So I was correcting you in a similar manner that you would have done to me. Just having some fun. So I am done arguing

 
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typo not even in this thread.

 
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if your lightly modded civic beat an S2000 around an auto-x track, then they were not "average" drivers. they were poor drivers.

 
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national events in which evo beats out S2k
http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/Fil...ur-phoenix.pdf
S2k won, but all and all the evos placed better
http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/Fil...ur-ftmyers.pdf
I will give it to you there are a **** load of S2ks, but the evo still won
http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/Fil...totour-sun.pdf

These are just a few of the national events that can be found on the scca website all showing the same thing

 
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YOU are the one who put words into my mouth deriving "newer" vettes from my statement. YOU are the one who took "vettes that run in A-stock" to mean anything other than C4 vettes. Get a clue before you "argue" or, oh wait that's right "correct me" like I would have "corrected you".

 
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in the 1st link, the S2000's in B-stock are faster than the EVOs in A-stock.

on the 2nd link the S2000 runs faster than the EVO.

the 3rd link is the only one where the EVO was faster.

again, argue all you want. unless you convince me you know more than zzyzx, you can take your argument out the door.

 
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those are just the 1st three results that I looked at. I can sit here all day and post similar results. And in either case S2k "DOMINATE A stock" as you would say?? Far from my friend

 
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Keeping in mind that I have only looked through the three results that I posted I would chanllenge anyone to look through any of the results and show me where the S2K "dominates" A-stock
http://www.scca.com/Solo/NationalTour.asp

 
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the vettes have dominated A-stock for several years. The S2000's are now giving them a run for their money. Not only have I said this, but so has zzyzx. The EVO/STI are not. This doesn't mean you won't ever see the EVO win an event.

 
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a major national event. meaning you'll get a very good, larger pool of drivers. notice you have to go to 12th place before you even get to an STi and 24th place for the first EVO. meanwhile, S2000's porsche 993's and vettes dominate the top 10.
http://ww2.scca.com/soloresults.php?ID=13

 
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hey ive been reading this and can we agree that each car has its advantages and disadvantages? i don't mean to get in the middle but this is a moot arguement.

 
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ok that is 2004 what about 2003
http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/Fil...oNationals.pdf

My point is that the S2k does not dominate anything except maybe you dreams and as MajinB said they both have advatages and disadvantages