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Old Mar 10, 2005
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Long year for BAR/Honda in F1

Seems like it is going to be a long year in F1 for BAR/Honda. Hopefully they can fix the car a little, even the drivers are not happy with the car. At least Renault had a good start.
Here's what one of the driver's had to say:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/4336283.stm
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I want to work on that team someday... not as a driver, but as an engine maker or something.

I always root for Bar-Honda whenever I see them on tv.
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Hope Bar-Honda can pull through this year
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is anyone here goin to see the race on june?
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Yeah these cars are pretty touchy, its difficult to have a one of at optimal every race.
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as long as Ferrari loses for once - not just a race, but the constructor's cup - I will be overjoyed. It's not that I hate the big red F, I'd just like to see more competition in F1. Whether it's Renault or BAR, or, heck, even Williams or McLaren, I don't care.
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You may not like Ferrari, but there is no spending cap on F1. Ferrari is more committed to F1 than anyone. That's only reason they build cars for the public, to pay for F1. Don't get me wrong, I root for BAR or Williams, but Ferrari will continue to win until the others get serious. They are the 'Yankees' of racing.

Oh yeah, Ferrari is still running last years car. The other teams will probably win till Spain, then it will be lights out. And don't bring up the fact that Sauber is already using Ferrari's 2005 engine, they just don't have the entire package like Ferrari (management, crew and drivers).

I love Speed Channel, and their coverage of F1, WRC, and the rest of the REAL (road track) racing.
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yeah, speed channel's one of the main reasons i miss cable TV. but the idiot box was rotting my brain...
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Speed channel seems to do a lot more Nascar now-a-days...
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http://www.barhondaf1.com/lang_select.php just in case no one knows but it

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http://www.barhondaf1.com/en/index.php?section=25 i want this in my vic
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a bit off topic.. anyone know wut size are those rims? i mean the ones on the f1 car... they actually sell em

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Originally Posted by h0nd4_r1c3r_X
a bit off topic.. anyone know wut size are those rims? i mean the ones on the f1 car... they actually sell em
I read somewhere that the size of F1 rims are like 10-12", pretty small, and obviously really wiiide. If you want rims similar to the McLaren-Mercedes car, look at the Enkei RPf1.

Check out regulations on F1 wheels and tyres (those Brits and theyr spellyng )

The link would help
http://formula1.com/insight/rulesandregs/14/498.html

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Ferrari has Shumacker, who is a sick driver no one can push the car to the limit like he can.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Ferrari has Shumacker, who is a sick driver no one can push the car to the limit like he can.
i could if they'd just let me try
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I knew they would be off pace from the winter testing times. The team to watch this year is Red Bull just like it was BAR last year. Hopefully BAR can get pace, but it seems right now firing David Richards was a bad idea.
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which team is the one that uses a ferrari engines from previous year ferraris?
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Originally Posted by nindoo
which team is the one that uses a ferrari engines from previous year ferraris?
No body does, Sauber is the team that uses Ferrari engines but they use the 2005 spec engines, hell they are using the new engine and Ferrari is using the 2004 engine, Sauber is Ferraris test mule Sauber used to use the last year Ferrari motor supplied by Petronas, but as of last year they are using the current spec motors do to a rule change...one of the many.

And on the whole engine suplier, Red Bull racing will more than likely be getting Honda power next year, another team to route for

edit: And btw to anyone that watched the race how funny where the pit stops? 3 guys with actual jobs to do and 17 other guys just standing around looking at the tires

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BAR will never be as great as Ferrari, and as long as Schumacher and his dream team remain at Ferrari it will remain a Ferrari championship. All these new rules have been introduced into f1 to slow ferrari down, because teams like Toyota, Mclaren, Honda and BMW are not doing there job to catch up. It is there job to catch the champions, not slow them down with bs rules.
And I will be at the race in Montreal this June, for the 9th time in a row...Gold seats, Grand stand 1, across from the Pit area....Can't wait.
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Originally Posted by SmiteSwift
I read somewhere that the size of F1 rims are like 10-12", pretty small, and obviously really wiiide. If you want rims similar to the McLaren-Mercedes car, look at the Enkei RPf1.

Check out regulations on F1 wheels and tyres (those Brits and theyr spellyng )

The link would help
http://formula1.com/insight/rulesandregs/14/498.html
F1 rims are 13", actually
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Originally Posted by SmiteSwift
I read somewhere that the size of F1 rims are like 10-12", pretty small, and obviously really wiiide. If you want rims similar to the McLaren-Mercedes car, look at the Enkei RPf1.

Check out regulations on F1 wheels and tyres (those Brits and theyr spellyng )

The link would help
http://formula1.com/insight/rulesandregs/14/498.html
Originally Posted by Majarvis
F1 rims are 13", actually
thanks if only they were bigger

but its 365 millimeters = 14.3700787 inch

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Originally Posted by h0nd4_r1c3r_X
thanks if only they were bigger
You wouldn't want them much bigger than that on a car that size and of that weight (600kg). The regulations don't allow anything larger than that, but engineers have said if un-regulated, they wouldn't go any larger than 15" because anything larger would add too much un-sprung weight and performance loss would begin. Also, when you see those cars bounding over the curbs as they do, the sidewalls act as a secondary suspension and flex a great deal to allow them to go over the curbs at such high speeds. Anything with a lower-profile tire and they would begin to skip as they crash back down from curb jumping, and would un-settle the car too much.
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Originally Posted by h0nd4_r1c3r_X
thanks if only they were bigger

but its 365 millimeters = 14.3700787 inch
Actually, you misread the regulations found here:
http://www.formula1.com/insight/rule...gs/14/498.html

Formula One cars must have four, uncovered wheels, all made of the same metallic material. Front wheels must be between 305 and 355mm wide, the rears between 365 and 380mm.

With tyres fitted the wheels must be no more than 660mm in diameter (670mm with wet-weather tyres). Measurements are taken with tyres inflated to 1.4 bar.
Note it says the width must be between 365 and 380mm, not the "size" or diameter of the wheel itself (not including the tire).
I cannot seem to find a link which specifies the wheel or "rim" diameter regulations, but I can clearly recal 13" being mentioned on numerous ocasions on TV and books.
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Originally Posted by varmin
as long as Ferrari loses for once - not just a race, but the constructor's cup - I will be overjoyed. It's not that I hate the big red F, I'd just like to see more competition in F1. Whether it's Renault or BAR, or, heck, even Williams or McLaren, I don't care.

Why hate on Ferrari, there where they are not becasue of cheating but by dedication, if it wernt for them other companies would not work so hard and some of the technology we have today may not have been created.
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