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Old Mar 16, 2005
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How Much Can You Handle?

This for those who doubted guns setup, or how much boost the the stock bottom end can handle...

Here is it @ 17psi! this dyno run was done the week before he sold it...

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And heres some misc pics of his car I found digging through my hd...





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Do you have the one vid of his when he beat the yellow stang? I've been wanting to see that one again but I never saved it.
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my lawd! is he runnin stock internals? IM?, FI? how much HP on that run?
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2 Questions.

How much alchy and/or methanol was used in the session?

What octane?
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I have no idea what yellow mustang you are talking about, there is one where he spanked a mustang gt on nitrous that i do have tho...

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ok he put down his biggest numbers on that run, 250.4hp...




Im not sure of the exact amount of alcohol he was spraying...

To the best of my knowledge he was just running on 92 octane pump gas, possibly crappier gas than that but deff not race gas or anything...
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Ohhh ok, thats the vid I was talking about, but I guess I was thinking it was yellow because yellow is the color of the stang that Iceburgslim took down, now that I remember. BTW, thanks for that vid, I spent forever looking for it.
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Originally Posted by Fiji-Steve
This for those who doubted guns setup, or how much boost the the stock bottom end can handle...
it might handle it for a while.... but do you think 17psi on stock internals is going to last that long?
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No, that's why he only took it for a few runs and let it peak that high.
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the stock head gasket wont, as guns can tell you, and tell you, and tell you...thats 3 of them he blew...lol

but the actual bottom end held up fine, maybe we are not giving the motor enough credit...
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maybe me and guns can further test that once i decide to blow my bitch up...
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Guns said that when he traded or got rid of his car or sometihng that the shop said the bottom end was becomming weak lol! uh oh!
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When did he say this? I don't remember hearing that from him?
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Meh it was in a thread a while ago, like when he sold his car or traded it in or whatever.. how long ago was that?
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i was thinking the same, hes my roommate, he would have told me...
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Meh maybe it wasen't him but I heard something from someone heh. I got alzheimers already! Someone order me a beer! lol :d'oh:
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w00t, someone get that man a beer!
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you cant tell anything in that mustang vid...i was hoping to see the numbers....not doubting that he won, just wanted to see the numbers, and was that 1/8 mile track....what was his best in the 1/4
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250whp on 17psi? Many members have made 200whp on only 8psi... something is wrong there or he was using a very small turbo. If he was using a small turbo, that would make sense, but it would have to be something like a k18 or k20 turbo. 17psi out of a t03/04b turbo or a t3 super 60 turbo would be a lot closer to 325 or more whp.

Besides, it's not boost that blows a motor, it's power. 250whp is well within what the stock block can take. The limit seems to be around 300whp with proper tuning and fuel.
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i believe he was running on a T25 turbo, but correct me if i'm wrong someone...
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17psi, 250hp, and a 14.5:1 A/F ratio on a FI motor....

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HOLY 14.5:1 someone better break out the hazmat suits!
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lol........ i pitty the person who bought his car
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OK to clear up several things the 250whp dyno was at 14psi. The 17psi spike was when I was adjusting the manual boost controller. I kept it around 10-12psi and turned it up to high when I aimed for 14psi.

Also I was spraying alot of pure methanol. If you look into methanol it does not run at the same a/f as 92 octane. Good luck figuring it out. But it held. Stock injectors can only get pushed so hard by an FMU. WIth more fuel and running richer I should have hit 300whp at that 17psi.

The head gasket problem was solved by using a two tripple layer head gaskets. Yes I blow mine three times before I decided to double up. The extra headgasket lowered the compression slightly.

The bottom end was ok. But I was not feeling good about it. No appearent problems. But I did not want to continue the abuse. I was supposed to have a DH built block but that never happend.

The video was at the 1/8th mile track. My best quarter was 13.8sec spinning through third gear on 17" street tires. I had a major traction problem. 15's with drag radials should have fixed it.

Too anyone thinking of boosting and have $$$ then go emanage with a return fuel system. Anyone else on a budget. Get a SF fuel system and spray methanol.

Too all the haters, suck a pole. Call me when you are running 20psi in a R33 or 14psi daily on a SR20.
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w00t. nice guns, very nice... i knew we kept you around for something...
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w00t. nice guns, very nice... i knew we kept you around for something...
My civic was a toy that a learned on. At some point I wanted more and did not want to sink more money into a FWD car. My next option on the civic was bigger turbo, 3" piping all around, bigger FMIC, bigger throttle body, return fuel system and emanage.

Well with that I could have hit 300whp. BUt the trany would have gone to crap. then it would have been more money to make it bullet proof.

So instead of dropping more hard earned money into what might have been a 12sec car, I bought a Skyline and a 240sx. One for show and track and one for a beater.

To anyone with a D17. VAFC2 is not a good tool to run with turbo. WHen you take out fuel it starts to advance the timing. Also methanol is not safe to run. I used it as a saftey net to prevent detonation. On the good side the D17s are cheap and if you blow it up you can find them complete on ebay for $450.
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Well, maybe you can help me out and stage7 will soon have a 300whp D17.
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^^Your tranny will go when you get above 300 whp
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^^Your tranny will go when you get above 300 whp
restating the aformentioned is awsome...
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It was mentioned in here? whoops lol my fault
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